Psystar Asks for Donations, Sells 'I Sued Psystar' T-Shirts

[jaw04005]

Microsoft agree the shares and they were powerless shares, they had no control over Apple whatsoever. They sold the shares in 2001.

Not to mention, Microsoft got a patent sharing agreement out of the deal (where Apple and Microsoft shared OS patents for a period of 10 years, they likely have a similar agreement even today) and the promise of Apple not to continue suing them (in various ways) for stealing their GUI.

However, the entire thing was a PR stunt by Steve Jobs to reassure investors on Wall Street. It was a "Look what Steve Jobs did." event. Apple could have survived without Microsoft's measly 150 million. They had 1.2 billion in the bank at the time (not to mention roughly 8 billion in assets), but no future product line.

, As far as I'm aware the Xerox board of Directors didn't really understand what the ALTO computer was and what it did. This of course was developed at Xerox PARC, when steve toured the facility they were more than happy to give it to him and i think he threw in Shares from Apple as well.

Xerox made major bank off its Apple shares. However, it wasn't anything near what they would have earned if they would have pursued getting the GUI out to home users themselves.

 

[Xenious]

so torn...

want hilarious t-shirt, don't really want to give any money to Psystar...ack!

 

[pdjudd]

Xerox made major bank off its Apple shares. However, it wasn't anything near what they would have earned if they would have pursued getting the GUI out to home users themselves.

I dunno, that a really big if there.

 

[hmmfe]

Not to defend them because I don't but there was no taxpayer money involved. It was a civil suit and Psystar has to pay all legal fees.

Yes, Psystar has to pay all recoverable court fees to Apple (presumably part of the judgement) as well as Apple's legal fees. However, any court fees that Apple had paid during trail do not amount to the total costs of the court in the conduct of the trial. So yes, taxpayers did pay for some portion of this trial.

 

[rdowns]

Complete marketing FAIL. No wonder they're all but dead.

I would have sold a black mock turtleneck.

 

[sishaw]

Although they are so heavily relying on Open Source technologies, they still want developers to sign ridiculous NDAs and although they are ripping off the inventions of others so much (e.g. Konfabulator vs Apple's Dashboard), they are the sue-happiest company on this planet and "oh, boy, have they patented" their rip-offs.

Bad example, since Konfabulator in turn was based on Desk Accessories for the original MacIntosh in the 1980s. Also, there are other widget engines that have similar functionality, even other than Konfabulator and Dashboard.

 

[Xenomorph]

They have my support. I'll be digging out my credit card in a few minutes.

The T-shirt isn't very attractive, and it doesn't come in HUGE sizes (lol). So I'm not sure if I will get that, or just donate the $20.

Psystar has helped people beyond selling systems. They have programmers/hackers working with the "OSx86" community, and have contributed great software, free of charge.

I've purchased Apple computers, other Apple hardware (including my 3GS), and Apple software (such as Snow Leopard). Being able to use hardware and software how *I* decide is a little important to me. Psystar seems to want to fight on my side, so I applaud them.

 

[cw75]

Unbelievable

Absolutely ridiculously unbelievable. They got what they deserved.

 

[Mark Booth]

Wouldn't it be funny if Apple released a T-shirt:

Front: We sued Psystar
Back: And we kicked their worthless a$$

I'd buy that one!

Mark

 

[cmaier]

Not to defend them because I don't but there was no taxpayer money involved. It was a civil suit and Psystar has to pay all legal fees.

The judge, clerks, bailiffs worked for free, PG&E donated heat and electricity?

If not for these bozos the courts could have spent that time on a real case.

 

[cmaier]

They have my support. I'll be digging out my credit card in a few minutes.

The T-shirt isn't very attractive, and it doesn't come in HUGE sizes (lol). So I'm not sure if I will get that, or just donate the $20.

Psystar has helped people beyond selling systems. They have programmers/hackers working with the "OSx86" community, and have contributed great software, free of charge.

I've purchased Apple computers, other Apple hardware (including my 3GS), and Apple software (such as Snow Leopard). Being able to use hardware and software how *I* decide is a little important to me. Psystar seems to want to fight on my side, so I applaud them.

So you support buying apple software from people who stole it from Apple? Would you buy a mac from a guy who crashed a van into the apple store and made off with the inventory?

Do you create anything in your line of work? Would you enjoy if people just stole it from you?

 

[Bubba Satori]

desperate much?!?!

Humorless much?

 

[*LTD*]

So you support buying apple software from people who stole it from Apple? Would you buy a mac from a guy who crashed a van into the apple store and made off with the inventory?

Do you create anything in your line of work? Would you enjoy if people just stole it from you?

Some people will never understand the idea of software licensing and that Apple isn't the only entity to use it.

 

[skeep5]

Seriously? Seriously.

 

[hAkron]

I just bought a T-Shirt.

Its like finding out that your girlfriend decided to do another girl while letting some other guy watch and not you while you were at home waiting for her and cooking her dinner.

This is a fabulous analogy that I will use liberally in any circumstance that I can apply it to for the remainder of my life.

 

[Consultant]

We need a new voting option...

Positive | Negative | Lame

I will vote for lame.

 

[cmaier]

Wearing one of these shirts is like wearing an Enron shirt autographed by Tiger Woods while dating the octomom

 

[randyhudson]

If they won, OS X would basically turn out to be just like Windows. Anyone could run it, on their crappy machines. Essentially making it a bad OS.

Great point. This is why Linux sucks so bad and has become synonymous with instability.

 

[Lone Deranger]

Then might I suggest you Right Click + Save that T-Shirt image and print it out on some of that Iron-on printer paper and iron it on a T-Shirt.
Better yet, take it a step further and print out a whole bunch and sell them online for a few bucks... you know... Psystar style.
Oh the irony.

want hilarious t-shirt, don't really want to give any money to Psystar...ack!

 

[cmaier]

Then might I suggest you Right Click + Save that T-Shirt image and print it out on some of that Iron-on printer paper and iron it on a T-Shirt.
Better yet, take it a step further and print out a whole bunch and sell them online for a few bucks... you know... Psystar style.
Oh the irony.

Damn, I wish I thought of that.

 

[HLdan]

I just bought a T-Shirt.

Good on you Psystar. I wouldn't buy your computers.... not because they don't work, it's because apple will ***** on me when i ask for an update for thier software that i paid for (apparently it remains theirs until it's discarded or deleted), even though i'm not after technical support or anything that costs them money. As far as i know, updates and bug fixes are free as long as you have a licensed copy of the software.

It's like buying a turbo made for BMW by BMW and installing it in my chevvy and then if i wanted a spare part for 'that' (rightfully mine and paid for) turbo, it will be altered so that my turbo and engine becomes completely disfunctional.

In my perfect world, apple is a real criminal here. Psystar is not asking for free love from apple any more than what Ruf ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile)is doing to Porsche by putting their own, other's or modified engines in them to make them perform not necessarily better but faster - which is better.

I paid a lot of money for my apple products. To find out that a lot of that money i could have saved if apple wasn't paying lawyers millions, plus court fees plus that extra work for developers to cripple it's own products instead of working on a driver for a proper videocard really hurts me.
Its like finding out that your girlfriend decided to do another girl while letting some other guy watch and not you while you were at home waiting for her and cooking her dinner. That's how painful it is. I'm not sure if it's actually cheating.... but it's one of the biggest slap in the face that i can think of. It doesn't really fall in any conventionally recognised catagory except for "wrong".

This is my opinion, i'm hurt so don't kick me when i'm down because that will make you an ****** as well.

Well, this just answered my question as to WHO IN THE WORLD would vote this article positive????

 

[randyhudson]

Shirts - Epic

Epic what? Hey, why not go around overusing/misusing the latest Internet meme?! It makes you sound epic cool!

 

[charlituna]

I have to say, that is a win.

not really. it just shows how deluded they are and were.

and the only thing more lame than that shirt and their begging is this game of asking for clarification over Rebel EFI. The function of the software is to allow the installation of Mac OS X on unapproved hardware. Period. Which is spelled out in the injunction as a huge no-no that could land them in jail for contempt. It's over. Time to give up. But stupidly they won't admit they are dead and lie down.

Which makes them look not only deluded, but stupid.

Add to this that most of the very folks that might have supported them are pissed at them cause 95% of Rebel EFI is stolen work, and they are really really stupid

 

[thedbp]

FSCK Psystar

Psystar should die. All they've been doing is marking up commodity hardware and using free, open-source utilities without making the source code available as they are obligated to.

If you want an osx86 machine, build it yourself and use Empire EFI. There is no need for Psystar's "services" as all the tools you need are readily available in the wild for free, and the hardware can be assembled for far less than they are charging, plus you have total freedom of which components you decide to use.

Psystar should have known better from the beginning, and if anything, all they've done is damage the osx86 community by giving the whole scene a bad rep, while making money off of the hard work put in by osx86 enthusiasts who released the fruits of their labor for free.

Don't buy the t-shirt. Don't support this company.

 

[charlituna]

This has become a real circus. The only thing I can believe now is that Apple set up the whole thing so they can set a precedent in court so no-one can make Mac clones ever again. And then sell T-shirts.

Apple wasn't behind this pair of losers.
but you are correct that they let it play out so they could get all the possible arguments knocked down at once. in case anyone else tries the same game.

They already went bankrupt.

actually they didn't. they pulled out when they found out that the court wasn't going to let them off their prior legal fees and was going to make them turn over the financial records they don't have (I"m still waiting for the IRS to ream them with that tidbit)

its quite obvious really come on think of it, that Rebel EFI software is essentially an identical business practice to what they were doing now they are letting people do it for themselves its still illegal.

the whole EFI thing is 100% illegal even to give away yes.

but now the plan is to build the machine with the right specs for Snow Leopard but make you the buyer go and get the EFI software etc yourself. thus they didn't do any of the bad stuff. they sold you a machine. they didn't know you were going to put Mac OS on it and not Linux or Windows or build your own OS.

the trouble is that they have no rep, they have one location and no tech support. no one outside of Miami would go to them for a machine when they can get one at the local Best Buy for the same price and less fuss. so it's still a huge lose for the most part

Oh well, it was good while it lasted. Props to Psystar for having the guts to take a stand against ol' Apple. I'm probably the only one around here who is sad to see Psystar fold, but it was good to see them jabbing Apple's private little monopoly.

to have a monopoly there has to be a market where said company has the major power.

the market is Personal Computing Systems. Apple has no significant power in that market. thus tying (which is not inherently illegal) is not abusive and is legal for Apple to do. And just because they don't do things the way you want doesn't make it right for you to step up and do it your way, profit or not.

Second - Apple did not need a precedent - the law was clearly on their side.

yes and no. the current laws are on their side, but laws are flexible. a court case can change them at any time. so they needed the courts to back them up to keep their power. they got it. and now they can use it to bash other would be cloners with little fuss. and move on to investigating the local laws in the overseas countries with cloners and try to knock them out as well.

As far as I know, you cannot install Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware without violating the EULA.

more to the point, you can't without breaking the law.

Apple's EULA is a codification of the rights, current law grants them. Even without the EULA, you can't legally install as you please because the check system they use to verify hardware isn't illegal but breaking it is (under the DMCA)

I don't understand why they had to go and violate apple's license agreements by copying their software without consent? I mean, why not just build the machines, and post a link to the apple store where people can buy snow leopard themselves.

because to make the install work you have to get around Apple's check system. and that 'get around' is illegal. under the DMCA and now the injunction.