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its $2500 not $2000 like you originally said. Im not buying it. The storage is 32GB. WTF?!

That's the touch-screen model - it comes as non-touch for $500 less.

It's 1TB SDD.... what do you mean 32GB storage?

It's not a "hack"... it's the laptop that won the bulk of industry and critic awards at CES last year...
 
This is total ********. Xiaomi is making $1000 notebook with better specs and same design and thinness. The only difference is Mac OS, which is $20-$100

MacBook and Air's used to be "stylish" computers for those who anted portability and needed a stylish product.

Pro users run powers and performance sensitive programs. There is no way you can really work with whatever battery and power efficience without your computer being plugged for more than 3-4 hours. Where the heck is MagSafe?

Macbook Pro was used to have an award from PC Magazine for being the best Windows notebook on market. This is how PRO it used to be. And now? Mediocre specs, no connectivity, extremely high price.

This is exactly the path how Sony went out of Vaio business. Good luck Apple, but honestly, good luck to us, people who want to JUST F**UNG WORK ON APPLE HARDWARE
 
I'd be surprised if he can work a computer.


He's been in upper management for the last 20 years: his workflow is likely email, spreadsheets, and reviewing documents.

His love of the iPad Pro as a laptop-replacement is because that's clearly his use-case.
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Macbook Pro was used to have an award from PC Magazine for being the best Windows notebook on market. This is how PRO it used to be. And now? Mediocre specs, no connectivity, extremely high price.


Heh, I once has a MBP just for entirely using Windows on Bootcamp for that very reason, seperate from my main MBP (so my Windows machine could have maximum storage allocation).

I suspect this cycle, there are going to be one hell of a lot Dell XPS15 hackintoshes.
 
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I just wanna hear more about the "Intel delays" that you mentioned in post #484

Were there supposed to be a new Intel processors for these Macbook Pros... but they weren't ready yet?

If you're gonna talk about delays... at least explain it a little better :)

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/07/21/intel-begins-shipping-kaby-lake-processors/

https://aragonresearch.com/new-macbook-pro-did-intel-chips-delay-the-launch/

http://www.universityherald.com/art...o-bring-major-upgrade-in-processor-rumors.htm

http://en.yibada.com/articles/15270...ut-with-initial-models-running-on-skylake.htm

I can keep going....
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That is not the point.
Its completely the point. Configure a Dell XPS 13 with more than 16gb of Ram and let me know how that works out for you.
 
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Heh, I once has a MBP just for entirely using Windows on Bootcamp for that very reason, seperate from my main MBP (so my Windows machine could have maximum storage allocation).

I suspect this cycle, there are going to be one hell of a lot Dell XPS15 hackintoshes.

A friend of mine was doing that and claiming that it is faster that way))
 
A friend of mine was doing that and claiming that it is faster that way))

Until premium Windows brands got great trackpads a couple of years ago when Microsoft cracked the whip, it was the only way to get a great Windows trackpad!

Thankfully, most premium Windows trackpads are now as pleasant as Apple's.
 
I'm not sure I agree with the complaints in this article. Yes, there are some 'pros' who want all the ports, or a mega-laptop with top notch GPU, etc. while on the go...

But, for many Pros, it's not like they do most of their pro work on a 13 or 15" screen. They want the same computer mobile that they use at the desk. But, when at the desk, they can easily plug into a dock (in fact it's more convenient than plugging in a bunch-o-cables each time) and solve the GPU problem with an eGPU. It's kind of where the Mac Pro was headed, but finally viable (i.e. bus speed of TB3 up to the task).

It seems to have the power needed to get most pro jobs done on the road (with constraints, yes, but the screen size is already one), while expandable enough on the desk. The biggest problem I see, is the limit to 16GB of RAM (that was a dumb trade-off IMO), but I think the previous models maxed out at 16GB, correct? That's really my only concern with this machine, but 16GB is probably OK for most pros. (Oh, also how good the cooling is... if it can't take on heavy CPU/GPU utilization on a regular basis, w/o damaging internal components, then it's not Pro. Older MBPs couldn't take it... hopefully this one can better with such low-power chips.)

My beefs are more around how long this took, and what about the other Macs? But, even more problematic is the OS (especially UI changes, both for macOS and iOS) and many of Apple's marketing-driven (vs UX-driven) moves in recent years. Those things are at the core of what makes Apple, Apple. Without them, the productivity goes and it doesn't matter much what nifty new hardware they produce.

You don't get it. Those Pro's already have a computer that is doing everything you specified. Many of them have this computer for up to 5 years around and the want something BETTER to do more thing, faster, more efficient.

The only thing this new computers can do better is to type emoji's, that's it.
 
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Its completely the point. Configure a Dell XPS 13 with more than 16gb of Ram and let me know how that works out for you.


I don't think anyone's expecting the MacBook 13 to have 32GB, but the 15 inch?

Other 15inch (year old) ultrabooks have 32GB and Skylake.
 
Brilliant... thanks for digging this up. So true... Apple fans and "pro" users are always a fickle bunch of doomsayers. Yep... nothing new under the sun. Apple is doing what it always does, and all will be just fine.


In 2008, Macbook Pros were still far and away the best made laptops and some of the highest mobile specs.

There're now releasing year-old mid-range tech for twice the price as cutting edge, equal physical quality, far more powerful rivals.

The world around Apple has changed. There are now options.
 
The event was good...

There may be an even increasing disappearance of ports every year and dongles u must pay for, but isn't this just a disappearance of the headphone jack, only on a much larger scale ? (Taking out of the equation better audio and all the things Apple backup that up)

Reckon people criticism make a good point... Apple is loosing ports every year for thinnest, at the expense of selling u more dongles if u need a particular port, u must get a dongle if u want to use other connections u would not have to if u only kept 215 Macbook Pro Retina .

This just could just be one huge "transition." The 16 Gig ram issues too. but this is what happens when u favor something more than other things... You cripple yourself.
 
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Brilliant... thanks for digging this up. So true... Apple fans and "pro" users are always a fickle bunch of doomsayers. Yep... nothing new under the sun. Apple is doing what it always does, and all will be just fine.


There's one thing that's definitely new under the sun. The competition. Years ago Apple were unmatched for quality, the competition weren't even close. But now, well they haven't just caught up to Apple, in some cases they've raced past Apple to offer the kind of innovation that I'd have expected Apple to be the ones introducing.

The tables are turning, Apple are slowly but surely becoming the "big brother" from their own 1984 advert, while the rest of the industry pushes the power bar higher and the unique innovations further.

The only thing tying me to Apple now are their operating systems and I don't think those alone will keep me indefinitely. If not for those I'd probably be lured away by some of the interesting, more affordable and/or more powerful hardware that's being introduced in the Windows world. It's really rather annoying, I'd be a lot happier if it were Apple introducing some of those devices.

The Surface Book really appeals to me, sure it suffers from some of the same constraints as the MacBook, but it makes up for it with versatility. I do generally agree that a touchscreen laptop isn't high on my list of wants. But that touchscreen doesn't have to be a touchscreen all of the time. That's where I feel Apple are looking at it wrong. In laptop mode, it could be just like the MacBooks we already know, but pluck the screen off and it becomes an iPad Pro, that's the kind of two in one I'd love.
 
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Because they know people who want all that power would buy something like the Surface Studio and only use the Surface Pro on the go where battery life is the most important thing.

A "pro" can't do much with a drained battery.


This gets old. many pro users know their battery will drain in an hour off house power regardless. We use these as workstations.

CPU pegged at 100%, fans blowing full time, is the norm and not the exception for some if not many users. TBH, this is how I know when my mid to large FCP projects are done running. the fans stop running.

Set up the process, start it up, let her run and let her do her thing. She gets full system use for as long as she needs. Turn chair to right, xbox one time. MBP goes silent an hour later it can mean 1 of 2 things. render or export done....or MBP is potentially dead.

A watched pot never boils as they say, it applies here all too well lol. Case of one noise removal plugin I use for FCP....I just accept 1+ hour rendering and move on. Been a life saver for some club shoots I have done where lighting horrendous and I am in high iso ranges I hate to be in but have no choice for the shoot. Its just given limits of apple hardware (its open cl aware even...why I want better video cards to work this better, and more memory would not be kicked out of bed either) it takes a while to run.


Power ratings of 5+ hours of minimal use (mild internet and video playback the standard this measured by)...not of much use to us. Off house power with extensive say pic or video work 5 hour runtimes not happening regardless. More likely 50 minutes...I have seen this on days I forget my power adapter and trying to at least stage files in editors used on lunch breaks, maybe start low level project stuff.
 
Until premium Windows brands got great trackpads a couple of years ago when Microsoft cracked the whip, it was the only way to get a great Windows trackpad!
I must have missed that. What did MS do? I always liked the stuff put out by Synaptics.
 
I must have missed that. What did MS do? I always liked the stuff put out by Synaptics.

They harmonised drivers, and new standards how Windows 8/10 handled them.

I've no idea if it worked at the budget end (or even if it's possible with cheap tech), but it means that the serious laptops from manufacturers like Microsoft, Dell, HP, Razer etc have proper, reliable, Mac-esque pads.
 
They harmonised drivers, and new standards how Windows 8/10 handled them.

I've no idea if it worked at the budget end (or even if it's possible with cheap tech), but it means that the serious laptops from manufacturers like Microsoft, Dell, HP, Razer etc have proper, reliable, Mac-esque pads.
Oh. For some reason I thought you were talking about the 7 era and how MS was fed up with OEMs during the Vistapades TM.
 
Seems like people are never happy. So as far as the Kaby Lake delay apple has no control of that. Had they waited then people would complain about that as well. I've seen multiple posts pointing that out and they are ignored in favor of complaining.
 
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Ha ha, thanks. And you know I would totally buy that too.
The irony is, Apple has actually integrated Core Animation and other frameworks into macOS which allow them to build a highly animated, efficient UI with smooth transitions and scrolling. A three finger swipe between spaces still feels like sci-fi. Microsofts future vision always includes these depthless glass surfaces which magically become control screens. But when Apple introduces a working device with a slightly thinner body, complainers be like 'nobody asked for this' kind of innovation. We want big and heavy schleptops with a lot of legacy ports and spinning disks in them! Oh, really?
 
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Hololens was never meant to be an actual product. It inspired multiple products. It's also still an active program within Microsoft. Majority OEMs are now offering NVME as a boot drive with an option SSD as a second, another NVME or a spinning mechanical. You could even opt for a bigger battery if none of those tickle your fancy.
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Ha ha, thanks. And you know I would totally buy that too.
You can buy a surface hub now.

https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Surface-Hub/productID.319840600

We're still several years away from being able to use aluminium oxynitride instead of glass. It's still fairly expensive per square inch.
 
Seems like people are never happy. So as far as the Kaby Lake delay apple has no control of that. Had they waited then people would complain about that as well. I've seen multiple posts pointing that out and they are ignored in favor of complaining.
Well, not shipping Haswell processors up until 1 week ago, would have been a good start.

Had Apple upgraded the internals a long time ago, perhaps a wait for the upcoming CPU would have been a whole lot easier.

Or you could keep in blaming Intel for Apple still selling a Haswell processor in their top MBP, in October of 2016.
 
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I stand in support of the aggrieved Pro users dissatisfied with that latest iteration of MBPs. I think they have many valid points. Unfortunately, anything said here in this forum will have very little impact at all. If it upsets or angers you that much - which clearly it does - might I suggest the following:

1) Mail a hand written letter to Apple : you can guarantee an assistant or intern will ultimately be the one who opens it, but if enough are received, certainly it will gain some level of attention (though will undoubtedly change little).

2) Send an email to Tim Cook : while seemingly a long shot, i have done this when i had a specific iphone issue, and was contacted by an executive assistant from his office and the problem was solved (a refund).

3) Boycott the new MBP : seemingly the same as above - not gonna change the damage done, but buying the thing you so loathe certainly doesn't help the cause.
 
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