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Well snap, that's not fair, stamps foot.

Only to young immature folks with a strong sense of entitlement. Adults realise that Apple and Microsoft aren't in the same business and as such, trying to draw a parallele between installing Windows on a Mac and OS X on a PC is quite futile. :rolleyes:
 
Microsoft must be worried

I would imagine the real loser is Microsoft going by the number of people here saying they have recent PC hardware to load OS X on to, every one that does is a loss of a windows sale to MS.

It would be ironic to see the real loser as MS and not as we first think Apple
 
If PsychoStar was actually motivated to make the OS playing field level with hardware they would give it away.

I can't believe they are acutally tyring this hard!

I wonder what their business model is...

Plan A:
Pre-Install OSX on computers and sell them

Plan B:
Sell the software they used to do it themselves

Plan C:
hmmm... i don't think they got this far....
 
Um, no. Although Psystar isn't doing anything wrong by offering a compatible EFI flash, and you're not doing anything wrong by installing it. You *ARE* still doing something wrong (technically) by install OS X on it. The EULA specifically states its for use on Apple branded hardware only. Which your machine is not.

I have a MacBook Air, WTF are you talking about saying "YOUR MACHINE IS NOT?" I simply made a statement about Hackintoshes! Don't mischaracterize me or my MAC!
 
Ohw yeah, I just bought a puppy from the shelter, they explicitly told me not to breed with it in the future...mwah I do it anyway, because it's mine, I don't care about responsable breeding.
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Mac OS X is build for Macintosh Computers only. Eventhough you "own" a product, there are licenses and agreements.

When I marry someone, the both of us, and witnesses, sign an agreement and do our vows, in better and in worse, for the future.
Afterwards you don't own your wife and can do with her what ever you want and then break the marriage vows.

When you buy something of Apple, and you say yes to the terms of agreement.
From then on there is some kind of partnership between you and Apple.
When applied, they have to provide service, etc...
 
Ummm... if you LEGITIMATELY own OSX, it belong to you. Just like the iPhone. Apple needs to realize something. We do not lease there products. We own them.

While you may own the hardware on the iPhone (subject to ATT subsidy issues), you do not own the software on the iPhone. You do not own OS X. You purchase a license. A license is revocable if the terms of the license are not met. You are right, you are not leasing the software - at no point will a contract run out, at which point you will need to return the software to Apple. A license and lease are not the same.

Let's make this more simple. You want to drive on a public road. So, you buy a car. Congratulations, you are halfway there. In order to operate this car on a public road, you have to get a driver's license. Should you violate any of the terms of the license, you will no longer be permitted to drive on the public road. Now, could you operate the vehicle on a private road without issue? Yes. Could you operate it on a public road without issue? As long as you are not caught, yes. Can you use your Class C license to operate an 18-wheeler? No. The license applies in specific cercumstances. Violation may mean losing what privileges you already have. Keeping you license mean obeying the laws that have been set out to manage the roads. It also means complying with other specific requirements, such as registration and insurance. If you operate the vehicle without the license, there are consequences.

Now do you understand?
 
I would imagine the real loser is Microsoft going by the number of people here saying they have recent PC hardware to load OS X on to, every one that does is a loss of a windows sale to MS.

It would be ironic to see the real loser as MS and not as we first think Apple

Nah. The reason why I don't buy new macs is becuase I'm tied so much to Microsoft. I'll use my new OSX partition (thanks Psystar!) to dick around with. It's not like real work gets done on Macs, amiright? :D
 
because then is not now. Today is an entirely different atmosphere than the early to mid 1990's.

I think it could (and will) succeed in todays tech environment, with the iPhone/iTablet and cloud computing leading the way.

AGAIN:
Apple doesn't make money on OS sales and/or iLife sales.

And to build on what MacsRg8 says, not only do not make money (well not a lot, in any case) there are three other reasons

1) Apple's support costs would increase exponentially as they try to support all sorts of hardware combo's

2) Apple would need to write into the OS all of the drivers for all of that hardware, and finally - and most importantly....

3) People believe that Apple stuff "Just works". It may not be 100% true, but the perception is there because Apple controls just about all of the hardware combinations, and therefore the user experience is positive. Windows has virtually no control over the hardware combinations, and guess what... the perception is that Windows has a stability problem.

I'll bet the actual statistical difference in stability between Apple and Windows is not that big - but its enough that the perception is that there is a huge difference. Apple has invested a lot to get that perception, and they are not going to throw it away by going down the road MS went.

The current Windows business model is reaching the end of its life anyway, IMO. The cost of entry level PCs is now so cheap that the cost of a Windows licence is a major component of the cost of the system. MS can't give away Windows licenses because the license is the product they need to sell to make a profit. Luckily for MS they have other products, and eventually I believe they will also start using Windows as the platform they use to sell other products (Office, etc).
 
why are you guys even arguing about this... like i freakin posted... it DOESNT work
 
Only to young immature folks with a strong sense of entitlement. Adults realise that Apple and Microsoft aren't in the same business and as such, trying to draw a parallele between installing Windows on a Mac and OS X on a PC is quite futile. :rolleyes:

I know. It's crazy to think that I'm entitled to use the software I purchase any way I want. I'm so immature!!! :p
 
I still don't get why Apple are taking legal action.

They don't want people to be able to buy their OS and install it on a Windows computer, yet they have their own software in their computer that allows people to install Windows.

How is this different?

Well, it's different because Windows on Mac is a decision that Apple have chosen to allow.

Whereas OS X on generic box, Apple hasn't allowed.

And as OS X and the Mac hardware are both Apple's they can do what the hell they like, as they aren't a monopoly.
 
Go Psystar!!!!!! A company should be allowed to protect it's IP... but if I legally buy a product, I should be able to use it *any* which way I choose. They are not stealing OS X, they actually pay for each copy they pre-install.

Should Microsoft be worried that people can run Windows on a Mac? Certainly not. And people keep saying Apple can't make money on an OS.... ever hear of Windows?

If I recall, Dell said they would change in a heartbeat and offer Mac OS as an option if allowed to do so. Apple customers will probably always buy the hardware, but let other's make use of the greatest OS on the planet if they so choose.

I'm really pissed off at Apple trying to stop customers from using the products they pay for in any way they want. I love Apple, would never buy another Windows PC again, but I hate the control freaks at the top who seem to want us to use their products as they think we should.

My money, my product, my choice. Go Psystar!!!!!!!!!!

Bryan
 
The day 25% of people use Mac, Windows will be history in three years. Is Apple stupid?
 
Go Psystar!!!!!! A company should be allowed to protect it's IP... but if I legally buy a product, I should be able to use it *any* which way I choose. They are not stealing OS X, they actually pay for each copy they pre-install.

Should Microsoft be worried that people can run Windows on a Mac? Certainly not. And people keep saying Apple can't make money on an OS.... ever hear of Windows?

If I recall, Dell said they would change in a heartbeat and offer Mac OS as an option if allowed to do so. Apple customers will probably always buy the hardware, but let other's make use of the greatest OS on the planet if they so choose.

I'm really pissed off at Apple trying to stop customers from using the products they pay for in any way they want. I love Apple, would never buy another Windows PC again, but I hate the control freaks at the top who seem to want us to use their products as they think we should.

My money, my product, my choice. Go Psystar!!!!!!!!!!

Bryan

It is technically copyright infringement, and they make a decent profit (per item they sell, not cumulative). The Apple lawsuit is kind of ridiculous, considering I believe Psystar does lose money overall, and they have barely sold any OSX computers, so the Apple attack seems a bit overzealous.
 
Plus one for being an idiot? Now that's something new.

+1 for consumer rights! Idiot? Meh. I'll feel REALLY smug if my $1000 Core i7 works with this new Psystar app. With the better Video card, bluray, 9gig of ram, and 2TB of storage, it beats the pants off the new iMacs. With $1200 left over!
 
What's sickening is the fact that Psystar is trying to profit from this by selling them, something that they leeched for free from the OSx86 project. I hope the only one person that's willing to purchase this will put up a torrent on all trackers so nobody will give Psystar money. That's only fair.
I honestly don't know the details of this, but pretty much every open source license allows anyone to sell the software for profit. I had someone from a company contact me today that they were going to "leech" some of our code, and I'm helping them do it.

Depending on the license and any other changes Psystar made, that does not necessarily give you the right to illegally distribute Psystar's resulting binaries.

So, no, I would not encourage someone to do this. It is likely cut-and-dry illegal and a violation of copyright.
 
why are you guys even arguing about this... like i freakin posted... it DOESNT work

On what hardware? I've tried different combos of software from OSX86 with no luck either, even though my Dell laptop is listed on the OSX86 wiki as supported. More info?? Please? Pretty Please???
 
Go Psystar!!!!!! A company should be allowed to protect it's IP... but if I legally buy a product, I should be able to use it *any* which way I choose. They are not stealing OS X, they actually pay for each copy they pre-install.

Bryan

No they don't... they could have one snow leopard disc and use it as many times as they would like.... OSX doesn't use a key at all.
 
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