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What a sad country America is so rapidly becoming.

Big business! etc.

What would be good is to find out how Trump manipulated idiotic voters so easily. I mean, can you imagine ever trusting that chap? Some did!

and some will continue to do so. lol
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Who the hell voted on this clown?
sadly, quite a few around you im sure.
and also, in this forum :(
 
P.S. Illegal doesn't always mean bad. It's illegal to speak your mind, depending on what you have to say, in some countries, including what seems to be most of Europe.

This is atrocious logic, to say the least.
Do you have any evidence to support your claim about Europe?
 
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You don't seem to understand how the Internet works. You shouldn't comment on things you don't know about.

At the very least, you shouldn't get your news from right-wing sources. You should only get your news from left-wing sources, since right-wing media is designed to prey on the fears of the ignorant. That's because conservatives generally have a brain designed around fear, instead of rationality. Right-wing media sources know that, and so they constantly inject you with fear-driven paranoia. This is why you probably think Muslims are more dangerous than white gun owners. Or why you think government should spend more money to stop terrorism than cancer & heart disease, even though no one dies from terrorism, and 600,000 people die from cancer and heart disease each year.

Hey cowboy , please explain to me how the internet works then please. Don't need a large manual, just what I've stated that incorrect. Thanks in advance.

I don't get my news from right wing sources. I got this story from here, but then I dug into it a little bit. As others have also pointed out, the story is tainted.

Fear instead of rationality ? Have you read the posts in this thread ? It's the libs that are running around screaming the sky is falling, the right are just trying to explain it, and laughing.

Just have dangerous are white gun owners. Can you give me some numbers ? Only whites now. No others.

People die all over the world, everyday, from Islamic Muslim terrorist. To say otherwise is an out an out lie and an insult to the victims families.

Just out of curiosity, who much money is spent a year on cancer treatment and heart disease ? How much is spent fighting the war on terror. How much did the Dems spend on the war ? How much should we spend on both.

Heart disease is preventable, great strides have been made in the treatment of cancer (and MS). But they don't enclose long term use of hyper-expensive drugs, so we won't see it in the US, until we drain the swamp.

Anyway, I've had enough. The cherry blossoms are in bloom. Enjoy...
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This is atrocious logic, to say the least.
Do you have any evidence to support your claim about Europe?

Oh, he's probably talking about hate speech – racists are crying about "freedom of speech" when they want to spread lies about refugees or muslims (and also when people argue with them, which is completely beside the point). Inciting violence against a group of people or spreading malignant rumors which will probably lead to violence or persecution are punishable by law in most European countries.

The thing is, the government does not prevent anyone from saying these things, they just judge you if you do. So you have free speech but you are able to commit crimes with it. Just like you are not prevented from owning knives but if you threaten or attack a human with one, you will commit a crime.

Bottom line, if you threaten someone or someones with speech, you are committing a crime.
 
Why don't they just install a tracking device on our phones, tablets, and computers to make it more easier for them?
 
Guys, and yet again, most here are missing the point. Data storage is one thing. One can talk about potential privacy issues etc. and arguing it one way or another. However, selling personal data such as browsing histories etc. is a very different beast. Again, there are techniques that allow one to create a fairly complete psychological profile based on this data. If your patterns are sold to a private company, that company will with high reliability know what kind of person you are, what kind of music you listen to, what kind of things you like, what are your political preferences and many other things that even YOU might not know. Modern psychology models are that good. What does this mean? Targeted advertisement, targeted product placement, targeted political propaganda, manipulation of public opinion. You will get exactly the information that is designed to change YOUR and nobody else mind. People will money control everything. This is the real-world version of the Matrix. There is a good reason why Trump makes these changes.

I know this might sound a bit crazy to some, but as a researcher who works with data and moves close to cognitive psychology field, I am really worried about the potential abuse these situations can bring. Big data is a great thing — it can make our lives easier and help humanity achieve greater things. But it abused, it can also create fairly scary social circumstances.
 
All excellent points. My big issue is #7. I'm still not sure who to trust. I've been using PIA for a while, and they seem fairly decent. But, there's always a small part of my brain saying, "Can you trust the VPN?"

I use NordVPN.
Can I trust a VPN service, at least the connection in between me and them is secure, but you never can trust the endpoint, for instance if I connect to an email service they know who I am.

#4: Yep. OS X supports VPN out of the box, but all these VPN services for some reason make you install some stupid software instead of just giving you the L2TP credentials. Ticks me off. (BTW, not trying to do anything illegal, just wanted to have a virtual LAN for connecting computers across the Internet.)

#7: Why would anyone trust any VPN more than an ISP? It's a really flawed model; you just take your trust out of the ISP and put it all into the VPN! It's even worse because they have a user base purely of people who seem to have something to hide, vs an ISP that's serving tons of mostly innocent data that's hard to sift through real-time. Easy to see who has what incentives here. And, if anything, the VPN service can more easily get away with screwing you over somehow... or letting hackers screw you over, keeping in mind you're on a virtual LAN with them. Well, this goes back to #1.

Your best bet if you're doing anything illegal (but not illegal enough to draw too much attention) is probably an onion router like Tor.

P.S. Illegal doesn't always mean bad. It's illegal to speak your mind, depending on what you have to say, in some countries, including what seems to be most of Europe.

TOR without a VPN service is not recommended.
Do I trust a VPN service, well, it's better than nothing, I also use ad blockers-JS-Blocker and Little Snitch.

Work for Apple to do then. If they want to do this, I'd suggest setting up servers all around the USA, and letting all MacOS and iOS users automatically use VPN to connect to the nearest available server, if they don't want to compete with traditional VPN providers that have more features. And then extending it to other countries. Until VPN becomes illegal, as it is already in some countries.


There are two kinds of VPN providers: Those that keep logs, and those that lie.

Actually, I think the whole internet should be made much more secure than it is now, Https is a beginning but it should be made so that nobody can intercept and decode the data.
 
The irony being the the big baby complains about some made up intrusion of his privacy but then signs an order giving away everyone's private data. The hypcrisy stinks like a bad trump wafting through the air
 
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It was said that micro-targeting is what won Trump the election. There was a whole article about what Jared "brought" to the table in regards to the election.

This is simply a bad move. And rolling back net-neutrality. Sometimes I can't figure out if Trump is hell-bent on just undoing Obama's legacy out of spite or if he just wants to corporatize the US.

In either event - I hope that if this all passes and comes into effect, that Trump and his corporation are burned by his own policies.
 
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Why the hell is he so stupid?

Actually Donald Trump is smart. A very smart con-man. The ones not so smart are those that he fooled, those that he conned. Those that voted for him.
Worst president ever. You should be ashamed of yourself if you voted for him.

Did you notice that most of the Trump-defenders are ashamed to post into this thread? I mean, they are all over the place in all the other Trump-vs-Democrats threads in PRSI. But here, they hardly are in any capacity to defend this stupid GOP legislation. In other words, they know that their Orange POTUS supports this moronic piece of legislation, and they really cannot say anything in his defense. Another way to interpret it: they are embarrassed that Trump is doing something stupid like this.
 
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Did you notice that most of the Trump-defenders are ashamed to post into this thread? I mean, they are all over the place in all the other Trump-vs-Democrats threads in PRSI. But here, they hardly are in any capacity to defend this stupid GOP legislation. In other words, they know that their Orange POTUS supports this moronic piece of legislation, and they really cannot say anything in his defense. Another way to interpret it: they are embarrassed that Trump is doing something stupid like this.

I'm quoting myself but:

Obama was in office for eight years, his broadband policy was proposed last October. That is October 2016. For the previous seven years of his administration the law, and your on-line privacy rights, was exactly the same as it is now. Trump has returned it to the status quo. Did anyone here campaign for greater privacy rights pre-October 2016? I doubt it very much. I'm guessing no-one cared then and are only finding out about it now and are somehow twisting it as something Trump introduced just so they've got another reason to hate him.

Let me reiterate, pre-October 2016 the ISP's could, and did, do all that they can do now. This is not new.
 
You don't seem to understand how the Internet works. You shouldn't comment on things you don't know about.

At the very least, you shouldn't get your news from right-wing sources. You should only get your news from left-wing sources, since right-wing media is designed to prey on the fears of the ignorant. That's because conservatives generally have a brain designed around fear, instead of rationality. Right-wing media sources know that, and so they constantly inject you with fear-driven paranoia. This is why you probably think Muslims are more dangerous than white gun owners. Or why you think government should spend more money to stop terrorism than cancer & heart disease, even though no one dies from terrorism, and 600,000 people die from cancer and heart disease each year.
So when are you guys going to impeach this latest republican idiot?
I may not be American but come on, we've got dumb conservatives too (and yes a dumb population that googles "what is the EU", after voting us OUT OF THE EU!) but ours are at least somewhat tolerable. Yours are downright dangerous morons and everyone in the entire world knows it except you! This guy is meant to be the leader of the 'free' world, and he's making us all less free, less safe, and less of a nice place to be.

So theres my 'two cents' as you say across the pond. Impeach him. Because everything this guy does, doesn't just affect the US, its affects everyone else too. Hence my little rant.

Ok, rant over. Get rid of this spoiled child! STOP VOTING IDIOTS PRESIDENT!

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Posts like these are part of the problem and why Trump won and Brexit happened.
 
I'm quoting myself but:

Obama was in office for eight years, his broadband policy was proposed last October. That is October 2016. For the previous seven years of his administration the law, and your on-line privacy rights, was exactly the same as it is now. Trump has returned it to the status quo. Did anyone here campaign for greater privacy rights pre-October 2016? I doubt it very much. I'm guessing no-one cared then and are only finding out about it now and are somehow twisting it as something Trump introduced just so they've got another reason to hate him.

Let me reiterate, pre-October 2016 the ISP's could, and did, do all that they can do now. This is not new.

The difference is the the web and technology 8 years ago vs today is dramatically different. Focus on the present. Arguing about concerns over the past seems as a means to deflect.
 
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I'm quoting myself but:

Obama was in office for eight years, his broadband policy was proposed last October. That is October 2016. For the previous seven years of his administration the law, and your on-line privacy rights, was exactly the same as it is now. Trump has returned it to the status quo. Did anyone here campaign for greater privacy rights pre-October 2016? I doubt it very much. I'm guessing no-one cared then and are only finding out about it now and are somehow twisting it as something Trump introduced just so they've got another reason to hate him.

Let me reiterate, pre-October 2016 the ISP's could, and did, do all that they can do now. This is not new.
Also, only one provision went into effect on January 1, 2017, one was stayed by the FCC on March 1st, and the rest would go into effect by December of 2017.

The goal of the current FCC commission is that the FTC be responsible.
 
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As someone outside of the USA who could see Trump was going to be elected while those around me were incredulous. I was able to do that by classing MSM as pure and simple disinfo/propaganda (don't forget Obama made it legal for American citizens to be propagandised since 2012).

I'm outside the US so am I use to the propaganda which has always been present.

I think the MSM daily hysteria around Trump is beyond reasonable, it's, well hysterical. Watch their sales collapse in many respects. It's as if people only tuned into politics with popular idol Obama and their first taste of politics was like buying your first boyband album. What could go wrong?

People need to stick around for awhile (at least 2 decades watching), you will eventually figure out how power play works and see patterns and learn the game that passes for civil society.

Also to even let your mood or choices be dictated by third parties so easily (for their profit not yours) by the mere presence of the hysteria msm is in my view a grave error.

Stop watching (traditional broadcast) TV for at least 5 years, it would be doubtful you will want to go back...

I don't buy whatever the MSM tries to sell especially when it's wrapped in the paper of FEAR, it's damaged goods.

It was so obvious in the lead up to the global housing crash of '06-08 how the game was weighted against the average reader or consumer. You didn't stand a chance if you accept blindly that which was being beamed into your noodle.

Though I am not fully appraised of the issue at hand. I do live in a country that was one of the first to legislate so that ISP's had to log and capture all user data and store for x amount of time and that's been going on for nearly a decade now. I don't agree with it but I am less free than you citizens of the United Satets of America. It's important to know your limits so you have context.

Personally I have NO IDEA (rhetorically speaking of course!) why so many Americans are out protesting against their own rights, I mean seriously... I don't know of any other nation on earth that has the protections and freedom as does your constitution and especially like the 1st Amendment, 2nd & 5th Amendment right to name but some.

It's so sad but also wonderful to say at least those who live in the United States of America have the closest thing to Freedom of anyone in a organised society and state on the planet.

Do not allow it be undermined by the hysteria of the daily media and political dog and pony shows.

You constitution is as beautiful as it's get for now.

Use it or lose it!

If you've been watching TV or on social media, you've heard that “Republicans are going to let Internet providers sell your browser history.”

It’s not true. Not even close.

What’s really happening is that a corrupt Google power grab from the Obama administration is being overturned.

Here’s the real history.

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) until 2015 was the cop on the beat for Internet privacy, data security, and consumer protection broadly. The FTC had a well-developed framework that treated all the players the same way — Internet Service Providers (ISPs), search, advertising networks, and social media companies.

That all changed when the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) voted on a 3-2 party-line vote to adopt Barack Obama’s plan to regulate the Internet like a public utility.

That vote pre-empted the FTC’s jurisdiction and stripped Internet users of consumer protections — deliberately creating a vacuum which could then be used to shift the focus of the privacy debate to ISPs, taking the heat off Google, which has vastly more access to personal data.

- See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/...acy-vote-is-really-about#sthash.MBo0mbVB.dpuf
 
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The difference is the the web and technology 8 years ago vs today is dramatically different. Focus on the present. Arguing about concerns over the past seems as a means to deflect.
What's different now apart from we now know what was always happening?
 
Obama just looked into people secretly. This is better and more open and honest about what's really going on. Unless you fall for the crap politicians say vs what they actually do.

They were monitoring foreign targets. Apparently, some Trump officials were in communication, or the foreign national targets started talking about them. In such cases, it's completely the point of having an espionage service that the identities of these people were looked at. You know there's an FBI investigation going on about possible collusion by members of the Trump administration with the Russian hacking of our election. That's not a partisan issue. A foreign adversary screwed with our election. Are you patriotic?
 
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This doesn't make any sense, but like so much coming out of the White House and Congress, this looks more like a sellout of We The People, and a petty way to attack Obama, America's First Black President.

It must have burned the GOP to the core that a black man beat them TWICE in elections, and did so quite decidedly.

Which is also rather ironic, considering that Obama was largely a failure as a 'democrat' president. Wall Street ran over everything, and even though being 'black', and a minority, attention to those societal issues was muted to almost nonexistence. He did more for the .1% than his predecessor did, and the attacks on him never stopped. So now we have a 'reality TV president' who couldn't be more ignorant about how government should work, but is well versed in showering himself with money and adoration.

I weep for the future of this country. And I don't want to consider who would be next out of the GOP for president. They have lowered the bar so low, I wonder if there is *ANYONE* that would be unsuitable for candidate.

We will be sold, poisoned, threatened, further divided, goaded, harassed, beaten, imprisoned, used, by this administration and the people that hold the leash of congress and the president. People say this is 'Nixonian', but it's far more than 'Orwellian'...

Don't ask how much worse it's going to get. This isn't even his first 100 days! He's just getting started. In four years we won't recognize this country.

And his 'base' is going to take the worst of all of it. Fitting I suppose.
 
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They were monitoring foreign targets. Apparently, some Trump officials were in communication, or the foreign national targets started talking about them. In such cases, it's completely the point of having an espionage service that the identities of these people were looked at. You know there's an FBI investigation going on about possible collusion by members of the Trump administration with the Russian hacking of our election. That's not a partisan issue. A foreign adversary screwed with our election. Are you patriotic?

I remember Ronald Reagan saying 'Better dead than red'. That was 'Saint Ronny Reagan', who today's hypocritical politicians claim to revere. Now it seems it's far 'better to be red than have a woman president'. Amazing how far America has been dragged into the gutter. But keep watching Fox News. You don't need to know that you have been sold out by the pound to a ruthless country so a reality TV star can shower corporate America with even more money and power. Sleep well...
 
What's different now apart from we now know what was always happening?

Using your example - that's a big difference. If you're not aware of what was happening then, naturally if you know now - you'd be concerned. Not the best example if you're trying to prove that case.
 
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