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This is a great point. And actually, I've got an aging MBP with only 8 gigs of RAM that I regularly use pretty heavily editing movie in Premier and images in Photoshop and Illustrator while laying page in InDesign (my Adobe workflow as an example, since Adobe CC is far and away the most RAM hungry suite of software I use). I was going to upgrade it to 16 gigs, but I upgraded the HDD to an SSD instead and now (between RAM compression, file caching, and swap) 8 gigs of RAM is working great.

Skip to 2:09 to see After Effects and Premiere benchmarks 16 vs 32 vs 64
 
Intel's current mobile processors don't support LPDDR memory over 16gb. In order to go over 16 today, you have to drop LPDDR and go to desktop class memory which is considerably more power hungry.
I don't care. I can just put 4 SODIMMs for 64GiB.
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Where else would you get the ram, if not desktop ram?
4 slots.
 
Some of you guys need to start being more realistic. Apple focuses on their most POPULAR products first. Are you really surprised that the Mac mini and Mac Pro take longer to receive updates?

iPhones are their most popular iOS devices and MacBooks/MacBook Pros are their most popular computers...

It's unfortunate, but Apple is huge and their focus shifts over time. So is life...

I was trying to be realistic. Last month I hoped that the October event would see the entire lineup updated - that was unrealistic.

I expect the MacBook Pro and the iMac are two of the most popular models, so deserve the focus. The Mac mini is fine at the moment for people that just want a low cost desktop, or a media centre. Why update it and lose money/resources?

All of that sits within the 'mac' portion of their attention, which is small compared to iOS, I know :)
 
Where else would you get the ram, if not desktop ram?

That's my point – content creator pros have a different priority than business travelers. If you are a video editor or a motion graphics artist or a freelance designer showing up for an on-site gig, you are plugging your laptop in. Who are all these people doing video editing on airplanes?

I thought that was the whole point of a Pro line – different needs. More power.
 
What happened is they managed to piss off different consumers for the same product at the same time in different ways.

The "Pro" users want better hardware and performance (CPU, GPU, RAM). It's clear that PC manufacturers have prioritized those (see Razer, even the Stealth, for example). People in this camp don't care so much about uber-thinness, battery life, etc. Those that care probably wouldn't complain that much regarding the port situation...because the hardware/performance is what matters most to them and in the current MBP, it's compromised...for what they need the computer for and in terms of being a supposed advanced version of the MBP models that came before. The line is called MBP. This machine is really just a MB. For these kinds of users, the MBP is barely serviceable based on their computing demands or behind.

The non-"Pro" users who would pretty much be fine with the hardware specs, are the ones who care more about stuff like legacy ports...(I think it's arguable that USB-A is actually legacy, yet). They might be more impressed by gimmicky stuff like the touchbar (likely an incremental move towards some sort of whole convertible keyboard version, at least in e-ink). They might be less inclined to be upset over Apple's "thinness over all" development. These people would be fine with any new laptop from Apple...probably even a year or two year old model. For them, a two year old laptop is already pretty much future-proof for the 3-5 years they will use it.

There is overlap in terms of my argument...some of those I categorize as "Pro," might be pissed off too about ports on the new model...but it's likely that some of their critiques would have been lessened if there were standout benefits in terms of other characteristics...price or performance.

Most everyone critical is upset over the price point for the compromises they see themselves making in terms of "upgrading" to this model.

New consumers (upper-middle class students starting college) probably don't care about any of this (including the name Pro attached to it) and will likely be happy. Honestly, to me, this suggests Apple retiring Pro or rebranding "Pro" to just mean more expensive for people who have the money but don't know a whole lot about hardware.
 
That's my point – content creator pros have a different priority than business travelers. If you are a video editor or a motion graphics artist or a freelance designer showing up for an on-site gig, you are plugging your laptop in. Who are all these people doing video editing on airplanes?

I thought that was the whole point of a Pro line – different needs. More power.

Not at the expense of everything else.
 
It is impossible for Apple to build a product that does absolutely everything every single person wants. Apple themselves admit they have to make compromises to achieve weight reduction, thinness, and good battery life. You have to decide whether those compromises are acceptable according to your own needs. If the compromises are no good for you, I'm afraid you'll have to go buy another product. No amount of ranting on MR 24x7x365 is going to make Apple care about your specific needs and wants. Apple is always going to be about servicing the needs of the bigger majority.
I don't think Apple needs to create a product that does everything, and I did not suggest that on my post. My problem is that when people buy stuff that is just "good enough" they are helping reinforce Tim's new philosophy, which exclusively prioritizes profit. Until very recently Apple used to have higher standards but doesn't seem to be the case.

Think about it, your brand new iPhone 7 cannot connect to your brand new MacBook Pro. Your brand new MacBook Pro has a headphone jack that a few weeks ago Apple deemed obsolete. If you don't think that this is a HUGE mistake, we don't even need to continue with this discussion. This is beyond what I need or what you need. This is about doing the right stuff in the first place.

And by the way, don't underestimate the power of people voicing their concerns. It starts small but once it hits a critical mass, it may bring changes...
 
Does anyone actually own any USB-C hardware/peripherals (dongles and hubs aside)? Does Apple even make any USB-C hardware? As far as I know you have to adapt to charge your Apple phone, charge your apple mouse, plug in your apple screen..... What products are out there that even use USB-C?!

When Apple introduced mini display before any products existed for it, at least they announced a Cinema Display that could work as an adaptor/hub. Of course they also didn't remove USB2 at that point...
 
Not at the expense of everything else.
It does not need to be at the expense of everything else.

Apple could easily have light laptops, all round laptops, and workstation laptops.

Their product line oversimplification is their weakness.
 
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It'd be great to say "What you need from a computer means the Mac Pro would be more for you" ... but Apple haven't updated it in ages.

I assume the company is focusing on particular areas of the Mac lineup. MacBook Pro first, then iMac... the question is: what next?

I'm assuming the Mac mini is a bottom priority.

That's why Apple's focus on secrecy doesn't work for some areas as it does for others. Pros, for example, need clear standards and clear direction about the future. If the standard is Thunderbolt 3/USB-C, great, but confirm that Apple will be sticking with this for at least X number of years. If Apple's Lightroom competitor is going to be discontinued, okay, but don't leave users hanging in the wind for years. If the headphone jack is obsolete, then at least give us clear direction about the wired standard that will be used for at least X number of years and don't confuse the issue by using it on some machines that lack the apparent new standard.

Apple used to lead us toward the future. Now we lurch there in fits and starts.
 
It does not need to be at the expense of everything else.

Apple could easily have light laptops, all round laptops, and workstation laptops.

Their product line oversimplification is their weakness.

And yet on the other hand, we have people complaining that Apple's product lineup is getting too bloated and complicated ...
 
It does not need to be at the expense of everything else.

Apple could easily have light laptops, all round laptops, and workstation laptops.

Their product line oversimplification is their weakness.

While at the same time people here keep posting that Jobs interview about Apple having too complex a lineup.

Can't win on the internet....
 
I own a 2009 24 inches iMac that I'm still using. I've put an SSD drive into it to mitigate it's falling performance. Now that MacOS is no longer allowed to run on this machine, I was expecting to be able to look at a new iMac following the last week announcement. I'm a bit disappointed to have to wait again for a future update for the iMac. No way I would spend close to 3K$ for a new machine that is already, at least, one year old in terms of technology. The current line of iMac is very attractive for the look, but I may look for something else if Apple play too much with bells and whistles that are going to raise the price of the next to be released iMac against a decent main technology update. The new MacBook Pro keyboard may seems attractive for some, but is counterproductive for me as I'm 99% of the time looking at the screen, not the keyboard (I also own a MacBook Pro 2012 that I hope will be fine at least for the next 2-3 years...). Hope they won't do the same for the upcoming iMac. For the last 10 years, I've been acquiring Apple devices exclusively. That may change in a foreseeable futur...
 
While at the same time people here keep posting that Jobs interview about Apple having too complex a lineup.

Can't win on the internet....
Because it was at the time he came back.

What is true at one point in time does not necessarily hold forever.
 
What happened is they managed to piss off different consumers for the same product at the same time in different ways....<snip for space>

I think you're pretty close there. I'm a pro user, albeit for development and UI design, and not video editing. That right there changes one's needs.

For me, while very expensive the hardware internals are fine. The touch bar is cool, but not a must have. The real, REAL problem is what was dropped in terms of ports, all so Johnny Frickin' Ive can say inane things about the wondrous thinness of the design. He'll leave out the part that in order to use it anywhere but starbucks you'll need to have so many dongles and hubs that it's impractical and UGLY.

I have a 2012 MBPr. It still works great. Just starting to feel a little slow compared to new hardware. If they had done nothing but updated the specs I'd be more inclined to buy... sigh...
 
Because it was at the time he came back.

What is true at one point in time does not necessarily hold forever.
I know that. What I was specifically saying is that all the doom and gloom posters are already saying that the Apple that sold a million different printers, monitors, 10+ mac machines, etc. is somehow the Apple of today.

Honestly the bitch-fest that the internet has become over the last few days has been hysterical, I think it mostly has to do with everyone being pissed off about the elections and finding a different avenue to vent.
 
I think you're pretty close there. I'm a pro user, albeit for development and UI design, and not video editing. That right there changes one's needs.

For me, while very expensive the hardware internals are fine. The touch bar is cool, but not a must have. The real, REAL problem is what was dropped in terms of ports, all so Johnny Frickin' Ive can say inane things about the wondrous thinness of the design. He'll leave out the part that in order to use it anywhere but starbucks you'll need to have so many dongles and hubs that it's impractical and UGLY.

I have a 2012 MBPr. It still works great. Just starting to feel a little slow compared to new hardware. If they had done nothing but updated the specs I'd be more inclined to buy... sigh...
Can you please lay out why you need to have tons of devices plugged in while mobile, and while not mobile why a simple one plug dock wouldn't suffice?

I'm curious to your use case.
 
One more thing. If Apple managed to make a laptop the same size as two pieces of paper, but it only had a connector for power, Pro's would not use it. And I would argue, after a certain point (2012) I think thinness is way... WAY overrated.
 
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I know that. What I was specifically saying is that all the doom and gloom posters are already saying that the Apple that sold a million different printers, monitors, 10+ mac machines, etc. is somehow the Apple of today.

Honestly the bitch-fest that the internet has become over the last few days has been hysterical, I think it mostly has to do with everyone being pissed off about the elections and finding a different avenue to vent.
In the UK they are angry Brexit made the Macs super expensive.

And everywhere they are complaining about the price increases.
 
you can't be serious

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The top of your post says all that needs to be said. Windows - the bloated, virus at tracking, daily reboot required, buggy operating system. No thank you. I would rather pay more for macs that last 4-6 years than this crap O/S and low quality hardware no matter what the specs.
 
you can't be serious

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I'll see your Windows machine and raise you a:
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I win.
 
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