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Why though? I’m still on my iPad Pro 2018 12.9. Nothing about it says “upgrade me I’m slow”.


I thought Apple was in on the iPad replacing Macs but nope.

IMO it’s set up for a consumption device

It uses iPad apps
Plays movies well
Crappy onscreen keyboard
I used to upgrade it every year, I’m doing a lot better. Your right the M1 doesn’t feel slow but I do see a difference in the new iPhone 15 pro max with ray tracing vs the 14 pro max. It probably depends on which of the rumors turn out to be true.
 
It always strikes me as a bit strange when any of these companies release a piece of hardware with great tech, they have known for years that they will be releasing it and have spent so much on R&D that they do not have a killer app to really show it off.

I mean, it is not like they have not had the time or resources to get something mind-blowing ready for launch.

The same applies to the Quest 3, absolutely nothing to show it is that much different from the Quest 2.
Finding a killer app is very VERY difficult. Apple has been developing this headset for a very long time. I imagine there was tons of internal pressure to finish development and release something so, unfortunately, we got a half-baked product. Just like the original Apple Watch. So there are two scenarios here: Apple is able to find the killer app and unleash the true potential of Vision Pro in the next generations, or it never finds its, and Vision Pro is discontinued in the following years due to lack of interest. We'll see.
 
3.500 dollars is a lot of money for a timer/clock that floats over your stove. Mine cost 6 EUR. But it does not float of course for that price.

It's funny to think, that this might be the first Apple product where people cue up to return it.
 
It’s so sad seeing Apple wanting to fail on this so bad, I mean had they priced it at 1000 it would have been more expensive than meta but people would have expected that from Apple.
The thing is, it does the same thing of a quest (or even less as there a no joystick, even optionals for gaming) sure it has better screen but lower FOV, all it seems to do is mimic a computer but as the iPad showed, people who want a computer buy a computer.

It’s cool, it’s futuristic but not very practical.

For a lot less i bought a quest 3, it does what I expect it to do, entertain, it’s not a productive device and I don’t expect it to be as I would not wear it for more the 1 hour or one hour and a half.

The quest works also as PC VR which is a bonus.

All in all, even at the same price, except for the screen quality, the quest is more value for money (for now).

And for those who don’t want a Meta device, avp is fine. My roommate has one and I enjoy using it and I’m buying myself one if they’re in stock
 
People said the same thing about smart watches originally, heck some people still say it. Yet, you see them everywhere now.

I didn't buy a VP, but there will come a day when it'll be normal to wear it or similar ones.
See - I don't think there will. Smart watches had obvious benefits and use cases from day one and still do with more and more being found all the time. I'm not a luddite. I absolutely live and breathe tech. I just don't see these things ever becoming mainstream.
 
idk if it’s any different now, but when I worked in Apple Retail we returned products outside of the 14-day window all the time. the return would go back onto the original payment method too, not just store credit.

unless it was like months after the fact and opened. then we’d either say no or just issue store credit.

I don’t even have the urge to demo one yet. would rather wait until I’m ready to get one.
 
People said the same thing about smart watches originally, heck some people still say it. Yet, you see them everywhere now.
But wrist watches in general have been around since the 1800’s and are socially acceptable from a design standpoint. Smartwatches just added to that core functionality.

The AVP isn’t that, so social acceptance will take time. Now if AVP were basically sunglasses with smart features that would be more comparable to your point.
 
What would suddenly make Apple change it? People don’t ever buy/return MacBook Pros and displays?
Tough comparison. AVP is brand new and still beta in its current state versus well established hardware with multiple generations of updates and improvements.
 
I think people put off their frustration to Apple of not innovating anymore and think to themselves “they must be spending all resources on Vision Pro”.

That’s the only explanation why the forum has a lot of negative attitudes toward Apple after Vision Pro’s hype died and people found out the Vision Pro is just the nail in the coffin’s
Despite, there’s an overwhelming number of AVP articles still published on this site and many others hyping this beta turd. (I get it, driving clicks, but still…)
 
Looking forward to the rest of the world launch, then we can have the same arguments all over again. Still think this product is probably the future as far as computers go for the vast majority of people.

Interesting perspective. What makes you think this would be the go to “computer” for the vast majority of people in the future? I always feel the iPad/iPhone would be that instead. Not sure if I want to wear a computer all the time personally, though I can see the Vision Pro being useful.
 
this is why I like macrumors. Even though it's a mac related website, it's not mindless shill that worships a single corporation. Created by consumers for consumers about a company - not 'for the company'.
 
Do people who shell out this sort of cash need refunds on anything they ever buy ? YMMV.

Cant see a huge return percentage myself...lets see....
 
It always strikes me as a bit strange when any of these companies release a piece of hardware with great tech, they have known for years that they will be releasing it and have spent so much on R&D that they do not have a killer app to really show it off.

I mean, it is not like they have not had the time or resources to get something mind-blowing ready for launch.

The same applies to the Quest 3, absolutely nothing to show it is that much different from the Quest 2.

I am still surprised Apple didn't throw money at Taylor Swift to be the exclusive home of the "Eras Tour" in an exclusive immersive experience
 
It seems a lot of people are returning it. It's amazing tech but it's not there yet. The Meta Quest 3 does a lot of things better and for much cheaper.

Apple seriously need to bring the price down even if it's a cheaper model. I don't know why on earth they thought it was a good idea to release one model and charge $3,500 lol. If there was a standard model for ~$1,000 then it'd have been much more successful. They could still have released the VP alongside it.

If they don't kill it off then I might pick one up in ~5 years time once the hardware and software is improved and hopefully there are cheaper models.
 
Can we move on to the rumored new iPads now ?

I am super excited about those and we know that Apple (understandably) needs to get Vision Pro out of the way first.
 
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