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lmao look at it now buddy,
Record-low unemployment for hispanics and blacks, strong GDP, rising wages. Sorry, what was your point?

Thus lies the difference between actual and perceived reality. Just because YOU feel targeted by the president and feel that the world is crashing down as a result, doesn't mean that you actually are targeted or that the world is crashing down. Just some food for thought.
 
Just like Hillary :D
It's called social acceptance. People didn't want to admit they were voting for trump, they felt ashamed. So they lied to the pollsters and it looked completely opposite of what happened.
Same thing happened in a small town in California decades ago. A black man became mayor but the polls said the other guy would win in a landslide. People didn't want to say they voted for a black guy so the polls were wrong.

To get the truth look at online search terms. People don't lie when they're searching for something. It's very telling. And disturbing.
 
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Warren has already proven to be completely crazy with her whole Indian heritage thing. Pretending to be an Indian, making Indian Recipes, saying that her race is "Indian" on her lawyer application. My Grandmother immigrated from Cuba in the 20's. I am 25% Cuban. I'd never identify as "Cuban". She claims her great great grandmother had high cheek bones and she claims shes "Indian". Come on! This lady is a nut job through and through. Don't get me started on the whole beer thing.

As far as Democrats go and wanting to break up everything... can Democrats ever propose actual good solutions? They just go around blaming everyone for their crappy life?! Why not get off your ass and do something, like start a business and get to work. Stop being victims! So tired of their crap.
 
It's called social acceptance. People didn't want to admit they were voting for trump, they felt ashamed. So they lied to the pollsters and it looked completely opposite of what happened.
Same thing happened in a small town in California decades ago. A black man became mayor but the polls said the other guy would win in a landslide. People didn't want to say they voted for a black guy so the polls were wrong.

To get the truth look at online search terms. People don't lie when they're searching for something. It's very telling. And disturbing.
Whatever the reason the polls had it wrong.
 
Not using facebook doesn't avoid facebook. They are collecting data on you even if you don't have a facebook account. Quitting facebook does not stop facebook from doing what they are already doing. Their hands are in too much as well. More than you realize. And facebook is only one example. The others are worse.

It would not matter if they collected data. They would have no one to sell advertising to and no one to sell business use to and therefore no company.

As for the collection, sure "stop using Facebook" might mean not using some Android phones that collect data behind the scenes, some websites that require Facebook logins (which I never use anyway), etc. It's still possible and easy if there is the will. In addition, if Facebook were fading fast under this scenario, then other companies would pull back providing them the data. That is the power of capitalism. The people get to decide.

With the government IT IS NOT possible under any circumstances to resist without war. That is why government is more dangerous than any company. Government has never been and will never be for the people, except in the propaganda.
 
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I think it's awful arrogant to think we, as a species, can significantly alter what happens to the planet. I am reminded of a line in Star Trek IV where Spock says something to the effect:

"Only the arrogance of man would assume the message is intended for him"​

While I support the idea of trying to be green I think it needs to be done as technology permits.
This is a very strange idea. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see what is happening. Obviously there are natural cycles, too. But everything from ice core samples to anthropological records tells us that we ARE changing the planet.
"I don't believe as a species that man can alter the planet" he says, seconds before pressing the nuclear button.
Of course we can change the planet! The question isn't if, it's how. And at what speed.
But we've been warming the planet since we first starting planting rice in Asia, and became neolithic.
Indeed, without it, we'd be in an ice age right now. So clearly SOME limited amount of global warming has been highly advantageous for our species. But the question is balance. Right now, we are overdoing it. And we probably need technological solutions to fix it.
Have you heard of the project in Iceland, that can take the carbon out of the atmosphere by mixing it with sea water, and turning it into blocks of limestone?
 
It would not matter if they collected data. They would have no one to sell advertising to and no one to sell business use to and therefore no company..
Of course they would! There are all kinds of companies out there that want that data. Advertising companies you've never heard of. They will always pay for the data. And political campaigns want that data as well. Everyone could stop using facebook today and they'd still be collecting, and paying for your data from a variety of sources. Data is the most valuable thing. And companies will buy it no matter what.
As for the collection, sure "stop using Facebook" might mean not using some Android phones that collect data behind the scenes, some websites that require Facebook logins (which I never use anyway), etc. It's still possible and easy if there is the will. In addition, if Facebook were fading fast under this scenario, then other companies would pull back providing them the data. That is the power of capitalism. The people get to decide. .
It's not just android phones, it's iphones too. At last count 70 ios apps are known to be sharing your data with facebook even if you don't have an account. It would blow your mind the data companies have collected on you. And not just now in the digital age but even long before the personal computer. Facebook could fade from public view but they'd still be able to collect and use your data to make them rich. You may think you're not using facebook so they don't have your data but you'd be sooooo wrong. And the data isn't just to advertise to you, they also use it to manipulate you.

You really don't have as much choice as you think you do.

Consumers have much more power to affect smaller businesses through their choices. But the larger a company gets the more they have their hands in everything and the harder it is to completely avoid them. You could not use android, not use any google app or service and you'd still be using google. It's impossible to access the internet and not. Same for amazon. You could never buy a product or use their service and you still couldn't use the net without them. Or various services from other companies that use them. If everyone stopped buying amazon products their store front would die off but there is a lot more to amazon than just the store. They would survive.

Thus you've lost your ability to choose.
 
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This is a very strange idea. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see what is happening. Obviously there are natural cycles, too. But everything from ice core samples to anthropological records tells us that we ARE changing the planet.
"I don't believe as a species that man can alter the planet" he says, seconds before pressing the nuclear button.
Of course we can change the planet! The question isn't if, it's how. And at what speed.
But we've been warming the planet since we first starting planting rice in Asia, and became neolithic.
Indeed, without it, we'd be in an ice age right now. So clearly SOME limited amount of global warming has been highly advantageous for our species. But the question is balance. Right now, we are overdoing it. And we probably need technological solutions to fix it.
Have you heard of the project in Iceland, that can take the carbon out of the atmosphere by mixing it with sea water, and turning it into blocks of limestone?
The planet has been warming and cooling all by itself. Yes we have some irrelevant impact but the planet will be just fine. Having said that I am not against being green as long as it is done as technology permits.
 
The planet has been warming and cooling all by itself. Yes we have some irrelevant impact but the planet will be just fine. Having said that I am not against being green as long as it is done as technology permits.
Sure it warms and cools on it's own. But that's not an argument against climate change. Our impact is massive. It should be cooling but instead it's warming. And at a much faster rate than it should be. What will that limit be? Where will it peak? And how will that impact human life? Even our own military sees this and is preparing for sea level rise and human migration and conflict that will arise from this.

Whether one believes in climate change or not we should still all want clean air and water and energy independence. And what if by doing that we also create a massive amount of jobs? What's the downside?
 
Sure it warms and cools on it's own. But that's not an argument against climate change. Our impact is massive. It should be cooling but instead it's warming. And at a much faster rate than it should be. What will that limit be? Where will it peak? And how will that impact human life? Even our own military sees this and is preparing for sea level rise and human migration and conflict that will arise from this.

Whether one believes in climate change or not we should still all want clean air and water and energy independence. And what if by doing that we also create a massive amount of jobs? What's the downside?
Sure it is. Climate change is warming and cooling. As for your other questions I remind you again of the Star Trek IV statement:

"Only the arrogance of man would assume the message is intended for him"​
 
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It's an interesting topic for conversation but I don't think she has a workable solution (and no solution would be simple, you'd end up with lots of unintended consequences that wouldn't be good for us as consumers and plenty of loopholes you could drive a bus through). It's a legitimate concern though that any small developer coming up with an innovated new idea faces the very real possibility that Google/Facebook/Apple/Whoever catch wind of it before they have enough momentum to compete and can bring their massive resources to bear, create a copycat tech, and blow the small developer out of the water.

They definitely have a massive advantage in that sense but I can't see a good solution. Market economies can be brutal but I view all the alternatives as worse. Reasonable regulation is fine and warranted but I see this as a situation in which the regulations can't be structured in such a way as to fix the problem without making things worse in many other ways.
 
Sure it is. Warming and cooling is climate change. As for your other questions I remind you again of the Star Trek IV statement:

"Only the arrogance of man would assume the message is intended for him"​
I should have said man made climate change. Or perhaps man influenced climate change. Apologies.
I'm not sure a quote from a work of fiction is accurate here. As much as I love star trek IV and star trek in general a fictional story about a probe talking to whales doesn't necessarily apply here. Though I see what you're getting at and I appreciate the star trek reference!

I think it's arrogant to assume we can't have an impact. Especially when all the data shows we are. Humans are a massive force of change on this planet.
 
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I think it's awful arrogant to think we, as a species, can significantly alter what happens to the planet. I am reminded of a line in Star Trek IV where Spock says something to the effect:

"Only the arrogance of man would assume the message is intended for him"​

While I support the idea of trying to be green I think it needs to be done as technology permits.

Unfortunately we as a species did already tremendously alter the planet.
 
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I should have said man made climate change. Apologies.
I'm not sure a quote from a work of fiction is accurate here. As much as I love star trek IV and star trek in general a fictional story about a probe talking to whales doesn't necessarily apply here. Though I see what you're getting at and I appreciate the star trek reference!

I think it's arrogant to assume we can't have an impact. Especially when all the data shows we are. Humans are a massive force of change on this planet.
I've never said we don't have an impact. What I'm saying is I believe mankind is awful arrogant to think they are able to tangibly control the warming / cooling of the planet. It's been here much longer than we have and it'll be here long after we're gone.

Having said that I think we can do things to make the planet a nicer place for us to live. Again as long as it's done as technology permits.
 
What industry would the USA be left with? If you make the tech sector weak, other countries are going to come in, such as China, and take away that sector from the USA. That means a loss of jobs and money.

She literally just killed her chance. I for one have removed her from my list of potential candidates as a result of this plan.

Yikes!
 
The purchase of Whatsapp and Instagram by Facebook should of been blocked but that's in the past now. Now Facebook, Google, Amazon, etc are very useful tools of the US Gov used to influence and gather data from US citizens and more importantly used against other countries as we all know. This will not change.
Elizabeth Warren campaign is now dead in the water.
 
Warren is even less likable than Clinton.

As much as I have problems with the silicon valley tech giants the much bigger problem is the ISP's.

She should be talking about breaking up Comcast, AT&T, TWC, Verizon etc, who own huge regional monopolies, stifle growth and investment and are generally hated by all.
 
Calm down all of your precious snowflakes... Warren was never a mainstream candidate. Wait for Joe Biden to throw his hat into the ring. A Biden-Sanders ticket is a winning ticket.

What??? two old and white dudes? I thought democrats hate old and white guys?
 
Only American companies will be split? HuyaWay , SumShung, FoksTron, ..... can merge and thrive?

At&t will be split on At and t , T-mobile wont be split since it is a German company, they separate John and his Slowcooker. :)))))

I think they should start with Twix chocolate bars and split them on left and right bars.
 
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