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PSA: Apple Mail Bugs Can Lead to Data Loss in macOS Catalina

Jim Lahey said:
With respect, that is possibly the first most irrational forum contribution I have ever seen anywhere on the internet. It's based on nothing but your own internal narrative. Obviously you're entitled to a voice your opinion, but it is only opinion. I'm going to go out on a limb and presume you know little or nothing about product development, software development, manufacturing, or tax law?
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I know that Ireland breached EU tax laws, perhaps it is you who does not understand this? Apple will not get very far with the EU as it ferociously defends its laws and regulations! I live in the UK and I do know about that!
I have also followed Apple long enough to know how they work and I refuse to apologise for the date they are currently in! As many others on here agree including I presume the 14 people who liked my post.
 
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Anyone else having issues in macos catalina when moving mail from other mail services to icloud (in mail.app) that the date and time is wrongly reset to curretn date and time on the mail? Or is everyone here just for the complaints of misc bugs?
 
I have been using Macs since around 2005. Yesterday after loading the new OS, I literally had to reboot my computer more times in that 1 day than I ever have. It keeps freezing, and I am not sure what I have gained besides dedicated apps.
Then I started really reading about this OS, and it appears that the idea is to seamlessly run all apps on any Apple device. They want developers to port iPad apps to the Mac.
This update wasn’t even needed.
 
Maybe if they didn't have yearly upgrade schedule this wouldn't be an issue. They could have beta tested for longer and release a better version in winter or spring.
 
Im thinking the 64 bit conversion is causing the most problems people are experiencing.

As to the yearly updates, maybe integrating with iOS is part of the issue and Apple needs to use more resources for a more bug free MacOS release.
 
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I have close to 80,000 emails in my mail boxes in mail (incoming, outgoing, categorised according to years). Just checked, everything seem to be fine.
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TwoBytes said:
Has anyone here lost any mail?
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Not me. In fact, I am a bit surprised that catalina is receiving such a bad press. For me, it has been brilliant and I am loving the sidecar!
I guess I am super lucky!!!
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oh. scratch that. my *only* problem in catalina so far is microsoft powerpoint...!
 
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TrenttonY said:
Good thing Apple had a beta to iron these critical bugs out!
oh wait...
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People outside the industry don't understand. Betas don't eliminate bugs. Every single software release, by every single company, is going to have some number of major bugs that aren't apparent until the software is released. This is how it works folks.
 
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I saw this posting a couple hours before I planned to upgrade my 2 macs this weekend. I have a LOT of emails in Mail, and don't want to risk it.
 
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kevink2 said:
I saw this posting a couple hours before I planned to upgrade my 2 macs this weekend. I have a LOT of emails in Mail, and don't want to risk it.
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Are those emails downloaded onto your computer?

I use Apple Mail, setup using Exchange to my Outlook.com account.
My Calendar and Email syncs perfectly but don't believe all my years of emails are downloaded onto my Mac.
 
fairuz said:
I think I've seen worse with initial Mac OS X releases. In any case, almost nobody should ever update their macOS until a few months in. There's no reason to. I usually wait 1-2 years, and there's absolutely no downside, and it works perfectly cause millions of people have already tested it.
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You are correct about the initial Mac OS X release. The difference is that they warned everybody that it was not fully functional yet. For a mature OS, there's no excuse for this level of shoddiness.
 
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Kebabselector said:
I didn't try the beta so not sure if the fault existed in that. Still on the grand scheme of things it's not the worst thing to have happened to me during an update. Must admit neither my MBA or my Mac Mini was a smooth install - both have to be manually restarted during the initial logon stage.
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Sorry, I was a bit distracted and didn't explain myself very well. My point was I have the same issue in the most recent version of Mojave (haven't updated to Catalina, not planning to either), and it seems the same bug has been carried over to Catalina. The lack of proper QC is getting kinda annoying, considering the fact that such basic features stay unfixed for months and months. Another example, the process of importing albums into the iOS Music app has been bugged for at least a year (tested with several different iPhones and MacBook machines). Get a grip, Apple.
 
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I'll probably be in the minority here, but I upgraded to Catalina and have not really had any major issues. I am a retail user and not business user, so that may be part of it. That being said, I backed up everything in case something went wrong, but fortunately it has not yet.
 
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Apple Ireland support stood me up today regarding my escalated issue, failing to call back as agreed, failing to send a rescheduling request or cancelation notice. Adding insult to injury, they deleted the appointment from the support website a few minutes after the elapsed appointment time.

Why am I conveying this "off topic" info in a Catalina thread? Because I do fear the company is losing its edge.
 
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I will see what the reaction of EverythingApplePro is. As pro Apple as he is, will he defend Apple in this incident by simply claiming ”no, I haven’t seen those bugs personally during the entire Catalina beta. It is a great release”?
 
Problem is that Apple is having a hard time holding on to engineers for long periods of time. They currently have a large turn over. Therefore, the people who are working on their software have very little experience and could never get all the bugs out before a release. Apple spends its time training new engineers, who end up leaving several months later for another gig at another tech company. Engineers in Silicon Valley change jobs as often as they change their socks.
 
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xmlninja said:
Anyone else having issues in macos catalina when moving mail from other mail services to icloud (in mail.app) that the date and time is wrongly reset to curretn date and time on the mail? Or is everyone here just for the complaints of misc bugs?
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Yes, but not related to Catalina. I moved my google mail over to iCloud using mail app in Mojave and all dates reset to the date of the move. Very frustrating. I read a post on Reddit that said it’s the way the app recognizes the date the mail moved as the received date. No known fix. Let me know if you find anything out.
 
Unfortunately I updated as soon as it came out. Having issues with syncing Mail, Reminders, Apple Music. Can I downgrade if I restore from backup?
 
Heat_Fan89 said:
No longer true from what i've experienced, that's for sure. I have have several laptops going back to 2009 that run Windows 10 x64 quite well on 4 GB of ram. Whereas my 2018 Mac mini struggled with 8GB of RAM and I had to up it to 32GB. I was getting tons of memory pressure and memory swaps just with 8GB on my Mini. I could have gone with 16GB for now but I did not want to crack it open a 2nd time. I recently bought a Lenovo ThinkCentre with similar specs to my 2018 Mac mini and the ThinkCentre with just 8GB boots to the desktop with no further disk activity (M2 Storage) in under 7 seconds. Multiple open programs don't even faze it.

OS performance is one area Apple at one time had an advantage over Windows and from my observations it appears that macOS has become slower and more bloated over the years including more buggy which was another area where Apple had an advantage over Windows. And my observation is based on using the very first edition of OS X way back in 2002.
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Great to know!

I just purchased a MacBook Pro a year ago; but definitely will consider a Windows laptop next time I need to upgrade.

It's sad how Apple is losing perspective; and developing such poor OS; and lack of innovation from hardware perspective.
 
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10.15 is therhe worst release of macOS in many years. Search in Mail.app Is just not working for me. Not even a tiny bit.

But I wish it was the only issues I have. SMB is loosing connection to my Synology. AFP is not working. Finder crashing on startup. Eject
ing disk is working poorly. Found some minor bugs in Safari. Had a few carnel panics (first after at least 4-5 years)!!

iMac 5k late 2015

Until today the worst experience I had with 10.x.0 release was Leopard. So I gues after 10 years o so history repeast itself.

iOS13 is also not in the best shape....
 
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