So what you're trying to say is apple has determined only a small number of mac users have experienced this mail bug.
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PSA: Apple Mail Bugs Can Lead to Data Loss in macOS Catalina
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I don't think it is a problem with the Mac Mini.
It's simply the fact that programs nowadays require more memory.
This wouldn't be that bad if Apple sells reasonable RAM prices for their computers.
Thankfully, the 2018 Mac Mini can be expanded. The same could not be said of their laptops.
Dear Apple,
How can things go from, "It just works." to "I hope this works."?
How can things go from, "It just works." to "I hope this works."?
I suspect that a lot of the 64-bit code hasn't been used, and now that 32-bit stuff has been stripped out it's being exercised.
Someone said this earlier, and I agree, but why does Apple think we need a new OS every year? They are really shooting themselves in the foot every year by doing this and releasing these OS upgrades that are ridiculously bad.
Catalina will eventually be a great OS, but it won't be until around September of next year, right when they are getting ready to release another awful update.
Catalina will eventually be a great OS, but it won't be until around September of next year, right when they are getting ready to release another awful update.
Timmy's at a political conference, he doesn't have time for this....
Personally I think it already is. No problems at all that I have so far encountered. Touch wood! 🤞
And there we have it folks. MR's resident Apple Apologist in to defend shotty software.
Apple has only gone more than 12 months (give or take a month or so) on an OS release 4 times since the Public Beta version of OS X in 2000. They have never gone 36 months. Two of those releases that were more than 12 months apart were among the buggiest I can ever recall (Leopard and Lion).
Sorry to interrupt the bash fest, but my guess what’s happening, and something I’ve seen happen before with and without software updates, is Mail app / mail server confusion between sub folders of a mail account.
For example the default folder for ‘sent’ sub folder changes to ‘sent items’, creating two folders containing sent mail. To compound the problem, certain mail servers auto populate and name the common inbox, sent, drafts, etc. to a variety of variations.
Another example is the ‘junk’ folder for the mail app, can be assigned to any folder. But if you create/rename a default mail server ‘spam’ folder To ‘junk’, it will sometimes recreate a separate ‘spam’ folder later.
This also gets compounded with apps like Outlook and providers like Gmail that can monkey with the sub folder structure and have their own unique naming conventions.
The big crime here is the moronic instistence/habit of mail providers/apps using anything other than the obvious default naming convention of inbox, sent, drafts, junk and trash for the common mail directories.
For example the default folder for ‘sent’ sub folder changes to ‘sent items’, creating two folders containing sent mail. To compound the problem, certain mail servers auto populate and name the common inbox, sent, drafts, etc. to a variety of variations.
Another example is the ‘junk’ folder for the mail app, can be assigned to any folder. But if you create/rename a default mail server ‘spam’ folder To ‘junk’, it will sometimes recreate a separate ‘spam’ folder later.
This also gets compounded with apps like Outlook and providers like Gmail that can monkey with the sub folder structure and have their own unique naming conventions.
The big crime here is the moronic instistence/habit of mail providers/apps using anything other than the obvious default naming convention of inbox, sent, drafts, junk and trash for the common mail directories.
This afternoon I faced my third issue of the MAIL, the Outlook account popped-out frequently [approx. every 10-20 min.] asking my to input the password.....I have to quit the MAIL and open the SAFARI to keep working with the Outlook..... anyone here has the same issue? or I am the only unlucky guy?
So far these mail problems are Outlook related?
I think the problem with Outlook has been Microsoft’s boneheaded insistence of a proprietary email system. They have done everything they possibly can to clutter and junk up what should be a very simple file and directory structure to sent text files (aka email).
As a result Outlook is often problematic with upgrades, difficult to interface with, and full of stupid annoying quirks.
Even today, most Outlook users are stuck in last century POP style accounts, because Outlook + IMAP + large volume of email is a recipe for severe issues.
This blank message problem sounds a lot like long standing export/import Outlook account issues. Drag and drop from large volume Outlook accounts on Windows machines has the same problem with losing messages and creating emails with intact headers but blank message content. This was something that took thousands of dollars and about 2 month of headaches for our company to fix not two years ago with Outlook accounts on Windows machines.
Once we went with a Linux based mail server, mail has been solid aside from the usual growing pains of freeing and reacclimatizing Outlook captives. Might want to look into it, as what you are (over) paying for Outlook can be much better spent on a more universal and standards friendly solution.
People say it’s the worst macOS release every year. A few months down the line & everyone is calm again.
Let me guess, you long for the days of OS X Snow Leopard? That had major bugs at release too.
Oh wow. What did the original email say?
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Oeps it is not just me. I noticed this directly after installing Catalina (both on my mid 2014 MacBookPro and my late 2015 iMac). First of all I had to click the mail icon twice, because at the first click it starts and on the second click it opens (someone else got this problem?). Then I moved some mail from one mailbox to another (incoming to a normal folder/mailbox), wanted to undo this (CMD-Z) and that action left me with empty mails (like stated in this article). Then after rebuilding the mailbox these mails vanished all-together. Also searching in mail has hickups (searching seems to work OK now so I guess something had to be rebuilt in the background). Another issue is the photo app: it wants to import photo's from the iPhone which already have been imported before and therefore creates doubles in my photo library. All this really should have been noticed at testing in an early phase. Are Apple employees using there own stuff? These bugs are not superficial, they seem to corrupt the raw/original data and this is bad and I think people at Apple were fired for less and minor bugs. As I noticed this all on first use after updating, something must be terrible wrong in management at Apple (I am available to help on managerial and operational level to prevent this sort of mayhem 😬).
Another thing is that some tickboxes do not work correctly (like "open photo's for this device" in the photos app and hide app at startup in the settings). I also lost my dock for the same tickbox reason. We have seen tickbox issues a few years back as well. Although these bugs are not as bad as the bugs which (seems) to corrupt carefully built up data over the years (mail and photo library), I think these bugs are badly damaging the overall good work on Catalina.
Another thing is that some tickboxes do not work correctly (like "open photo's for this device" in the photos app and hide app at startup in the settings). I also lost my dock for the same tickbox reason. We have seen tickbox issues a few years back as well. Although these bugs are not as bad as the bugs which (seems) to corrupt carefully built up data over the years (mail and photo library), I think these bugs are badly damaging the overall good work on Catalina.
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How is one even going to know what went missing if they hadn’t yet read it or it was an old mail saved just in case?
How does Apple manage to **** up these mature apps like every year or so?
How does Apple manage to **** up these mature apps like every year or so?
and to think i was just about to upgrade..... well.. now i will for sure do a backup, wipe, and clean install as i usually always do. It would be wondering knowing it that "fixes" the issue.
I can't believe this would be mail servers issue.., because they wouldn't be aware of
this mail server wouldn't work with Catalina." Mail servers are mail servers..
If it was an issue, I tink they'd be much more problems tham just the OS.
I can't believe this would be mail servers issue.., because they wouldn't be aware of
this mail server wouldn't work with Catalina." Mail servers are mail servers..
If it was an issue, I tink they'd be much more problems tham just the OS.
Apple treats its homegrown apps like decontented proof of concept demo tools to let customers know they should buy a 3rd party app for the real work. They definitely don’t strive for BIC features.
I think you may not member the horror of Lion...
Can all the hysterics now wake up and see that they are being hysterical in a very embarrassing first-world-problem-way?
Stopped using a fat E-Mail client a long time ago... gmail has a very good web interface. Now i switched to outlook.com, which is also pretty good.
At least for my private use that's more than good enough.
I use the mail client on the iPhone though. Better not happen there.
At least for my private use that's more than good enough.
I use the mail client on the iPhone though. Better not happen there.
It's not so much the QA department.. I've said it for a while, no company can put out a new OS every year and not have problems... and they'll only get worse because OSes get more complicated over time, not simpler.
Both Apple and Google need to stop what they're doing and start prioritizing stability over new features. With them releasing new OSes constantly, they're also forcing developers to constantly upgrade their software to new frameworks... the end result is that every piece of software you use is in perpetual beta.