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Psystar Asks for Donations, Sells 'I Sued Psystar' T-Shirts
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I just bought a T-Shirt.
Good on you Psystar. I wouldn't buy your computers.... not because they don't work, it's because apple will ***** on me when i ask for an update for thier software that i paid for (apparently it remains theirs until it's discarded or deleted), even though i'm not after technical support or anything that costs them money. As far as i know, updates and bug fixes are free as long as you have a licensed copy of the software.
It's like buying a turbo made for BMW by BMW and installing it in my chevvy and then if i wanted a spare part for 'that' (rightfully mine and paid for) turbo, it will be altered so that my turbo and engine becomes completely disfunctional.
In my perfect world, apple is a real criminal here. Psystar is not asking for free love from apple any more than what Ruf ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile)is doing to Porsche by putting their own, other's or modified engines in them to make them perform not necessarily better but faster - which is better.
I paid a lot of money for my apple products. To find out that a lot of that money i could have saved if apple wasn't paying lawyers millions, plus court fees plus that extra work for developers to cripple it's own products instead of working on a driver for a proper videocard really hurts me.
Its like finding out that your girlfriend decided to do another girl while letting some other guy watch and not you while you were at home waiting for her and cooking her dinner. That's how painful it is. I'm not sure if it's actually cheating.... but it's one of the biggest slap in the face that i can think of. It doesn't really fall in any conventionally recognised catagory except for "wrong".
This is my opinion, i'm hurt so don't kick me when i'm down because that will make you an ****** as well.
Good on you Psystar. I wouldn't buy your computers.... not because they don't work, it's because apple will ***** on me when i ask for an update for thier software that i paid for (apparently it remains theirs until it's discarded or deleted), even though i'm not after technical support or anything that costs them money. As far as i know, updates and bug fixes are free as long as you have a licensed copy of the software.
It's like buying a turbo made for BMW by BMW and installing it in my chevvy and then if i wanted a spare part for 'that' (rightfully mine and paid for) turbo, it will be altered so that my turbo and engine becomes completely disfunctional.
In my perfect world, apple is a real criminal here. Psystar is not asking for free love from apple any more than what Ruf ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile)is doing to Porsche by putting their own, other's or modified engines in them to make them perform not necessarily better but faster - which is better.
I paid a lot of money for my apple products. To find out that a lot of that money i could have saved if apple wasn't paying lawyers millions, plus court fees plus that extra work for developers to cripple it's own products instead of working on a driver for a proper videocard really hurts me.
Its like finding out that your girlfriend decided to do another girl while letting some other guy watch and not you while you were at home waiting for her and cooking her dinner. That's how painful it is. I'm not sure if it's actually cheating.... but it's one of the biggest slap in the face that i can think of. It doesn't really fall in any conventionally recognised catagory except for "wrong".
This is my opinion, i'm hurt so don't kick me when i'm down because that will make you an ****** as well.
I agree 100%
Just move on.
Nobody should support this stupid action. Put on mind: if you want mac osx you have to buy from apple. Otherwise choose another OS.
It is expensive and if you don't have money to buy it: work hard.
Apple wouldn't have to spend as much money on lawyers and court fees if there weren't greedy thieves who want to steal their work and use it to make a quick buck with no concern for the health of the Macintosh ecosystem.
Your BMW turbo analogy is not at all appropriate. Here's a better example using your basic premise:
It's like buying a turbine for a BMW turbo kit which is sold as a replacement part and is priced lower than its manufacturing + R&D price because BMW makes up for the loss in other parts of the turbo kit, not expecting that it could be retrofit onto a chevy. When they discovered that a small minority of hobbyists who valued raw performance and cheapness over stability and support were abusing their pricing, they refused to service or sell parts for it unless the owner of the part had a BMW and was using it in the BMW.
That's still a very unwieldy analogy. Car analogies are terrible.
OMG. Just die already.
Slowest, least dignified death ever.
What I would like to see though, is the irony of a site like ThinkGeek.com producing and selling an identical shirt (and, obviously, keeping the money for themselves). Then see how much Psystar like unauthorized cloning.
Slowest, least dignified death ever.
What I would like to see though, is the irony of a site like ThinkGeek.com producing and selling an identical shirt (and, obviously, keeping the money for themselves). Then see how much Psystar like unauthorized cloning.
such boiler room business ethics. there was never anything punk rock about riding the coat tails of a successful business by ripping them off. that's how parasites survive. also, there are far more noble charities that deserve donations.
1) Psystar very much so is a company - they sell a product. Even the courts referred to them as a business.
2) These t-Shirts are really nothing special and I doubt that they are unique enough to ever be worth much money - they really arent collectable since they are easy to reproduce.
LOL, this is why Psystar is selling the shirts, they'll have dudes like this lining up to buy 10!
You dont believe in somebody that is stupid enough to think that the laws dont apply to them? I can probably reveal tons of frivolous suits, and cases that show that people who are desperate will do anything to get off.
Second - Apple did not need a precedent - the law was clearly on their side. But lets assume your right for a second - the courts would find out - you cannot hide this forever and once they do - they will not be happy.
I wonder if today draconian laws where back in the 80 would MS even exist. I would probably say not. I wonder what Bill would have done, now a different future this would have been.
What Microsoft did the in 80s is not at all comparable to what Psystar did. Even if the DMCA did exist in the 80s, it wouldn't have any bearing on any patent infringement Microsoft did.
In that timeframe however there was the Outbound Laptop/Notebook, which used Mac ROMs pried off the logic boards of other machines to boot. There was not then, nor is there now, anything illegal about that assuming the firmware in the ROM doesn't use any mechanism to verify it's running on certain hardware, and if it does, it isn't circumvented. If you burned a copy of the ROM onto a PROM and put your original ROM back into the other Mac, that was copyright infringement, but not circumvention ala Psystar/Rebel EFI.
As far as I know, you cannot install Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware without violating the EULA.
I can quote exactly, cbf reading whole EULA.
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Seriously you need to do some research before you post such BS. I could correct you on all your points but I can't really be arsed to waste my time on you.
Wrong.
The kernel is open source.
The user interface and all the applications that come with OS X are not.
Which makes OS X proprietary and closed source, by any definition (including official ones.)
Apple does maintain some open source projects, but most everything aside from the kernel is closed source. For instance, WebKit is open source. The Safari browser itself is not. The Finder, Spotlight, the entire GUI, and most (if not all) of the apps that come with the OS are closed source.
Not much of what we consider "OS X" is open source - it's mostly a few underlying things (like the kernel or the the SMB client/server, etc.)
You do realize the extent to which Apple has given back to the Open Source community, right? It's thanks to Apple that FreeBSD is where it is today.
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A bunch of real losers. Anyone who buys a shirt from those crooks should be stoned in public.
A bunch of real losers. Anyone who buys a shirt from those crooks should be stoned in public.
Oh please. They manufacture their own hardware. That hardware needs software to run. Why don't you go after all the microwave, toaster, and blender makers out there. Let's not forget the people that make remotes for only one TV, and electronic watches, monitors, and hardrives. They all run on their proprietary firmware. Why should an operating system be any different? Because it's bigger? Does more?
Macs are made by Apple. Why should Apple break their business plan and loose OS X onto the free market to be chopped and screwed by all the idiots out there, who's only interest is to turn a quick buck? There is no profit in releasing operating systems, standaloneespecially not when you hold but 10% of the market.
To control build quality and product QA, Apple has to keep a tight hold on things. They have a vision and that vision centres around perfection. If they parted out there company, that would ultimately collapse. You can criticize them all you (and most people do hit them hard here) about being Hitlers when it comes to control, but that type of mentality is a requirement when your vision is paramount.
I understand Jobs. I understand that if you want something exactly one way, then there's no room for compromise. You can call foul here all you like, but Apple's behaviour is precisely why their product design is the higher echelon. From the product to its packaging. Its either Steve's way or the highway and if that wasn't the case, then you wouldn't have the same exacting standards. Standards that would be compromised if every idiot with electricity had a hand in your product...
Yep yep. They have contributed staggering amounts of code to the OS community. Stuff that trickled into anything Unix based (such as Linux)...
I don't understand why they had to go and violate apple's license agreements by copying their software without consent? I mean, why not just build the machines, and post a link to the apple store where people can buy snow leopard themselves. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would love to buy a machine that is 100% OSX compatible, yet would be capable of loading it themselves.
