Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Presidential Candidate Elizabeth Warren's Plan to 'Break Up' Big Tech Companies Could Affect Apple's App Store
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
I mean I suppose the only one that can "check" these businesses is the government(s) under which these businesses operate. But good luck finding some politicians willing to sign a bill that is -- in every sense of the word -- completely and 100% for the good of the people with absolutely no ulterior motive.
It's a catch-22 every where you turn.
Can't argue that!
Let's be honest. Many politicians barely know what actually makes the economy turn. They just know how to spin things in a way to get votes and stay in power longer.I guess no one told her that Amazon carries products from third party sellers and has done so for years? - There are thousands of small businesses thriving by selling goods on Amazon, many of them don't even make the products they sell on Amazon but use it as an extension of their physical locations or to maximise their warehouse space.
She's running for president you would think she would have a team around her that would tell her these kinds of ideas to break up all these companies isn't a good thing to put out there. People don't like government meddling in business, this is the sort of thing you do once you're already in and they can't remove you for a few years. Politics 101
If only we could get someone in office from the private sector that has years of experience in international business...
**My views are my own and I'm not implying that that's what you were getting at.
Thankfully. The current field of politicians are all disgraceful and extreme. Look the left. If you aren’t AOC, Pelosi, Waters, or any other fringe left member, you aren’t getting any where with the Democrats. The only one worth looking at is Andrew Yang.The problem with this (like privatising Government organisations) is that you end up creating many, many more overpaid CEOs & managers who all need their big fat paychecks. The only people that really suffer are the users (and society).
Like most things, it ‘sounds like a good idea’. Here’s a better idea - overhaul your archaic tax system, pay a decent wage for workers (and get rid of that tipping nonsense).
Like most things, it ‘sounds like a good idea’. Here’s a better idea - overhaul your archaic tax system, pay a decent wage for workers (and get rid of that tipping nonsense).
Did NOT think the orange Cheeto in chief had so many Apple fans.
Slightly wrong topic at the definitively wrong time.
I‘d like to see Apple and Google not fighting each other as giants with us having to look out for debris. And I do think that there parts can be made to compete and be availaible for all platforms and providers, say internet services, OS, HW.
Stiil, many will argue that their small businesses conveniently depend on one of the larger eco systems, so it might not be a good topic for these „save our world from Donald Golfcourse“ times.
( I know, the reason for his name change campaign was to be called Donald Pres..., nah can‘ do)
Also, Uncle Tim tells us that the strength of Apple is... to be strong! Who‘d thought. And who profits? (next term question)
I‘d like to see Apple and Google not fighting each other as giants with us having to look out for debris. And I do think that there parts can be made to compete and be availaible for all platforms and providers, say internet services, OS, HW.
Stiil, many will argue that their small businesses conveniently depend on one of the larger eco systems, so it might not be a good topic for these „save our world from Donald Golfcourse“ times.
( I know, the reason for his name change campaign was to be called Donald Pres..., nah can‘ do)
Also, Uncle Tim tells us that the strength of Apple is... to be strong! Who‘d thought. And who profits? (next term question)
You gotta be sneaky and diabolical going about this. Just as those at the rose to be. You can’t be a Bond villain and lay it all out before you do it.
But I do agree. Monopolistic indeed.
But I do agree. Monopolistic indeed.
While it’s seems like a great idea, not just in the tech industry, the monopoly ship has sailed. It is ridiculous that the government has allow all these massive mergers/buyouts. Think about what just Disney and AT&T owns how about Sinclair owning “local” news in half of the biggest cities in America. Was AT&T the last company that was broken up? They sure are moving towards another monopoly but our feckless government only cares about being in government not actually governing!
Just friendly conversation here. I'm curious as to what you think, as a Democrat, about some of the radical policies that have been thrown around over the past couple of months? Like the Green New Deal, et. al?
People should read more about this. Warren is extremely pro-capitalism, which separates her from some of the other candidates. Her view, which is based heavily on economic science, is that capitalism works much better when there is more competition, that competition is increased when there are more small players (as opposed to fewer large ones), and that competition is reduced where large players have excessive control over multiple market segments (e.g., content and the distribution of content).
Not too long ago, her proposal wouldn't have seemed too radical, but we've been letting big companies get bigger for quite a while. And it's not too hard to see how problems could be created when giants like Amazon (or Apple, for that matter) control both content and content distribution mechanisms, or how meaningful competition can dry up when a single company has too much control over anything.
Not too long ago, her proposal wouldn't have seemed too radical, but we've been letting big companies get bigger for quite a while. And it's not too hard to see how problems could be created when giants like Amazon (or Apple, for that matter) control both content and content distribution mechanisms, or how meaningful competition can dry up when a single company has too much control over anything.
I'm not the person you quoted but I don't have a problem with it. The actual bill. Not the fakes that have been circulating out there. I just don't see it as radical. From what I have read thus far.
What did you expect from her. These sort of policies are very much in character for her and the New Democrat Socialist's Party. Always have been.
[doublepost=1552073585][/doublepost]
Democrats are against anything big that isn't big government or competes for influence over big government unless they are for Democrat Socialism. And, make no mistake, all large companies will eventually move against Democrat Socialism unless they are benefiting from it.
To reword Sen. Warren, here’s what REALLY NEEDS TO change:
- States would have a fair shot to have their people represented first in DC with the fear of the DNC or RNC pushing back on their business.
- Parties wouldn’t smother states by demoting their interests in political platforms.
- Congress would face real pressure from state governments and voters to improve budgeting and transparency.
- Registered voters would have a fighting chance to eliminate special interests and big donors.
In other words, DC (Warren and all) are supremely hypocritical in their finger pointing at the private sector. Clean your own house before micromanaging others (not that they don't need it to varying degrees)
Restore governance to a 50 state + territories system and eliminate two-party system and its gridlock (hardly able to call that 'two party rule') by:
- Requiring Congressional delegations from each state to caucus together on issues and determine how to best represent their state instead of selling out to a party,
- Requiring representatives to only accept campaign contributions from citizens of their state or business, organizations, etc. that have an established physical presence in their district or state (as defined by each state, not the Federal bureaucracy) - and further, eliminate any and all contributions from outside the USA.
- Spending less than you make instead of this bi-partisan ballooning of the national debt which WILL take it all down sooner than later,
- Passing/ratifying a 12/24 term limit amendment to the Constitution: You may serve up to 12 years in either house of Congress or as President and a maximum of 24 years total in DC (House, Senate, President, Vice-President), PERIOD;
- Including in that amendment a change to the term of House members from two years to four, staggering state elections so that half (or half +1 / -1) are voted every two years, and
- Honoring the 10th Amendment in the Constitution and let the states regulate their own matters first,
It'd be a decent start to cleaning up Washington and give our government credibility in regulating our nation, businesses and organizations.
PS: States should also be permitted (and I believe the are already) to pass laws forbidding former federal representatives of their state from being hired as a lobbyist for a foreign entity or for-profit organization.
Last edited:
Warren has been part of Big Government for years and Big Government has allowed Big Corp to expand. She has been part of the problem. What's coming out of her mouth is campaign rhetoric.
I gotcha. I'll admit that I haven't combed through it myself and actually dug very deep into it. Mostly just the cow fart headlines, as well as a little research here are there. Ha.
Do you think some of goals, like shifting to 100% renewable energy or completely moving away from I.C.E. cars are actually plausible? It's not a question if it's good -- as a Republican that loves this beautiful earth, I totally wish that we could move to 100% natural energy -- it's a question of "How?" In a ten year time frame? Who? Where's the money going to come from?
And, again just a curious question, what are your views on the hypothetical 70% tax on the ultra-wealthy? You aren't concerned that those folks will simply take their money and leave? Who would want their money taken from them? I wouldn't!
[doublepost=1552074442][/doublepost]
While I may disagree with her on many things, I wish more Democratic candidates were like her in this regard!
Trump is going to win re-election. No strong contender from our side and I’m not on Sanders camp. I don’t care for a lot of the new green deal and don’t care for free everything.