I own a license of Autodesk Maya for MacOS.
(That's probably the mistake right ther.e... silly me.)
I have a lot of renders that don''t even finish in 32GB.
Maya just crashes.
I would like 64 GB...
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Professional Mac Users' Complaints List Grows After 'Disappointing' Apple Event
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I own a license of Autodesk Maya for MacOS.
(That's probably the mistake right ther.e... silly me.)
I have a lot of renders that don''t even finish in 32GB.
Maya just crashes.
I would like 64 GB...
^This. Very much agree. Also the over use of the term "innovation". Innovation does always equal creation of content or enhanced productivity.
I read many forums and discussion sites for music proffesionals, And never once as I can remember has the need for a touchbar, or siri or thinner form been a requested feature. If apple was actually listening to their pro customers they would have known we ask for more, not less IO, easy component access and the fastes CPUs as possible. The new macbook has a wrong name, its shouldnt be called pro, cause it does not meet the needs of many many pros. Its a good looking and capable machine, but its not a pro computer.
The new MacBook Pro does seem like a good laptop. It doesn't seem like a Pro computer though. If Apple is simplifying their laptop product line to a MacBook and MacBook Pro. This device seems like it is really sit right in the middle (except for price of course).
I personally am not that concerned about the dongles, and USB-C only interfaces. I would like to have the SD Card reader left in, but I'm willing to drop the USB-A connector if means moving the industry forward to USB-C. There are tons of USB-A peripherals on the market, I'm sure most of those manufacturer would be completely happy just using the USB-A connector indefinitely. I'd be willing to endure some pain now to move the whole experience forward in the long run.
Most of the outrage from this event would have been more muted if there were updates to the other Mac products at the same time. If they rolled out an update to the Mac Pro, mini, and iMac at the same time. The MacBook Pro complaints still would have happened, but there wouldn't be this level of outrage over it.
What some people are really looking for is Apple Designed Mobile Workstation like the Dell Precision 5/7000s. They are fuggly and run windows, but come standard with Xeon processor, 32GB of RAM, and every legacy port imaginable. The major difference is they are twice as thick, but surprisingly enough weigh less due to generous use of plastic.
Ultimately I can see why Apple made the design decisions they did. At the same time I can see why there is such a strong outrage.
I personally am not that concerned about the dongles, and USB-C only interfaces. I would like to have the SD Card reader left in, but I'm willing to drop the USB-A connector if means moving the industry forward to USB-C. There are tons of USB-A peripherals on the market, I'm sure most of those manufacturer would be completely happy just using the USB-A connector indefinitely. I'd be willing to endure some pain now to move the whole experience forward in the long run.
Most of the outrage from this event would have been more muted if there were updates to the other Mac products at the same time. If they rolled out an update to the Mac Pro, mini, and iMac at the same time. The MacBook Pro complaints still would have happened, but there wouldn't be this level of outrage over it.
What some people are really looking for is Apple Designed Mobile Workstation like the Dell Precision 5/7000s. They are fuggly and run windows, but come standard with Xeon processor, 32GB of RAM, and every legacy port imaginable. The major difference is they are twice as thick, but surprisingly enough weigh less due to generous use of plastic.
Ultimately I can see why Apple made the design decisions they did. At the same time I can see why there is such a strong outrage.
Just found this gem on LinkedIn....
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For the Mac Pro at least, the new processors don't really offer much of an improvement in performance to merit an upgrade. I don't know why Apple doesn't upgrade the graphics though.
Don't know enough to comment on the Mac mini though.
Actually I connect my iPhone to my Mac Pro and also one of the 5 iMacs I own through out my house.
As for referencing the use of conviently connecting ones iPhone directly as you could with prior models was just an example of how cluttered one would have to be with all these dongles you'd have to buy. An iPhone is not the only thing, say an Ethernet port as I prefer to connect directly to my routers when doing server work.
I was considering buying a new MacBook Pro this year for myself so I could have a powerful mobile computer when I'm out and about.
What was presented is not worth it. Not for me that is, and yes my finances thankfully allows me to earn over 500k a year so I think I can afford stuff. I just don't go about wasting my money, like how I'm feeling about my jet black iPhone 7 plus 256gb. Only reason I did not return it is because it does take faster burst front facing camera pics and the quality is better than the 6S plus.
I may just put in a few orders for a few MacBook pros for a few of my nephews and nieces for Christmas. This update is not for me. I still can't believe they removed so much of the important ports for the sake of making the computer thinner. Also the keyboard has very little travel so it feels like typing on a flat surface.
But yeah I was trying to keep it short on my first post on this thread not going into much details of why I find that this is not a "Pro" version.
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This is a great point. And actually, I've got an aging MBP with only 8 gigs of RAM that I regularly use pretty heavily editing movie in Premier and images in Photoshop and Illustrator while laying page in InDesign (my Adobe workflow as an example, since Adobe CC is far and away the most RAM hungry suite of software I use). I was going to upgrade it to 16 gigs, but I upgraded the HDD to an SSD instead and now (between RAM compression, file caching, and swap) 8 gigs of RAM is working great.
Do you think products like the iPhone existed due to Apple soliciting feedback about what people wanted to see in a smartphone?
Nope. I don't. Do you know why that says Don't Buy? Because x amount of time has passed since they were updated, which statically means the odds are in favor of those products being updated "soon".You see what the problem is even if we want to buy the iMac and Mac Pro?
To an actually professional user, that is meaningless. I'm a Pro user. I'm using a 2014 5k iMac. This thing is extremely powerful and capable. If I didn't have this one today, I would buy whatever version of it is available today.
This obsession with whatever product is always on the horizon is a blog-induced fantasy. My 2014 iMac is incredibly capable, and allows me to do all manner of major professional work. It is so good that I don't need the 2015 iteration. Probably won't need the 2017 iteration.
And the truth is...you don't either. You might think you do. You might have yourself convinced that you do. But you don't. I know this, because I'm about as Pro of a user as it gets. I know that my needs and workflows and jobs and tasks are not so incredibly different from most other Pros, to find these fantasy arguments to be believable.
How are the delays on Intel when you can buy laptops supporting 64GiB RAM since over a year ago?
The problem with this is that none of Apple's cloud services use Apple computers. Hmmm. I think that tells us all we need to know about the future of Apple computers.
Apple have made a big point in the past of emphasing that the Mac sales continued to grow while the rest of the PC industry sales were declining, so they have managed to avoid that trend in the past.
Apple sales are declining because they're not releasing new machines not because the overall market is declining.
January for desktops? I hope you're right. My money is in the bank ready and waiting. I thought they might announce new desktops at their next Keynote which is usually in March or April but January would be perfect for me.
You are talking about cached files. I'm talking about the RAM I'm using after launching the apps fresh and fired up the projects I've been working in. If I had 16 gigs it would be paging this crap to the drive and would be slower.
I've been doing this kind of work for decades. I've been on dozens of Macs with different amounts of RAM. I'm a "pro" I guess and I'm saying I need 32 gigs of RAM. If you and Apple say I'm wrong, I disagree and I do vote with my wallet (I haven't bought a laptop for creative work for this reason).
Have you looked at the SSD transfer rates of even the lowest end 2016 MBP? Significantly faster than last years, and commensurate with RAM rates used in the laptop.
Death By Dongle
With the new MacBook Pro only having 4 USB-C connectors (excuse me, Thunderbolt 3) how am I supposed to connect my devices?
The marketing material says it supports up to 2, 5k monitors and 2 raid arrays... but I thought one port needs to be used for power... so does that take it down to 3? And then for security reasons at work, I have to use a LAN cable, so that takes me down to 2.
Also, I only see 1:1 dongles, so if I use my hi-res USB mouse I've lost a connector, leaving me one.
When I take my laptop to a client site I have three HD res monitors there rather than one high res monitor (not my choice). Currently on my 2012 MBPr I use the two thunderbolt connectors and the HDMI to drive them and it works great.
How would that work with the new one?! It doesn't seem like it would.
Kinda sick of having a device that's 25% less volume ... unless you add in all the volume of all the dongles I have to lug around with me to make it work and all the elegance of my device being trashed with all the dongle cords, not to mention the mockery from PC users who have their connectors embedded in their devices, many of which are almost as thin as my Mac anyway.
And the fact that they killed mag-safe, one of the best features. Apple, stop flipping shrinking the device, leave it the same size and GIVE US MORE POWER AND FLEXIBILITY!
With the new MacBook Pro only having 4 USB-C connectors (excuse me, Thunderbolt 3) how am I supposed to connect my devices?
The marketing material says it supports up to 2, 5k monitors and 2 raid arrays... but I thought one port needs to be used for power... so does that take it down to 3? And then for security reasons at work, I have to use a LAN cable, so that takes me down to 2.
Also, I only see 1:1 dongles, so if I use my hi-res USB mouse I've lost a connector, leaving me one.
When I take my laptop to a client site I have three HD res monitors there rather than one high res monitor (not my choice). Currently on my 2012 MBPr I use the two thunderbolt connectors and the HDMI to drive them and it works great.
How would that work with the new one?! It doesn't seem like it would.
Kinda sick of having a device that's 25% less volume ... unless you add in all the volume of all the dongles I have to lug around with me to make it work and all the elegance of my device being trashed with all the dongle cords, not to mention the mockery from PC users who have their connectors embedded in their devices, many of which are almost as thin as my Mac anyway.
And the fact that they killed mag-safe, one of the best features. Apple, stop flipping shrinking the device, leave it the same size and GIVE US MORE POWER AND FLEXIBILITY!
That's because you are actually a pro user. But to be fair, everyone has bastardized the word pro to fit whatever meaning is more suitable to them. I would be the same as you, I would buy what I need right now because that's what generates revenue for me. You can't tell me not to buy, when not buying means I'm losing $$. And for what? A computer? Not worth it.
Exactly. And today they are carrying an article about how the new MacBook Pro is breaking records in terms of pre orders.
MacRumors has become a "main stream media" in terms of reliability. Look how they fudged the Google Pixel "review".
It's just not a trustworthy media.
This actually has a good reason. Apparently the intel chipsets only support 16G low energy ram, the few laptops that do offer more have serious hits to battery performance. Supposedly in 2018 Intel will be releasing a chipset that will support 32 low energy ram.
This is a joke, right? Of course the iPhone comes with the cable most useful to most people for now. Ship it with a USB-C to Lightning cable and even more people would need dongles. Insane!
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I don't see how what I said was a joke. As of right now, people who have bought the iPhone 7 or earlier can not buy the new MacBook pros and connect the phone to it directly as you could with prior versions.
What Apple could at least do for the amount that one is paying is to include at least that one USB-C to lightning cable. But of course why would they do so when they can just sell you more wires.
I totally agree with you on this.
I'm a Design director/Art director. [A pro].
What I expect from Apple is to innovate, yes. I expect them to not only be cutting edge, but to be ground-breaking and better than the competition in my field – the creative industry. My industry always has been and I hope will continue to be one that relies on Apple to provide us with the tools we need.
However, as we all seemingly can attest to, rather depressingly, this is not the case anymore. PCs have gradually taken over from Apple with faster, better, more customisable and more powerful devices to do the job we sometimes require. The competition at least give the consumer the possibility to be just that - competitive. Options to customise their laptop in precisely the way they need. If not at least a wee more prescribed.
Case in point: I was directing an animator the other week using Cinema 4D. The company we were both freelancing for provided him with a fully specced up Mac Pro, albeit 3-4 years old, it was maxed out. (I had an iMac – again a sign of the times!) It was absolutely no competition for the animators own PC laptop. He had to bring that in as it was so much faster. We ran comparative tests, rendering the same number of frames. 78 hours on the Mac Pro. Less than 12 hours on the PC laptop. I was pretty shocked and honestly embarrassed as a staunch Apple fan and user since 1988. Without Rebus (render farm), we would have been screwed. It was a very obvious and sad reflection of how Apple has forgotten about the creative pro users. Undeniably.
The MacBook Pro should be just that. For professional users. An agile, portable, powerful, laptop that is comparable with the competition at worst and innovative, awe-inspiring and ground-breaking at best.
I have a mid-2011 rMBP. [16GB RAM]. Yes, it still works OK. I don't really need much more from it.
Yes, it's true I've ordered the new one. Maxed out. But, 32GB RAM would have been a pro option. The fastest processors money could buy/now available would be a pro option. The fastest memory chips available would be a pro option. A Radeon Pro 4XX graphics chip for better rendering (gaming) could be a pro option. An OLED main display would have been nice! Instead we have a Touch Bar and USB-C ports galore. And all for a pretty penny.
I hope I will use the Touch Bar. It looks pretty cool. The whole Mac does look good.
This MacBook Pro is no longer a laptop for pro users. It's for those who can afford the highest spec, overpriced, top of the range Apple product, whilst maybe aspiring to be a pro and looking cool in Starbucks, checking their Facebook page.
Maybe Apple does have plans for 2017... Hello again, again?
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Intel's current mobile processors don't support LPDDR memory over 16gb. In order to go over 16 today, you have to drop LPDDR and go to desktop class memory which is considerably more power hungry. This is also why Microsofts new Surface Book also tops out at 16gb