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PSA: Apple Mail Bugs Can Lead to Data Loss in macOS Catalina
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Craig should feel ashamed. Why are the employees writing code for core features of macOS so bad at their jobs? What kind of QA people could let a bug like this slip through? Do they even simulate basic mailbox actions to confirm that changes made to the app will not break things?
Omg. Please will someone report on this bug too! It happens all the time! While playing a video in full screen (or another app in full screen), periodically mail will decide to open in split view. The ONLY way to mitigate this from the countless time I've spent trying to resolve this is by HIDING the mail window instead of completely closing it (closing the window but keeping the app open). It would be much preferable to not have this bug, but at this point I am so used to hiding the window to prevent it. Annoying!
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After the disaster that was upgrading my iPhone to iOS 13, I am very wary of Catalina. What on earth is happening to Apple's quality-check process??
Maybe I've already complained about Catalina one one of the many threads. If so, I'm so mad I've forgotten, so please forgive me.
My late 2015 iMac (which is blessed by Apple to run Catalina) restarts very slowly. Mail loads slowly from wake, or restart. Safari loads pages from fast then gets slow. 32GB of memory doesn't seem enough to run Safari, Mail, Music. I've run the "D" keyboard key diagnostic at start-up and it finds nothing.
I went a further step and deleted all 32bit apps. and went and deleted every plug-in I could identify as old/not needed anymore.
I'm wondering if I should invest in more memory. Maybe whip it up to 64GB?
I suppose I should do an OS Clean Install and seed how that goes before I spend more money.
My late 2015 iMac (which is blessed by Apple to run Catalina) restarts very slowly. Mail loads slowly from wake, or restart. Safari loads pages from fast then gets slow. 32GB of memory doesn't seem enough to run Safari, Mail, Music. I've run the "D" keyboard key diagnostic at start-up and it finds nothing.
I went a further step and deleted all 32bit apps. and went and deleted every plug-in I could identify as old/not needed anymore.
I'm wondering if I should invest in more memory. Maybe whip it up to 64GB?
I suppose I should do an OS Clean Install and seed how that goes before I spend more money.
I think I've seen worse with initial Mac OS X releases. In any case, almost nobody should ever update their macOS until a few months in. There's no reason to. I usually wait 1-2 years, and there's absolutely no downside, and it works perfectly cause millions of people have already tested it.
You know, idk why I'm saying this. The more people update early, the better tested it is for me
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QA only gets you asymptotically closer to perfection. There are so many factors in mail that it's likely hard to reproduce this one bug.
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Goodness, I'd be terrified if this were really the solution. I've got 8 and 24 on my laptop and desktop respectively. RAM hasn't been getting cheaper per GB over the past 6 years.
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Tim Cook & Co are forgetting that what makes Apple unique is the OS and the hardware working together. Due to the quality of the OS is why I'm willing to overpay for a laptop; because OS is superior to Windows in performance.
Catalina seems to be so flawed and it's the first time I've never been excited, rather cautious, about updating my OS. Same happened with iOS since iOS 12.
Forget about Apple TV + and your useless shows... Focus on your core and hopefully they'll release an OS without major bugs at launch
Catalina seems to be so flawed and it's the first time I've never been excited, rather cautious, about updating my OS. Same happened with iOS since iOS 12.
Forget about Apple TV + and your useless shows... Focus on your core and hopefully they'll release an OS without major bugs at launch
Seems like Apple will need to release a Mac OS Snow Catalina (*remembering Snow Leopard*).
This is what happens when you force a yearly update cadence without putting a massive number of QA testers in place.
And I'm guessing that their best / brightest / most of their resources are dedicated to the iOS yearly cadence.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but for those who are affected, have you logged into your icloud web account to see if the emails are still intact?
By that time the next version will be close to Beta, and that's about the same time they shift resources away from the current version.
I skipped Yosemite but ran El Cap on external SSD from Beta 1 or 2 and it was good. That's how I knew I'd be ok doing a clean install of El Cap as soon as it hit productio.
That would be a real problem if Mail deleted the emails on the server. Even if it put them in the trash it should be recoverable.
I can understand Catalina breaking third party apps, but a native app is really inexcusable.
The TV App doesn't show file size or resolution before you buy it. You now run the risk of purchasing a poor quality rendering of a movie. I'll give you an example: Jean de Florette in the UK store has been available for donkey's years, but only as a SD purchase. Which is absolutely tragic for such a beautifully filmed movie. Consequently, I have it on my wish list, and I've been wishing for quite some time for an HD or 4K version to become available. Apple's answer: Get rid of the wish list in MacOS! And don't bother showing relevant information in the 'Information' section. I guess that might confuse some users.
And don't get me started on 4K 'purchases'. Try to stream them on a horribly old 2016 MacBook Pro and the OS flips out back to the TV Library screen after a couple of seconds without any kind of excuse offered.
Poor.
And don't get me started on 4K 'purchases'. Try to stream them on a horribly old 2016 MacBook Pro and the OS flips out back to the TV Library screen after a couple of seconds without any kind of excuse offered.
Poor.
I am missing some mail but it started before Catalina. I think it happened with the iPhone 11 Pro. Xfinity told me I should be using their app for mail which didn't help and Apple had me delete the Apple mail app and reinstall it. I'm hoping that will take care of the issue but am not sure yet.
I think I've seen worse with initial Mac OS X releases. In any case, almost nobody should ever update their macOS until a few months in. There's no reason to. I usually wait 1-2 years, and there's absolutely no downside, and it works perfectly cause millions of people have already tested it.
You know, idk why I'm saying this. The more people update early, the better tested it is for me
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QA only gets you asymptotically closer to perfection. There are so many factors in mail that it's likely hard to reproduce this one bug.
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Goodness, I'd be terrified if this were really the solution. I've got 8 and 24 on my laptop and desktop respectively. RAM hasn't been getting cheaper per GB over the past 6 years.
It looks like going to 64GB with OWC would cost me $400+. Not sure if updating a late 2015 iMac is worth that much money. This might be my last iMac. I’d probably get a Mac laptop and drive an external monitor when I needed it.
Apple Mail has been a Big Fail. Forever.
It has never been a strong corporate email solution. It is just wasted potential. There are several startups that offer a robust Mail database combined with a sleek UI and very useful features. Is Apple waiting for its stock to crash and burn before somebody wakes up and starts addressing the inherent OS problems?
It has never been a strong corporate email solution. It is just wasted potential. There are several startups that offer a robust Mail database combined with a sleek UI and very useful features. Is Apple waiting for its stock to crash and burn before somebody wakes up and starts addressing the inherent OS problems?
No longer true from what i've experienced, that's for sure. I have have several laptops going back to 2009 that run Windows 10 x64 quite well on 4 GB of ram. Whereas my 2018 Mac mini struggled with 8GB of RAM and I had to up it to 32GB. I was getting tons of memory pressure and memory swaps just with 8GB on my Mini. I could have gone with 16GB for now but I did not want to crack it open a 2nd time. I recently bought a Lenovo ThinkCentre with similar specs to my 2018 Mac mini and the ThinkCentre with just 8GB boots to the desktop with no further disk activity (M2 Storage) in under 7 seconds. Multiple open programs don't even faze it.
OS performance is one area Apple at one time had an advantage over Windows and from my observations it appears that macOS has become slower and more bloated over the years including more buggy which was another area where Apple had an advantage over Windows. And my observation is based on using the very first edition of OS X way back in 2002.
My 2017 MBP froze at the end, had to reset and now I'm missing email. Some Beta Testing... maybe too busy making PC TV shows that don't offend anyone
I agree, and I don’t accept the excuses: “But software development is so complicated these days, and there’ll always be bugs”. I lost respect for Craig when he said he was testing the ultimately failed butterfly keyboard; and apparently it was ok for him.
OS X has really solid foundations, that was the whole point. The sort of bugs we‘re seeing in (in my opinion) increased frequency should either not be happening or have simple fall-back checks. Protection against data loss (the most severe bugs) should be like an engineering triple safety system. It simply should not happen except in an almost unheard of triple failure.
I suspect as Apple has become larger and more corporatised (read: bland and soulless) the respect for and therefore job satisfaction of its development staff has declined. That or the resources are being squeezed (why?!); or both. I don’t know how else to explain it.
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Plagued???? Don’t be a drama queen. A few bugs are normal, Windows has faaaar more
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Nobody has confirmed this is a real widespread bug. It may be specific to some installations instead of universal