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As has been stated over the years, ad nauseam, users are only ever suspended/banned after an accumulation of rules violations which shows a pattern of disregard for them and their fellow forum goers.

The content of a post that is moderated usually isn't the problem, but rather the context in how that content is presented can be in violation of the rules. Whatever it was that led to your suspension wasn't based on a one-liner, but very likely was a pattern of trolling perhaps and that one was the straw that broke the camels back, per se.

You've probably accrued enough rules violations that they put you in temporary suspension. With each new violation you will be put into longer suspensions until such a time that the staff has had enough of it and then you will get banned for good. Users of the forum agree to abide by the rules when they register and when they don't, they have consequences. Their forum, their rules.

No one on staff here allows their personal beliefs to color their moderator responsibility. I know this from first-hand experience being a former staffer here. The staff is comprised of people whose political opinions fall across the entire spectrum for left to right to in the middle and are from all parts of the globe - not just the united States.

They have a set of rules and guidelines they have to follow as staff and their oversight comes from the administrators and the site owner. There are checks and balances here and sometimes they make mistakes and moderation is reviewed and when appropriate, reversed.

If you ever want to dispute something, send them a contact message (as outlined in the reminder you receive) and the admins will review it.

As usual, members who get into trouble and lash out blaming everyone else and the staff and rarely take ownership and responsibility for their actions.
Thank you for the detailed post. I just fail to see how so many conservative voices are being banned over "small" infractions yet liberal voices don't get banned.

I have sent them several messages since I got banned, and I have not heard back. I may send a letter to the registered agent address of MacRumors, LLC and I may also send this to a few conservative news outlets I have good affiliations with.
 
Thank you for the detailed post. I just fail to see how so many conservative voices are being banned over "small" infractions yet liberal voices don't get banned.

I have sent them several messages since I got banned, and I have not heard back. I may send a letter to the registered agent address of MacRumors, LLC and I may also send this to a few conservative news outlets I have good affiliations with.
It sometimes takes longer than you think it might to hear back from the staff with the contact us button.
 
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A number of posts were removed. This thread is to discuss the PRSI forum, not PRSI content, i.e., this is not the place to discuss Trump

Apologies about that. I should have known better. :p
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I have come to the conclusion that efforts to moderate the discussion on the PRSI sub forum are a lost cause given the current political climate. It should either be deleted or turned into a moderation-free thunderdome-style zone.

Seems like a huge waste of moderator time, that said I can only imagine how hostile it would get without moderation. I’m conflicted on whether it should be deleted or moderation-free. I’d be happy with moderation-free as long as the forum could be updated so the political posts don’t show up on the Latest Threads on the right when going to Forums.
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Thank you for the detailed post. I just fail to see how so many conservative voices are being banned over "small" infractions yet liberal voices don't get banned.

I have sent them several messages since I got banned, and I have not heard back. I may send a letter to the registered agent address of MacRumors, LLC and I may also send this to a few conservative news outlets I have good affiliations with.

Awww, you got banned? :( I’ll be 100% honest, I was surprised that someone so publicly pro ***** was let to post so long. Lol. Speaking from my own experience here, the mods have done a very good job at trying to be non-partisan - from what little I’ve seen. That said, I think it is a no-win scenario for the mods, both sides will call foul when banned. Going to miss your posts. One less reason for me to be at PRSI and causing problems for the mods. :p
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As has been stated over the years, ad nauseam, users are only ever suspended/banned after an accumulation of rules violations which shows a pattern of disregard for them and their fellow forum goers.

The content of a post that is moderated usually isn't the problem, but rather the context in how that content is presented can be in violation of the rules. Whatever it was that led to your suspension wasn't based on a one-liner, but very likely was a pattern of trolling perhaps and that one was the straw that broke the camels back, per se.

You've probably accrued enough rules violations that they put you in temporary suspension. With each new violation you will be put into longer suspensions until such a time that the staff has had enough of it and then you will get banned for good. Users of the forum agree to abide by the rules when they register and when they don't, they have consequences. Their forum, their rules.

No one on staff here allows their personal beliefs to color their moderator responsibility. I know this from first-hand experience being a former staffer here. The staff is comprised of people whose political opinions fall across the entire spectrum from left to right to in the middle and are from all parts of the globe - not just the United States.

They have a set of rules and guidelines they have to follow as staff and their oversight comes from the administrators and the site owner. There are checks and balances here and sometimes they make mistakes and moderation is reviewed and when appropriate, reversed.

If you ever want to dispute something, send them a contact message (as outlined in the reminder you receive) and the admins will review it.

As usual, members who get into trouble lash out blaming everyone else and the staff and rarely take ownership or responsibility for their actions.

Thanks for your post. Overall, I see the accuracy and truth in this in what little I know. You guys/gals try hard. Thanks for trying to make this place awesome. One of the few forums I frequent and spend a lot of time at (and have for quite some time now).

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To those I follow - I know I follow quite a few who have very opposite political views than mine - I find reading your posts very interesting. The years I’ve spent reading PRSI, I’ve seen conservative posters come and go - they are rare and far and few. If any (both sides) of you ever see me in real life, hit me up and I’ll buy you a drink/beer. I won’t be leaving Macrumors anytime soon but I think it’s best I don’t post in PRSI.
 
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Thank you for the detailed post. I just fail to see how so many conservative voices are being banned over "small" infractions yet liberal voices don't get banned.
Did you read the second paragraph in that post of mine? The staff doesn't give a flying **** about conservative or liberal voices (opinions) and do not ban anyone based on those viewpoints. Perhaps, and this is just speculation, those people who were banned were or are unable to comport themselves in a manner that allows for civil discourse and thus avoids violations of the forum rules.

I have sent them several messages since I got banned, and I have not heard back. I may send a letter to the registered agent address of MacRumors, LLC and I may also send this to a few conservative news outlets I have good affiliations with.
If you've sent a contact in, rest assured it will be answered. The last I knew there was only one person who comes in about once a week and answers the contacts that require some digging and investigation into moderation complaints. Sometimes that takes a while so be patient. There are other third-party admins who handle the day to day stuff like account problems and such and do not tackle problems related to moderation.

You can mail a letter to @arn as you've stated, but he'll turn it back over the admins to whom you've already, I assume, sent a contact to. You're not likely to get any faster response by doing so.
 
Thank you for the detailed post. I just fail to see how so many conservative voices are being banned over "small" infractions yet liberal voices don't get banned.

I have sent them several messages since I got banned, and I have not heard back. I may send a letter to the registered agent address of MacRumors, LLC and I may also send this to a few conservative news outlets I have good affiliations with.

Geez it is just a public forum where wankers occasionally post their extremely opinionated opinions
Its not like foreign and domestic policy decisions are being determined, the UN is being lobbied, or the fate of the world hangs in the balance
Nobody's oratory is swaying votes or changing lives, they are just thumping their chests and grunting for one side or the other

So why in the world would a news outlet, conservative or otherwise care about a user being banned on a Apple forum for being unable to abide by the stated rules?
 
Geez it is just a public forum where wankers occasionally post their extremely opinionated opinions
Its not like foreign and domestic policy decisions are being determined, the UN is being lobbied, or the fate of the world hangs in the balance
Nobody's oratory is swaying votes or changing lives, they are just thumping their chests and grunting for one side or the other

So why in the world would a news outlet, conservative or otherwise care about a user being banned on a Apple forum for being unable to abide by the stated rules?
We care greatly about censorship and anyway we can spread the word of X organization censoring voices, it deserves to be reported.
 
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Considering its privately owned and managed, and not the corner sidewalk, you must abide by their rules.

If you want no censorship, then start your own forum or blog.
“Free speech!” Is what people usually cry in these situations, yet this is privately owned. But, doesn’t mean there won’t be repurcussions for their actions.
 
Such as?

MacRumors is an Apple fan site, its role is to offer a place to discuss Apple technology. If you're that worked up about discussing politics, I highly recommend finding a forum that's focus is to discuss politics.
I’m just talking in general about a private business.

By the way, I’m not *that* worked up, but I suggest you say the same to those in the PSRI section.
 
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Thank you for the detailed post. I just fail to see how so many conservative voices are being banned over "small" infractions yet liberal voices don't get banned.

This is laughable. The fact that people like Zombie Acorn, lostngone, ThisIsNotMe, pdqgp, Rhonindk, and others are still allowed to post there is proof positive that there is no anti-conservative agenda going on. If those guys can continue to post their drivel without consequence, then there certainly is no anti-conservative moderating going on. Almost all of the more liberal voices form the past are gone, banned (including myself). But, the conservative-troll movement just keeps picking up steam. PRSI is far, far more conservative than it used to be, inhabited largely by obvious trolls at this point. If you think conservative voices are being silenced there, while liberals roam free, you are mistaken.

I'm almost glad I was removed from PRSI. I now stop by like once every couple of weeks just to see what's being talked about, and it's just not even interesting any more, and almost maddening. Used to be such a great place to debate, but the conservative troll-train has killed it.

I have sent them several messages since I got banned, and I have not heard back. I may send a letter to the registered agent address of MacRumors, LLC and I may also send this to a few conservative news outlets I have good affiliations with.

Wait...are you...serious? Send a letter to the registered owner of MacRumors, or contacting the news media over getting suspended from an online forum. And you guys call liberals, snowflakes? Bwahahahaah. Maybe we can start a safe-space forum. Nah....this is just another example of what has happened to PRSI.
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“Free speech!” Is what people usually cry in these situations, yet this is privately owned. But, doesn’t mean there won’t be repurcussions for their actions.

No...there won't.
 
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We care greatly about censorship and anyway we can spread the word of X organization censoring voices, it deserves to be reported.

PSRI should be renamed the Democrat Area :) that is my suggestion.
First and foremost, this forum is a business. You are allowed to freely visit here so long as you obey the rules.

If users adhered to strict debate rules, (as well as the rules of the forum) nobody would be getting banned from the forum in question. The problem is there are far too many grown adults who won't take responsibility for their own behavior. Instead, they rather blame other people and peripheral circumstances for what happened.

MacRumors doesn't owe you or anyone else anything. And your veiled threat to Arn's business here is clear for all to see.

If you are that unhappy with the forum in question, stay out of it. Problem solved.

Edited to add: If people can 't debate in a forum unless it is some kind of "free-for all," that means that the people arguing for romper room don't have the ability to debate in any meaningful manner. It is no different than people who curse all the time.

Edited to add part two: If the PSRI forum is hated by so many, there are plenty of other political forums to visit. Instead, the same people keep complaining about how awful it is. It is like a homeless person constantly complaining about a free, hot meal.

Either obey the rules or find somewhere else to be. Real easy, folks.
 
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First and foremost, this forum is a business. You are allowed to freely visit here so long as you obey the rules.

If users adhered to strict debate rules, (as well as the rules of the forum) nobody would be getting banned from the forum in question. The problem is there are far too many grown adults who won't take responsibility for their own behavior. Instead, they rather blame other people and peripheral circumstances for what happened.

MacRumors doesn't owe you or anyone else anything. And your veiled threat to Arn's business here is clear for all to see.

If you are that unhappy with the forum in question, stay out of it. Problem solved.

Edited to add: If people can 't debate in a forum unless it is some kind of "free-for all," that means that the people arguing for romper room don't have the ability to debate in any meaningful manner. It is no different than people who curse all the time.

Edited to add part two: If the PSRI forum is hated by so many, there are plenty of other political forums to visit. Instead, the same people keep complaining about how awful it is. It is like a homeless person constantly complaining about a free, hot meal.

Either obey the rules or find somewhere else to be. Real easy, folks.

I disagree. If this is a business, which it is, and if we want to treat MacRumors like a business - nobody should be banned unless they cause serious harm to the forum - If I was kicked out of Walmart for saying Pro-Trump language, then there would be a nationwide outroar. I actually see Arn making his business self destruct. They are banning so many people here they are cutting Ad revenue. It’s not good for business.
 
I disagree. If this is a business, which it is, and if we want to treat MacRumors like a business - nobody should be banned unless they cause serious harm to the forum - If I was kicked out of Walmart for saying Pro-Trump language, then there would be a nationwide outroar. I actually see Arn making his business self destruct. They are banning so many people here they are cutting Ad revenue. It’s not good for business.


You make an interesting point, but I personally believe a business owner reserves the right to refuse business regardless if it hurts them or not.
 
I disagree. If this is a business, which it is, and if we want to treat MacRumors like a business - nobody should be banned unless they cause serious harm to the forum - If I was kicked out of Walmart for saying Pro-Trump language, then there would be a nationwide outroar. I actually see Arn making his business self destruct. They are banning so many people here they are cutting Ad revenue. It’s not good for business.

I'd say @arn gets to decide whether something is and isn't good for his business
And as stated before, nobody gets banned for being a conservative, or for supporting Trump per se, it is the way a poster goes about posting and making their point that breaks the rules and results in time outs and bans.
 
You make an interesting point, but I personally believe a business owner reserves the right to refuse business regardless if it hurts them or not.
I believe that an owner refuses the right to refuse business to anyone as well - but as mentioned, that business better be prepared for the consequences of that. Someone has the right to cause consequences (look at the #BoycottWalmart trend this week), just as much as a business owner does to refuse service.
 
I disagree. If this is a business, which it is, and if we want to treat MacRumors like a business - nobody should be banned unless they cause serious harm to the forum - If I was kicked out of Walmart for saying Pro-Trump language, then there would be a nationwide outroar. I actually see Arn making his business self destruct. They are banning so many people here they are cutting Ad revenue. It’s not good for business.
This business can ban you, me, or anyone else for what they perceive to be a violation of the rules. In fact, they can ban anyone without even giving a reason if they so desire.

If you want to make use of this business, you must obey the rules when you are here. It is really simple.

This is a tech forum. It is not a politically based forum. Don't know why so many complainers feel they are entitled to demand this, that, and the other about the PSRI.

Arn and the other share holders have a right to protect their business. And in my opinion, they do a fine job of doing that.

If you want romper room debate where the intellectual capacity is on the same level as romper room, there are plenty of political forums that cater to that posting style. It makes no sense to constantly complain about a business that has been free to you, has been open and transparent with posting of the rules, not to mention making themselves available for follow-up discussion, and you still feel wronged.

1) If you can't control yourself in PSRI, stay out
2) Go to a politically base forum
3) Start your own political forum
4) Take responsibility for your own actions instead of playing the victim, and move on with your life.

It isn't as complicated as some are trying to make it on the forum.
 
I'd say @arn gets to decide whether something is and isn't good for his business
And as stated before, nobody gets banned for being a conservative, or for supporting Trump per se, it is the way a poster goes about posting and making their point that breaks the rules and results in time outs and bans.
But the blatant abuse of power by the moderators here shouldn’t be accepted. I’m fine with people being banned who violate the rules, but many conservatives are banned on weak grounds here.
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This business can ban you, me, or anyone else for what they perceive to be a violation of the rules. In fact, they can ban anyone without even giving a reason if they so desire.

If you want to make use of this business, you must obey the rules when you are here. It is really simple.

This is a tech forum. It is not a politically based forum. Don't know why so many complainers feel they are entitled to demand this, that, and the other about the PSRI.

Arn and the other share holders have a right to protect their business. And in my opinion, they do a fine job of doing that.

If you want romper room debate where the intellectual capacity is on the same level as romper room, there are plenty of political forums that cater to that posting style. It makes no sense to constantly complain about a business that has been free to you, has been open and transparent with posting of the rules, not to mention making themselves available for follow-up discussion, and you still feel wronged.

1) If you can't control yourself in PSRI, stay out
2) Go to a politically base forum
3) Start your own political forum
4) Take responsibility for your own actions instead of playing the victim, and move on with your life.

It isn't as complicated as some are trying to make it on the forum.
I obeyed the rules. I didn’t break a single bannable offense - if you only were able to know what I was banned for, it was for something that I shouldn’t have banned for. I never attacked a single member.
 
I believe that an owner refuses the right to refuse business to anyone as well - but as mentioned, that business better be prepared for the consequences of that. Someone has the right to cause consequences (look at the #BoycottWalmart trend this week), just as much as a business owner does to refuse service.


I agree, but I don't think there will be any bad consequences here. As long as Apple products are popular this site will generate a lot of money. Banning a small percentage of people (me included) from a single subforum. Isn't going to hurt their bottom line.

I personally didn't know about the three strike rule as it was new and not really brought to my attention until after I was banned, it's wasn't the rule when I joined...it was added later and I didn't go in and read the rules or post on it as I pretty much only look at the front page and click on the "new posts" button.

Hopefully, I get access back in a year.
 
But the blatant abuse of power by the moderators here shouldn’t be accepted. I’m fine with people being banned who violate the rules, but many conservatives are banned on weak grounds here.

Blatant abuse of power by the moderators?
Spare us your faux outrage and your soapbox

BOTH sides will claim they are abused, misrepresented, persecuted and moderated unfairly
BOTH sides will claim the other side is never moderated and given free reign

FWIW I am a strong conservative, voted for Trump, and served here as a moderator in the past and I am embarrassed when conservatives make an ass of themselves here on MR and elsewhere in social media
If your point can't be made without breaking the rules of the Forum, perhaps you don't have a strong point to be made
 
But the blatant abuse of power by the moderators here shouldn’t be accepted. I’m fine with people being banned who violate the rules, but many conservatives are banned on weak grounds here.
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I obeyed the rules. I didn’t break a single bannable offense - if you only were able to know what I was banned for, it was for something that I shouldn’t have banned for. I never attacked a single member.
All moderation is reviewed. It isn't done in a vacuum. If you asked for a review of your suspension and the admins didn't agree with you, it is time to move on. Once the mod action has been reviewed, that's it. It doesn't really matter if you agree with the decision or not. This isn't your business and as I said, you can be removed at any time for any reason. I don't know how much clearer it can be said.

MacRumors does not owe you an apology or any further explanation. Action was taken. You didn't like it. And MacRumors has still seen fit to give you voice here. Looks to me like you need to stop beating the horse and focus on other things.
 
But the blatant abuse of power by the moderators here shouldn’t be accepted. I’m fine with people being banned who violate the rules, but many conservatives are banned on weak grounds here.
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I obeyed the rules. I didn’t break a single bannable offense - if you only were able to know what I was banned for, it was for something that I shouldn’t have banned for. I never attacked a single member.

Conservatives aren’t banned at any higher rate than liberals so there will be no pity party for you. Secondly support or opposition to the current POTUS doesn’t signal conservative or liberal as rogi demonstrates almost daily. The thing is rule breaking and perceived rule breaking are fairly easy if the jokesters midge and renz can be banned then rules are being enforced equally.

TBH I love PRSI and it’s what keeps me coming back some day there will be a new Mac Pro so my attention will switch to that but until then I’ll make fun of trumpers and über libs.

In the end PRSI is fun if you take it that way there’s almost nothing that goes on there that will make me mad to include you. We’ve all got our thing and we’re all going to expound on it forcefully and in great detail on the internet since it’s the rulz of the internet and has been since there’s been an internet.
 
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