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I find that this forum has done me great good. It has allowed me access to multiple opinions, taught me how to correspond with tact, and has even opened my mind on certain opinions I'd previously been staunch with.

At times, it has really bothered me that I have to be careful of verbal landmines to avoid punishment.

However, I think it is also changing the way I learn to navigate conversation with people from all different mind frames.

Overall, I agree that politics and technology should not isolated from one another. After all, isn't Tim Cooks name constantly in the PRSI forum due to his involvement with many things outside of tech?
 
I look at it as a point of reference and not an insult of a group.
[doublepost=1521908724][/doublepost]The main problem I see with PRSI is that it can often get monotonous.

People should mix things up in PRSI and occasionally start a thread that doesn't concern Trump :).

Agreed. It's one if the reasons I started going there less and less. That and trolls. I mean, Trump is completely unfit to run a Game Stop, much less a country, but the endless threads about literally every dumb thing he says (which is what, dozens of times daily?), got old.

I remember the great days of 20-page threads discussing unemployment, wages, healthcare, sex, or any number of topics, with wide ranges of opinions. Now, it's pretty much "Trump licked the snot off his fingers" and responses of "But Hillary's emails!"
 
The same could be said about the tech side of this site too. After launch we have lots of traffic and then within a couple of weeks everything has been discussed to death. iPhones barely change year on year and the same with iPads. If PRSI disappeared I’d probably only visit for 2 months of the year. Maybe that would be a good thing though for me? lol
 
PRSI could be canned tomorrow and few would notice.

It was engaging in its old days, but it's more shout than debate now. Waste of time.
It would be interesting to know if the numbers actually support that. Can a mod give us any insight into PRSI traffic compared to other forums?
 
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It would be interesting to know if the numbers actually support that. Can a mod give us any insight into PRSI traffic compared to other forums?

We don't have statistics on traffic levels by forum over a given time period, but you can estimate the PRSI percentage of total forum activity based on the number of threads in the forum. If you hover over the forum name on the forum home page, it shows that there are 24.4K PRSI threads. That's 1.2% of the 2.1 million total forum threads.
 
We don't have statistics on traffic levels by forum over a given time period, but you can estimate the PRSI percentage of total forum activity based on the number of threads in the forum. If you hover over the forum name on the forum home page, it shows that there are 24.4K PRSI threads. That's 1.2% of the 2.1 million total forum threads.
My guess is that the percent of posts would be higher than the percent of threads, as I imagine the average thread length is longer. Have any data on that?
 
My guess is that the percent of posts would be higher than the percent of threads, as I imagine the average thread length is longer. Have any data on that?

I would certainly imagine that powerful forum software would be able to output a list of number of posts per hour/day/month/etc. for any given sub-forum. I would really love to see how forum traffic has changed over time.
 
That would fix the dumpster fire known as the PRSI. I've said this many times, I don't see the need for a political forum at a technology fan sight.

I would not be sad or troubled if MacRumors decided to do away with the PRSI forum.

It was suggested that it read "Temporarily in the Pit of Misery" but that was too long

Dilly, dilly!
 
This again?

For those who never go in there and want to see it trashed or overhauled into something they might find palatable, why would anyone canvas market opinion with people who don't like or use the product? It's the grit in the oyster and a brand-building institution. Think different, remember.

Having modded there, it's also a porous cage of sorts; a venus fly trap for those who are passionate but perhaps a little unhealthily intense about something more than battery life, nato straps and what Jimmy Iovine is having for breakfast. It was there before many of you. Leave it be.

And for the argument that it used to be better, more in-depth, more profound – that (probably) was in the days when most access to the site was from desktops, not mobile; when the forum's audiences skewed largely to a different demographic of middle-aged desktop Mac users, when news sites hadn't been cannibalised by social media and clickbait and a ton more besides. The incentives were completely different. People had time on their hands. It was a step up on newsboards. If you hadn't noticed, blogging is no longer much of a huge thing either.

My biggest concerns with it were always about brand safety of MacRumors and the reputational risk of certain types of political expression running unchecked, but that can always be addressed with good governance. Actually, that's a noble lie. It was mostly always about mixing it up and stomping stupidity.

A perennial and recurring favorite, I'm taking bets on how long we'll wait before a new version of this thread is initiated again.
 
I'm late by a few months but I just wanted to pop in and rant here about why the PRSI forum has in my opinion ruined MacRumors.

Literally every single post is bashing others who disagree with you. There is no meaningful conversation whatsoever, it's just the same insult rehashed over and over, making fun of people who are on the opposite political side, and just pointless, endless cynicism. Over a year ago, I made a sarcastic thread with "Trump" in the title, where I was partially saying what I'm saying now, as well as complaining about the state of politics in general. Immediately people started unironically blaming me and humiliating me, clearly not having read anything other than the title. Not a single thread consists of logical arguments. I can't find one. Every time someone posts a thread with an attempt at having a real legitimate argument, people go off-topic or start throwing insults. Additionally you can't reply with a legitimate argument, because you're automatically made fun of, or best case scenario, completely ignored.

Now why am I saying that it has ruined the website if I can just not go to the forum? Well the first problem is that it always shows up on the side of the main page, even if you have it blacklisted. And I can't think of a single time where I went to the website and one of the recent posts WASN'T a reply to a PRSI thread. On top of that every time there's even the slightest mention of politics outside of this forum people bring an argument in there. News articles that even mention politics are automatically sent to the PRSI forum, where, you guessed it, people argue about the same crap they've argued before. Even worse, I recall that occasionally, a regular non-political news post that just happened to have something sensitive about it had people hijack it and have the thread sent to the PRSI forum. My biggest problem is simply the fact that it made people on this website in general more aggressive, more pretentious, more cynical, and what should have been a simple website to discuss Apple products, other technology, and so on now has become a place of permanent flaming and complaining (yes, I know). While it's true that the constant arguments about whether Apple has gotten worse or whether the iPhone X is too expensive are excessive and have gotten tiring, most of them are really only fueled by the negative atmosphere of this website, which as mentioned previously is a result of PRSI.

I'll be blunt - kill it. PRSI is a pest that's invading and destroying the rest of the website, making people upset and destroying the potentially friendly nature of the site (after all, aren't all users here Apple users to some extent or another?) due to the excessive political polarisation. After I realised how much this forum was affecting my mental health I stopped going to it and every time I do go here I often regret it. There is no point to it, other than maybe driving website traffic. But if that's the only reason, maybe that just says something about MacRumors, but I won't make any other assumptions.
 
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If you got rid of PRSI then this site would be nothing but topics about ‘should I get the new iPhone’ or ‘I think there is a scratch the size of a grain of sand on my new iPhone’.

PRSI keeps the traffic up here and I’ve seen so many forums die when certain sections are taken away.

I am surprised by how much racism and xenophobia is allowed in there though. I think this being a US website where freedom of speech is promoted encourages this. If this was a European site I think the admins would be busy banning people and perhaps the section wouldn’t exist at all.
 
I am surprised by how much racism and xenophobia is allowed in there though. I think this being a US website where freedom of speech is promoted encourages this. If this was a European site I think the admins would be busy banning people and perhaps the section wouldn’t exist at all.

Ironically, this kind of response proves my point even more. Most arguments on PRSI are people throwing buzzwords around. You have this one opinion that I don't agree with? Racist!!!

Get rid of PRSI, no matter the cost. If the website has any value, then it will remain alive even without a political tantrum perpetually going on. If the website dies off because of this, then it probably means that it didn't have any value to begin with and deserved to die.
 
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Ironically, this kind of response proves my point even more. Most arguments on PRSI are people throwing buzzwords around. You have this one opinion that I don't agree with? Racist!!!

Get rid of PRSI, no matter the cost. If the website has any value, then it will remain alive even without a political tantrum perpetually going on. If the website dies off because of this, then it probably means that it didn't have any value to begin with and deserved to die.
I certainly don’t through buzzwords around and am commenting on what I see in there. I’d be fine with getting rid of the section if it was universally called for. I know I’d seldom visit if it was because i see very little to discuss about iPhones or iPads these days.

Surely PRSI is just a section you could avoid? I’m not sure what difference it makes.
 
Overall, I agree that politics and technology should not isolated from one another. After all, isn't Tim Cooks name constantly in the PRSI forum due to his involvement with many things outside of tech?

Spot on.

People should not react so sensitive when politics are involved i.m.h.o. Not subjects with politic content should be abandoned but clear improper behaviour, like swearing and name calling without any purpose other than trying to insult the other person.

Politics are often bound to various tech related subjects, i.m.h.o it’s not a sin to address it that way. People who dislike a certain topic, either due it’s political content or due an ongoing debate that they don’t find interesting enough to take part of, can simply avoid these topics. It’s an open platform and I think that most visitors are adult enough to make up their own minds if they should avoid a topic or not right? Some topics one might like while other topics are being avoided, just like life itself, you don’t have to like everything, it would be a boring place in here if every topic would be just one positive chear towards Apple products and towards the people responsible for making them.

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Surely PRSI is just a section you could avoid? I’m not sure what difference it makes.

Precisely my point. Thumbs up from extremely warm Amsterdam the Netherlands.
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I am surprised by how much racism and xenophobia is allowed in there though. I think this being a US website where freedom of speech is promoted encourages this. If this was a European site I think the admins would be busy banning people and perhaps the section wouldn’t exist at all.

I think that’s up for a moderator to decide. But i.m.h.o if any comment consists of clear racism language where there is no doubt then it should be deleted, but only when it’s perfectly clear. Xenophobia is a bit tricky, it consist often of remarks that resembles fear, often of the “unknown”. Even tough I dispise xenofobia, it doesn’t mean a person acting in such way always adresses hate to another person.

But in general I’m in favour of free speech, as long there is no clear intention to insult or harm a person which doesn’t contribute in a meaningful way to an ongoing debate. I guess “respect” to each other is the key here.
 
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Ironically, this kind of response proves my point even more. Most arguments on PRSI are people throwing buzzwords around. You have this one opinion that I don't agree with? Racist!!!

Get rid of PRSI, no matter the cost. If the website has any value, then it will remain alive even without a political tantrum perpetually going on. If the website dies off because of this, then it probably means that it didn't have any value to begin with and deserved to die.
Or simply don't go into that forum and it will never be an issue.
 
I still find it difficult to understand why people who's main interest is politics come to a tech site for their daily fix. :confused:
Because you can say a lot and get away with it, while untrue of other forums with more lax moderation.
 
I wouldn't miss PRSI if MacRumers took it away, but I find it entertaining to read the comments and I sometimes comment here on PRSI. Since I lean right (though I'm not a conservative) I have to be careful how I respond for people on the left can be a little sensitive, but I'm not talking the regular posters but the moderators. I not knocking that for that is their right to have a bias and I should had known better with this being an Apple tech forum. ;)
PRSI is just reflecting the times we live in, where the issues take a back seat and people don't have to be civil because they can hide behind a keyboard. I personally don't hide behind a keyboard, for it would be pretty easy to find my real name and a little background information with a few mouse clicks or taps of the finger.
 
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...I have to be careful how I respond for people on the left can be a little sensitive, but I'm not talking the regular posters but the moderators. I not knocking that for that is their right to have a bias and I should had known better with this being an Apple tech forum. ;)

The moderators only moderate on the basis of the rules. We do not have the same political leanings, and we're fine with any opinion as long as it's stated within the rules. The rules are in place for one reason only: to keep discussions civil.

If every user had the same poltical opinion, discussions would be very boring.

PRSI is just reflecting the times we live in, where the issues take a back seat and people don't have to be civil because they can hide behind a keyboard.

We do expect users to be civil.
 
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