Except the weight, my 2010 MBP 17" now became more attractive than the new MBP 2016.
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Professional Mac Users' Complaints List Grows After 'Disappointing' Apple Event
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Except the weight, my 2010 MBP 17" now became more attractive than the new MBP 2016.
He says online orders have been the highest ever. I guess people aren't voting with their wallets?
Oh give me a break. First they complain about the lack of new hardware, now they complain about the lack of features.
If you don't like it, GET A PC.
If you don't like it, GET A PC.
Really? I'm using 20 gigs of RAM right now according to the Activity Monitor running Final Cut Pro X, Motion, Photoshop. I also need to fire up Adobe Audition to edit the audio so add to that.
32 gigs is a requirement for me.
Agreed.
While the Mac Mini has been sitting idle for a couple years... there have a been dozens of "mini desktops" like the Intel NUC series... the Gigabyte BRIX series... and others from Zotac, MSI, etc.
They figured it out... so Apple should have no excuse.
I hear you on the grievances but before you replace your aging MacBook Pro with a windows machine, there may be more to this new MacBook Pro than meets the eye. First, you get super fast storage which helps loading large files stored internally. Second, with all the Thunderbolt 3 ports, you have virtually unlimited potential. Sure it requires a dongle or dock for all your older peripherals but if those are desktop based, it is not really more inconvenient - in fact, with a dock, it may be even more convenient with a single connection to multiple devices.
Third, in three years when you have replaced out many of your devices for ones with USB-C, your MacBook Pro will still be current and you have no wasted space on old legacy ports that you rarely use.
The point about 32 GB of RAM is important for higher end users but Apple probably couldn't get the commitment from Intel for reliable supplies of the Kaby Lake processors to support it. I would expect in six months that will likely change and by WWDC next year, we will see MacBook Pros that will support 32 GB of RAM with the latest processor. It wouldn't be the first time that a mid year refresh of processors has occurred.
Third, in three years when you have replaced out many of your devices for ones with USB-C, your MacBook Pro will still be current and you have no wasted space on old legacy ports that you rarely use.
The point about 32 GB of RAM is important for higher end users but Apple probably couldn't get the commitment from Intel for reliable supplies of the Kaby Lake processors to support it. I would expect in six months that will likely change and by WWDC next year, we will see MacBook Pros that will support 32 GB of RAM with the latest processor. It wouldn't be the first time that a mid year refresh of processors has occurred.
Yep they have a new item every week and PCs have tons of legacy ports and PCs don't care about being thin and light. The thing is PCs don't have 32GB of ram either so there's that.
Not really. Businesses and factories mostly only look at the dollar and specs on paper on those kinds of contracts, thus any PC OEM like Acer/Asus/Lenovo can always beat Apple in providing the cheapest solution for the spec on paper.
If someone gave me $2000 to spend on a laptop my first choice would not be a Macbook. For me it's the attention to detail such as the various dongles you must buy and keeping the headphone jack after you cursed it 2 months ago.
It would have been smarter to give the iPhone 7 USB-C and replace the headphone jack on the computer with another USB-C port as well. There needs to be some method to the madness.
It would have been smarter to give the iPhone 7 USB-C and replace the headphone jack on the computer with another USB-C port as well. There needs to be some method to the madness.
A 32GB Ram option would of been crazy with the high price of it already. I would of loved 32 GB DD4 at the same original price thou.
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Less than a week ago Apple unveiled its new MacBook Pro line-up, with the focus of its "Hello again" event centering on the OLED Touch Bar that replaces the function keys on the company's 13-inch and 15-inch flagship models.
Initial media reaction to Apple's event was positive, and most journalists in attendance were impressed after their limited hands-on time with the new machines. "There's all kinds of love for the new MacBook Pro," reported The Loop the following morning, in a post citing quotes from several leading tech sites.
Over the weekend, however, evidence mounted of a backlash within sections of the online Mac community in response to Apple's latest announcements. In a blog post on his site titled "New MacBook Pros and the State of the Mac", developer Michael Tsai collated and linked to the most commonly aired grievances. The post has since become a common point of reference in the blogosphere for negative sentiment toward Apple following last week's event.
In his original post, Tsai said he was "disappointed" with Apple's announcements for the Mac, which made him feel as if Cupertino had either "lost touch" with what developers and creative professionals want, or Apple "simply doesn't care about those customers".
The subsequent catalog of grievances largely mirror Tsai's own complaints, which include the "premium price" of a "Pro" MacBook limited to 16GB RAM, the prioritization of "thinness and lightness" over CPU and graphics performance, and Apple's "neglect" of other sections of its Mac product line. Tsai concludes: "It has seemed clear for a while that the CEO doesn't really understand the Mac, or simply doesn't like it that much, and that's a problem for those of us who do."
On Monday, both The Loop and Daring Fireball highlighted Tsai's post, noting its growing inventory of criticisms. The Loop said the list contained "a lot of fair complaints" that are "insights... worth paying attention to". Daring Fireball's John Gruber called the extent of the backlash "astounding" and described Tsai's collection of quotes as "must-read stuff".
In another widely shared article titled "How Apple could have avoided much of the controversy", developer Chuq Von Rospach wrote that while much of the criticism ignores "a lot of the positives" in Apple's latest announcements, the company should have at least mentioned upcoming updates to the rest of its product line, which would "have muted a lot of the anger".
Von Rospach goes on to speculate about what those updates might be, broaches some of the issues regarding Apple's new notebooks (the 16GB RAM ceiling, an increase in dongles) and concludes by suggesting that creative professionals need to realize the Mac line has become a "niche product" in a world driven by market forces where Apple technology has gone mainstream. The full article can be read here.
The impassioned online debate comes at an important time for Apple, which hopes to boost interest in a lukewarm computer market this holiday season, following the company's first reported full-year revenue decline since 2001. Its Touch Bar enabled 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Pro notebooks are expected to ship in late November. Meanwhile, the new 13-inch MacBook Pro sans Touch Bar is already shipping to customers and more comprehensive reviews of Apple's lower-spec notebook are expected this week.
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Less than a week ago Apple unveiled its new MacBook Pro line-up, with the focus of its "Hello again" event centering on the OLED Touch Bar that replaces the function keys on the company's 13-inch and 15-inch flagship models.
Initial media reaction to Apple's event was positive, and most journalists in attendance were impressed after their limited hands-on time with the new machines. "There's all kinds of love for the new MacBook Pro," reported The Loop the following morning, in a post citing quotes from several leading tech sites.
Over the weekend, however, evidence mounted of a backlash within sections of the online Mac community in response to Apple's latest announcements. In a blog post on his site titled "New MacBook Pros and the State of the Mac", developer Michael Tsai collated and linked to the most commonly aired grievances. The post has since become a common point of reference in the blogosphere for negative sentiment toward Apple following last week's event.
In his original post, Tsai said he was "disappointed" with Apple's announcements for the Mac, which made him feel as if Cupertino had either "lost touch" with what developers and creative professionals want, or Apple "simply doesn't care about those customers".
The subsequent catalog of grievances largely mirror Tsai's own complaints, which include the "premium price" of a "Pro" MacBook limited to 16GB RAM, the prioritization of "thinness and lightness" over CPU and graphics performance, and Apple's "neglect" of other sections of its Mac product line. Tsai concludes: "It has seemed clear for a while that the CEO doesn't really understand the Mac, or simply doesn't like it that much, and that's a problem for those of us who do."
On Monday, both The Loop and Daring Fireball highlighted Tsai's post, noting its growing inventory of criticisms. The Loop said the list contained "a lot of fair complaints" that are "insights... worth paying attention to". Daring Fireball's John Gruber called the extent of the backlash "astounding" and described Tsai's collection of quotes as "must-read stuff".
In another widely shared article titled "How Apple could have avoided much of the controversy", developer Chuq Von Rospach wrote that while much of the criticism ignores "a lot of the positives" in Apple's latest announcements, the company should have at least mentioned upcoming updates to the rest of its product line, which would "have muted a lot of the anger".
Von Rospach goes on to speculate about what those updates might be, broaches some of the issues regarding Apple's new notebooks (the 16GB RAM ceiling, an increase in dongles) and concludes by suggesting that creative professionals need to realize the Mac line has become a "niche product" in a world driven by market forces where Apple technology has gone mainstream. The full article can be read here.
The impassioned online debate comes at an important time for Apple, which hopes to boost interest in a lukewarm computer market this holiday season, following the company's first reported full-year revenue decline since 2001. Its Touch Bar enabled 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Pro notebooks are expected to ship in late November. Meanwhile, the new 13-inch MacBook Pro sans Touch Bar is already shipping to customers and more comprehensive reviews of Apple's lower-spec notebook are expected this week.
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Ha, yeah I know what it is. They're the ones saying Microsoft is more innovate while they're typing from their MBA with glowing Apple logo.
And you are still living in 2002 my friend. Yes, is true, you wont get the same performance, but these laptops were always ahead of the pack as long as you were willing to pay. Its not even an option anymore. that's why people are complaining. 16GB max is a joke. There are single RAM chips that tops 64gb. But okay, they want you to upgrade to the next refresh and spend more $ to get 2015 performamce in 2017-18. SMH
Lol, what ? There are pc laptops now with 64GM of Ram ! And plenty with 32gb
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/53688/eurocoms-new-laptop-64gb-ram-120hz-display-dual-gpus/index.html
And because you never needed more than 16gb for your job, means no one else on earth needs it ?
Hey, most people don't even need a computer actually. A smartphone would do fine. Let's just stop making computers alltogether then...
Wouldn't hurt Apple to offer extra ram as an option, wouldn't it?
If your machine is swapping memory - this alone will eat the battery faster - not to mention slow down performance.
RAM is still significantly faster that having swap space.
If your machine is swapping memory - this alone will eat the battery faster - not to mention slow down performance.
RAM is still significantly faster that having swap space.
Fussing over little features aside, I wish Apple was just honest in admitting the new MacBook Pro is just a MacBook, nothing Pro about it.
Leaving the old dimensions (my 2015 model is already super thin and light) to keep some extra legacy ports, bigger battery to compensate for the "huge battery drain 32GB ram would cause", etc.
Leaving the old dimensions (my 2015 model is already super thin and light) to keep some extra legacy ports, bigger battery to compensate for the "huge battery drain 32GB ram would cause", etc.
No, but it sure as hell would hurt the rest of us who don't need the extra ram because then, we are stuck with desktop ram when we don't need it.
My 5 years old iMac has 32GB of RAM.
This MBP is a terrible joke and a slap in anyone's face who tries to regain some faith in the Mac department.
Unfortunately that's not the the only thing wrong with this device alone.
I hope it flops hard, Apple is terribly slow at learning, let alone listening to user feedback.
Well why do when your stuff sells anyways...
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This MBP is a terrible joke and a slap in anyone's face who tries to regain some faith in the Mac department.
Unfortunately that's not the the only thing wrong with this device alone.
I hope it flops hard, Apple is terribly slow at learning, let alone listening to user feedback.
Well why do when your stuff sells anyways...
Glassed Silver:ios
Problem is not money, but that there's no updated pro machine no matter the money you have.
Apple needs to stop making their Pro laptops try to cater to consumers thats what the Air Line and Macbook should be for
I do agree. I know its getting old, but what the heck is "one word: courage" suppose to mean to people other than himself and his employees.
By using desktop computers for my pro work and not laptops. My 2006 Mac Pro had 32 gigs.
What a load of rubbish. No offense but the app ecosystem just isn't there for truly professional applications on a post-pc era platform. In fact the very notion of post-pc is completely flawed. It makes a grand assumption that the only "personal computer" is that of a desktop which can admittedly be considered passé in some circles, but the truth is that the machines are very necessary for various creative functions. And we aren't just talking video and photo work here.
But frankly if Apple wants to pass on this market then the alternative players will gladly lap up the left overs / left outs. (Enter: Microsoft, Dell, et al)
Fortunately most all my professional licensed software is dual platform so if the Mac won't cut it then a Windows 10 machine will but I frankly find that to be just silly stupid since one of the key selling points of Apple's systems has been the cohesion between the desktop and mobile / slate. (iMessage, Facetime, coherence and so on.)
They need to update the pro-machines. Let them charge what ever premium based on the size of the niche but at least offer the option. There are those of us willing to pay for the experience. Apple has everything to lose and nothing to gain in the long term by ignoring this.