Professional Mac Users' Complaints List Grows After 'Disappointing' Apple Event

[Michael Scrip]

This thread is regarding MacBook Pro's. I wouldn't know anything about the desktop Macs. And neither would you. Until they are released that is.

I just wanna hear more about the "Intel delays" that you mentioned in post #484

Were there supposed to be a new Intel processors for these Macbook Pros... but they weren't ready yet?

If you're gonna talk about delays... at least explain it a little better

 

[oliversl]

Apple have had transitions ports in the past. How about magsafe and USB/Thunderbolt in one side, USB-C that nobody will ever use in the other side? You had one job Apple.

 

[Uofmtiger]

I've been also whining about how disappointed I have been with apple and it seems that I'm not alone. I honestly hope people won't buy these machines (unless they really have to), because they are not worth it. If I want a machine that is worth it (regardless of the os) I would say get anything from lenovo's thinkpad line or a surface pro 4 or surface book. They've got the nice WQHD's and the pixel sense displays now that can compete with the good old retina display and they just simply cost less, have more ports and are usually better expandable. The macbook will probably sell ok at the beginning, but sales will start slowing down already before christmas. I also find Schiller comment that "We care about what they love and what they are worried about" laughable. If they cared, they'd've churned out a new sub 1000€ mac, they wouldn't've alianted the pro-users, they would update their machines more regulardly, and they wouldn't over charge us to able to get powerful machines - something that is nowadays very important for 4k, VR, and many other upcoming technology to be developed.

Apple's CEO's are grey headed business men, something their pro-users most likely aren't. Apple just needs new people to streer the company forward. I also think Jony Ive or his mac-team is pretty much tapped out of fresh ideas. I would've considered it as a joke if someone said five years ago that in five years microsoft will be more innovative than apple. Now, however, no one's laughing anymore.

I'm just waiting for the stock-market to react to this. The reaction will, however, come only after the initial shopping spree is over in a month or two.

Yep, a lot of whiners out there.

Lenovo had the Superfish crap and I won't ever buy a computer from them. I did consider the Microsoft Surface Book, but the screen is 13.5 inches and I prefer 15.4. The Surface Book also maxes out at 16GB, so it doesn't solve this problem, anyway. I wonder if Microsoft users are whining, too?

The issue right now is that the 32GB laptops are either huge or have relatively short battery life (or both), so I think we are simply a year away from them making something that makes everyone happy (though, by then, the whiners will find some reason to need 64GB of RAM...how can they run 50 VMs and play COD with just 32GBs, after all?

 

[AdonisSMU]

If you're happy with 16GB of ram and you're not even in the market for a 15" MacBook, you're not even a part of the solution so stop being a part of the problem.
I'm a developer and today, right now, just running XCode, my browsers, my Git client, Spotify and running a Node server to test end points, I'm bumping into 13GB of memory.
This might not be a big deal now, but on a machine I can NOT physically upgrade? I need a 32GB memory option.
And stop telling me I should use a desktop for my uses. In 2014, a 13" with 16GB was powerful enough to fit my needs, a 15" was for powerful computing on the go. If what you're saying is true, the 15" shouldn't even exist since anything that requires more than 16GB of memory should just be done on a desktop.
How the hell is that innovative?
Let's be clear... If what people can accomplish on your flagship notebook actually LESSENS when you build a new one, you're a pathetic failure of a computer company. Simple, end of story.
I wasn't anchored to a desktop when I bought my Early 2013 15" Retina, why should I be anchored to my desktop in 2016 when I spend $2400 on a notebook?
The answer for us is simple: it's called the Dell XPS 15.

No one is happy about not having a good 32gig option. The thing is good 32gig options don't exist. The 32 gig options are priced sky high and they are hacked solutions that are suitable for desktop computers and not laptops computers. It makes sense to get a desktop if you need 32gigs of ram right now. That's the reality. Pie in the sky sounds good and all but the reality is that we simply aren't there yet in terms of chip performance for laptops in 2016.

 

[Exile714]

You want to tell me how to wash my hands and wipe my *ss too?

No but... please tell me you do those things.

 

[hotstreaks]

if apple could make a macbook with an ipad pro 3d touch display and merge ios with macos, most will be content, or at least ones who prefer a touch screen macbook.

if microsoftos (windows 10) could power all microsoft devices, why not appleos powering all apple devices.

 

[peter2]

Yep, a lot of whiners out there.
The issue right now is that the 32GB laptops are either huge or have relatively short battery life (or both), so I think we are simply a year away from them making something that makes everyone happy (though, by then, the whiners will find some reason to need 64GB of RAM...how can they run 50 VMs and play COD with just 32GBs, after all?

The Apple of the past would do something like this:

1. if the laptop is on a charger, enable the full amount of RAM
2. when on battery, half of the RAM is turned off, with user being able to manually turn it on.

If this is doable with graphics cards, why not memory. Half of it can be LPDDR, half the normal variant, if its not possible to have 32GB LPDDR. The thing is, Apple does not care enough. With their cash hoard they can engineer whatever they wish, including a custom ARM CPUs for notebooks instead of Intel's.

 

[cube]

Not with that processor. Nice try though.

That is not the point.

 

[TrueBlou]

No but... please tell me you do those things.

Though hopefully not in that order

 

[Abazigal]

The Apple of the past would do something like this:

1. if the laptop is on a charger, enable the full amount of RAM
2. when on battery, half of the RAM is turned off, with user being able to manually turn it on.

If this is doable with graphics cards, why not memory. Half of it can be LPDDR, half the normal variant, if its not possible to have 32GB LPDDR. The thing is, Apple does not care enough. With their cash hoard they can engineer whatever they wish, including a custom ARM CPUs for notebooks instead of Intel's.

Probably because graphics cards are not the same as ram?

Honestly, I can't see Apple doing something as inelegant as this. Can you even mix and match different types of ram without running into kernel panics and such?

 

[ayokkay]

A lot of these people are living in the past. We are where Steve Jobs predicted we'd be, living in a post-PC era where the market for high-end traditional computer products is a niche within an already tiny niche.

What Tim and Apple are doing is absolutely right for the company. Those complaining and hating on Apple and Tim are broadly speaking living in the dark ages.

Planet of the apes!

 

[Peperino]

A lot of these people are living in the past. We are where Steve Jobs predicted we'd be, living in a post-PC era where the market for high-end traditional computer products is a niche within an already tiny niche.

What Tim and Apple are doing is absolutely right for the company. Those complaining and hating on Apple and Tim are broadly speaking living in the dark ages.

What Steve Jobs did was innovation. Since he died, no revolutionary products (except the iwatch) has been released.
All the rest have been minor updates (memory, small design, hardrive, etc...).
Cook, Schiller and IVe are marketing people that are not innovating. THey are doing things for consumers and forgot about the Pros Market. The entire mac hardware line up is outdated. The Macpro was not updated in the last 3 years. Look at the Surface studio and look at the iMac....

Many long time mac users are extremely dissapointed...

 

[ayokkay]

Based on what? The tech nerds that listen to ATP? That's not a majority of anything.

Planet of the apes!

 

[Razorhog]

Been a Mac user for 10 years. Very strongly considering building a Windows 10 PC now instead of getting a new iMac to replace the iMac I'm using now. I think Apple should have at least mentioned the other Macs in this last event. Not mentioning the Mac Mini, iMac, or Mac Pro makes me feel like they are abandoning them. Even if they aren't, the next iterations will just be thinner and use outdated components. An upgradable desktop Mac would be my dream, has been for a long time, but that's not going to happen. I can no longer abide paying $3,000 for a machine that can't be upgraded. Meh.

 

[Wild-Bill]

I don't really get what is wrong with the new MBP.
I'm a web/software developer with a 2015MBP and next year i'm going to renews plan and i like the idea of the new smaller lighter mbp.
touchbar has potential

So glad you decided to register TODAY to post that.

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

Read this reddit thread. I work in Hollywood and everyone is really excited about the new MBPs

 

[AdonisSMU]

Been a Mac user for 10 years. Very strongly considering building a Windows 10 PC now instead of getting a new iMac to replace the iMac I'm using now. I think Apple should have at least mentioned the other Macs in this last event. Not mentioning the Mac Mini, iMac, or Mac Pro makes me feel like they are abandoning them. Even if they aren't, the next iterations will just be thinner and use outdated components. An upgradable desktop Mac would be my dream, has been for a long time, but that's not going to happen. I can no longer abide paying $3,000 for a machine that can't be upgraded. Meh.

Stop writing and just build it.

 

[Pootmatoot]

No one is happy about not having a good 32gig option. The thing is good 32gig options don't exist. The 32 gig options are priced sky high and they are hacked solutions that are suitable for desktop computers and not laptops computers. It makes sense to get a desktop if you need 32gigs of ram right now. That's the reality. Pie in the sky sounds good and all but the reality is that we simply aren't there yet in terms of chip performance for laptops in 2016.

Ummmm... that's just flatly untrue... you don't even need a gaming rig or lots of cash, it's possible in the ultrabook+ category for $2000....


And it's going up to Quadcore Kabylake in 2 months, and a Nvidia 10 series.

 

[AdonisSMU]

Ummmm... that's just flatly untrue... you don't even need a gaming rig or lots of cash, it's possible in the ultrabook+ category for $2000....


And it's going up to Quadcore Kabylake in 2 months, and a Nvidia 10 series.

As I said it's not here yet. Call me when it's released.

 

[Razorhog]

Stop writing and just build it.

You know, you are probably right but I'll see what the next iMac has to offer. I have very low expectations. Yes it will probably be thinner, blah blah. Rather than building a Windows gaming rig I'll probably get the Xbox Scorpio. Then I'll buy a new Mac Mini for other use, or build a PC, or...something. I'm giving this scenario a year to play out and save some money.

 

[Pootmatoot]

As I said it's not here yet. Call me when it's released.

It is here now on Skylake! Now! And has been for a year!

 

[TrueBlou]

Read this reddit thread. I work in Hollywood and everyone is really excited about the new MBPs

Yeah thing is I do agree with much of it. I am being hard on the new MacBooks but it's literally just one thing, one area of disappointment and obviously that's the memory.
That's only because I, like many others, had hoped that after all this time the new MacBooks would finally allow more RAM and break free of the 16GB limit. Sadly that's not to be, yet. I fully expect a minor refresh next year adding more RAM options.

Other than that I really do like the system. Yeah it's on average about £500 more than its predecessor and it's not quite as innovative as say a Surface Book, but it's more powerful than its predecessor. I do like the Touch Bar, I think it could offer up some nice features. I don't care that it's all USB-C, I'm all for pushing forward with technology and I don't mind the occasional dongle to cope while the rest of my hardware gets changed accordingly.

I'm decidedly torn, I'd like one but I am disappointed with the memory situation and for once even I think that it's a little over priced for what we're getting. Ultimately I think I'll try and hold off for a year and see what happens with the inevitable refresh.

 

[Workerbee Redux]

Even my company server (single server not VM core) also not using 64 GB RAM.

See, that's the difference. Servers at the company I work for have something like 576GB RAM and there's a couple of them crunching data. My mobile workstation has 16GB and I frequently can start a job and grab a coffee because it will be nearly unusable for some time. In January, I'll get a 32GB replacement. It will (again) be from Dell.

There's more than PS and Indesign, there are lots of people doing data science and machine learning. And they need RAM before anything else. Virtual Memory doesn't cut it if lots of threads are competing for RAM and CPU.

 

[0388631]

Don't understand why apple charge €240 for 8GB of RAM when the actual cost is €40, same for che CPU and SSD upgrades.

You don't know? It's a premium product!

/s

It's all Samsung, SK Hynix and other commonly found parts you'd find at a store. Their SSDs are just a PCIe SSD with Apple's own connector.

 

[Manatlt]

You're assuming the world is just going to run out and drop $1,799+ on these new MacBook Pros with USB-C. That takes time. Maybe next year.

Yeah, I certainly won't. Which is why these MacBooks are fail. Especially in the UK, where the prices are even worse.

Then Apple has a solution for you. For only $25, all of your problems are solved. http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0X2AM/A/usb-c-to-lightning-cable-1-m

LOL!

So I just bought a $2000 laptop and a $700 phone...and buying a dongle (which makes my laptop less portable) makes my $2700's worth of equipment compatible!

When with the previous MacBook I never needed a dongle in the first place! Thanks Apple. Thanks for making things more complicated and thank you for forcing my hand to spend an extra $25 to you if I want to use my phone with the Mac.