The 10 hour battery life is only if you do nothing but simply checking your email. If you want to do something CPU/GPU heavy, there is no way you can go longer than 4 hours.
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The 10 hour battery life is only if you do nothing but simply checking your email. If you want to do something CPU/GPU heavy, there is no way you can go longer than 4 hours.
Am I the only one who just realized that out of the box there is literally no Ethernet port?
That clearly gives it a way that the new MacBook Pro's are not for most professions. This is geared to the masses that love the slimness of the Air.
I would of not been upset if this were the new Macbook's or Macbook Air's but to call this machine a "Pro" and the high price for what your getting out the box does not make sense.
But then again if you can afford the laptop you can afford to buy a few different dongles, even more clutter. Reminds me of this:
You need a dongle for EVERYTHING. Very nice of them to include 4 ports where out the box I can charge the laptop from any of the 4 ports.
The touch bar is nice but tell me how many "Pro" users will actually use that to skim threw your timeline in FinalCut feature? Also just typing this touch bar has predictive text thing. I don't look at the keyboard when I type. Now if I were just messaging folks thru Messages and simply surfing the net then sure the touch bar is cute.
That clearly gives it a way that the new MacBook Pro's are not for most professions. This is geared to the masses that love the slimness of the Air.
I would of not been upset if this were the new Macbook's or Macbook Air's but to call this machine a "Pro" and the high price for what your getting out the box does not make sense.
But then again if you can afford the laptop you can afford to buy a few different dongles, even more clutter. Reminds me of this:
You need a dongle for EVERYTHING. Very nice of them to include 4 ports where out the box I can charge the laptop from any of the 4 ports.
The touch bar is nice but tell me how many "Pro" users will actually use that to skim threw your timeline in FinalCut feature? Also just typing this touch bar has predictive text thing. I don't look at the keyboard when I type. Now if I were just messaging folks thru Messages and simply surfing the net then sure the touch bar is cute.
This is from Apple's Mac Pro page. Seems they understood at some point at least.
"In creating a pro computer for the future, we wanted to provide an enormous amount of expansion — without being limited to the space inside the enclosure. Designed with built-in Thunderbolt 2, USB 3, Gigabit Ethernet and HDMI 1.4 ports, Mac Pro sets a new standard in flexible, high-performance expansion. It’s our most expandable Mac yet. And it has everything you need to build a workstation completely customised to what you need and how you work."
"In creating a pro computer for the future, we wanted to provide an enormous amount of expansion — without being limited to the space inside the enclosure. Designed with built-in Thunderbolt 2, USB 3, Gigabit Ethernet and HDMI 1.4 ports, Mac Pro sets a new standard in flexible, high-performance expansion. It’s our most expandable Mac yet. And it has everything you need to build a workstation completely customised to what you need and how you work."
Given that Apple killed off the desktop lineup of G5 Quads etc. where professionals needed the power of 64GB and now have to put up with a laptop, then yes. Run multiple professional apps e.g. Adobe, Sketch etc., then it's a must have.
It's a mobile pro device.
FYI: lawyers, businessmen, engineers, scientists are professionals. Not everyone is a video editor. I would argue who do that for a living probably wouldn't want to do that on the go anyway and invest in a desktop. Also, as it's already said countless times, intel's laptop grade processor simply cannot support more than 16 GB.
They could've put a desktop grade chip, but do you really want a MacBook with a 3 hour battery life? That's what Windows laptops are doing when they have more than 16GB.
Or, you could just wait a few months for a refresh when Intel releases an efficient processor that could support 32GB.
YES. My current 2014 MBP battery does not last more than a few hours under load either by the way.
You don't know what you are talking about. Here's the spec sheet of the 2016's MBP CPU directly from intel. Notice how it says "Max Memory Size (dependent on memory type) 32 GB"?
They support only 16GB if using LPDDR3, but other companies simply use DDR4 SO-DIMMs and sell systems with the same CPU with 32GB.
Wouldn't you be happier getting it in a few months with 32GB RAM and a great battery life? Apple released what they could that makes sense on a laptop. They're doing you a favor in a way. You will be much happier you didn't buy a power hog 32GB version when within a year a model comes out with double the battery life.
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Sigh. I am thinking about gritting my teeth, handing them my money and taking it up the a$$. The only reason for this is because of the Mac OS. I've owned PC's off and on. I currently own a Wacom Cintiq Pro with Windows 10. Windows has come a very long way, but after all these years, the Mac OS remains the better OS. And I will always choose the best GUI and the most stable system, even if it means more expensive hardware with less power, over the cheaper and less stable product.
Apple is damned lucky that Jobs installed such a solid foundation for their computers, because that is the only thing that is keeping the rest of their pro users from jumping ship. But frankly, relying on their OS to maintain their creative user base won't last forever. With every lackluster pro system release, and continuous delays in upgrading their pro products, more and more pro uses are leaving. Eventually I will too if they keep moving towards a pro machine that is as thin as a piece of paper with 0 ports and a mobile processor. As cool and sleek as it would be, I really don't want a wafer thin computer that has no utility other than messaging cute stickers to people and browsing Facebook.
Showcasing their Touch Bar with emojis was ridiculous. It reminded me of the moment I first opened Apple's new Final Cut X and a splash page popped up on the screen that said "Import Your Project from iMovie". I knew at that moment that Apple had ditched the professional users for the consumers and that things were not going to be the same from that point on.
I am still using a 2011 17" Macbook Pro with a 2.3ghz i7 Quad Core processor, 16GB of DDR3 memory, Thunderbolt port, internal 500GB Samsung Pro SSD and a second internal 2 TB Samsung Pro SSD (replaced optical drive). It still works amazingly well, even better than when I first got it thanks to the SSDs. I can't see me using the latest Macbook Pro for 5 years and being happy about it. It's got dated internal components and it hasn't even shipped yet. I want to upgrade, but dammit, perhaps I'll just wait another year and see what they do... if they do anything at all.
Apple is damned lucky that Jobs installed such a solid foundation for their computers, because that is the only thing that is keeping the rest of their pro users from jumping ship. But frankly, relying on their OS to maintain their creative user base won't last forever. With every lackluster pro system release, and continuous delays in upgrading their pro products, more and more pro uses are leaving. Eventually I will too if they keep moving towards a pro machine that is as thin as a piece of paper with 0 ports and a mobile processor. As cool and sleek as it would be, I really don't want a wafer thin computer that has no utility other than messaging cute stickers to people and browsing Facebook.
Showcasing their Touch Bar with emojis was ridiculous. It reminded me of the moment I first opened Apple's new Final Cut X and a splash page popped up on the screen that said "Import Your Project from iMovie". I knew at that moment that Apple had ditched the professional users for the consumers and that things were not going to be the same from that point on.
I am still using a 2011 17" Macbook Pro with a 2.3ghz i7 Quad Core processor, 16GB of DDR3 memory, Thunderbolt port, internal 500GB Samsung Pro SSD and a second internal 2 TB Samsung Pro SSD (replaced optical drive). It still works amazingly well, even better than when I first got it thanks to the SSDs. I can't see me using the latest Macbook Pro for 5 years and being happy about it. It's got dated internal components and it hasn't even shipped yet. I want to upgrade, but dammit, perhaps I'll just wait another year and see what they do... if they do anything at all.
Why isn't Microsoft using it on their Surface Books? Unlike Apple, they are competing against these 32GB laptops that also run Windows, but they decided to go with 16gb for some reason. My guess is weight and battery power, but maybe they just want to push potential buyers to another Windows laptop?
Or the fact that PC OEMs were offering 32 GB of DDR3 in 2011-2012 on some of their lines in the high $1,000 range. That was four years ago. You can get 64 GB of RAM in some laptops now. Sometimes ECC RAM. Some of these actual Pro machines even offer TB3.
Edit: How in the hell did this thread get to 30+ pages in 12 hours?
That pic has been posted every page in this thread. I agree with the Ethernet port being a pro feature but The MBP hasnt featured one in a long time, at least not the retina model. I've had to use a dongle for a while to hard wire my internet connection. It's a bit too soon to judge the touch bar. Let's at least see what they can do and what developers come up with over the next few years.
Because they know people who want all that power would buy something like the Surface Studio and only use the Surface Pro on the go where battery life is the most important thing.
A "pro" can't do much with a drained battery.
They might all right. But I don't expect them too - they don't seem to think 16GB is important. And after the price hikes I expect the prices they will charge for 32GB will likely be extortionate.
Because the Surface Books are there to eat Apple's lunch in the designer crowd. MS knows full well there's a host of 32 and even 64GB PC laptops, ranging from ultrabooks to mobile workstations out there. They don't have to roll up that whole market all by themselves - Apple is no competition in the mobile engineering, data science and developer market. So, MS can focus on the Starbucks hipster crowd with deep pockets that uses Pro machines to do "something with media".
You missed the point. If it is just as easy to throw in 32GB without major downsides, there is no reason they wouldn't have done that with the Surface Book. If anything, 32GB would have been a selling point to hipsters that want to compare specs with their buddies that have MacBooks. Most people don't edit video all day, so a lot of this is about spec envy.
I cant find this on amazon. Ill keep looking though.Ummmm... that's just flatly untrue... you don't even need a gaming rig or lots of cash, it's possible in the ultrabook+ category for $2000....
And it's going up to Quadcore Kabylake in 2 months, and a Nvidia 10 series.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_pn_2?rh=i:aps,k:dell+laptop&page=3&sort=price-desc-rank&keywords=dell+laptop&ie=UTF8&qid=1478128221
Post a link. The $4k dell laptops dont have 32gb of ram. I smell a scam.
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It's just a copy/paste from Dell's own site.
http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/xps-15-9550-laptop
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Why would you be looking at Amazon and not Dell? Dell doesn't sell through Amazon.
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You need to look closely at your link. Its using desktop ram not laptop ram and its only one configuration.
Sorry if Im just a bit skeptical. If its too good to be true it is too good to be true. Its an ugly hack.... and its $2500 not $2000 like you originally said. Im not buying it. Correction the storage is 1TB on this hackintel device.
The DDR4 ram isn't as fast as DDR3 for Skylake processors.
http://www.howtogeek.com/238990/whats-the-difference-between-ddr3-and-ddr4-ram/
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Pro means some sort of profession that needs pro-level computer tech. Are you arguing the MacBook Pro was referring to professional ballerinas?
The Dell XPS 15 ultrabook got a Skylake Quadcore i7 with 32GB model over a year ago. For $2000, without the touch screen.
Blaming Intel only works for people totally ignoring the rest of the laptop industry.
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You need to look closely at your link. Its using desktop ram not laptop ram and its only one configuration.
Sorry if Im just a bit skeptical. If its too good to be true it is too good to be true.
How it is "desktop" ram? The DDR4-2133MHz is in every XPS. My partner has one (it's a 16GB non-touch model from last Spring) and it has 10+ hours battery life (it's at least all day, it's only ever charged at night).
It's in lots of configurations: you can upgrade from different models. You need to choose by screen and battery size vs additional HDD caddy/ Also Canada/EU have their own range of options (the one in my house came from the UK).
How is it "too good to be true"? It's downstairs in my kitchen! It exists!
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Because at the time when those thicker bodies were common, no other OEM offered anything more than 16 GB as an upgrade option for their mainstream lineup in 2012. On their professional portable range, they offered 16 GB base and up to 32 GB. Now it's 32 GB base and 64 GB optional. In late 2008, the unibody offered 4 GB standard with the option of going with 8 GB. At a time when a lot of PC OEMs were offering 6 GB base and up to 12 GB as an option. It wasn't until 2011 that both the 13" and the 15" could be expanded from 8 GB to 16 GB, however the base memory for both at the same time was still 4 GB. Even in 2012 they were offering 4-8 GB bases with the option of going to 16 GB. The list goes on and repeats during the third iteration of the MBP. It's ridiculous is what it is.