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Ummm... if you LEGITIMATELY own OSX, it belong to you. Just like the iPhone. Apple needs to realize something. We do not lease there products. We own them.

No, you own the hardware, you license the software (well you may own the physical disc). Owing software would imply that you own the intellectual content on the disc and any trademarks there-in. That is not the case with any software that you purchase weather it is from Apple or Microsoft. The minute you make a copy of any software, you have to agree to a license that specifically says that you do not own it.

I'm glad that you brought this up because this is the part that many posters here fail to realize. Even media such as movies or music follow similar guidelines. You DO own the physical media (records, cassettes, CDs, hard/flash drive, VHS, DVD, etc.) You DON'T own the content on that media. This is why many restaurants or offices with a public area play the radio. The radio station has already paid for the performance. There are restrictions that go along with what you are allowed to do with your media. Not that everyone abides by these restrictions.

The fact remains that Mattie Num Nums could not be more incorrect. Just because you own the physical Mac OS X Installer DVD does not mean that you own the content on that DVD.
 
I know. It's crazy to think that I'm entitled to use the software I purchase any way I want. I'm so immature!!! :p

The problem is you think you've purchased software. You haven't. You've purchases a plastic disk that happens to have software on it. The software itself is not sold to you, it is licensed to you.

You don't get to use it any way you want because of that. Maybe if you were a bit older and wiser, you'd understand the difference. Why do you think the FSF makes such a big deal about proprietary software ?
 
On what hardware? I've tried different combos of software from OSX86 with no luck either, even though my Dell laptop is listed on the OSX86 wiki as supported. More info?? Please? Pretty Please???

not working on my advent 4211 (msi wind)

My PC Q6600 p5ne-sli mobo (already running as a hackintosh but this rebel efi thing didnt work on this 2 times)

Spare PC (asrock g43 twins HD mobo, dual core 2 ) not working either.. strangely enough when I try to install it on this about half way through the install it cuts the PC off.... very weird... it just powers off (didnt when i tried numerous hackintosh discs)
 
No they don't... they could have one snow leopard disc and use it as many times as they would like.... OSX doesn't use a key at all.

Then that would be illegal... as I've heard from Psystar (via interview article), they are buying the copies legally. Now, if they are lying, then I would say they are in the wrong. As long as they are actually buying copies, I am behind them.

Bryan
 
Only to young immature folks with a strong sense of entitlement. Adults realise that Apple and Microsoft aren't in the same business and as such, trying to draw a parallele between installing Windows on a Mac and OS X on a PC is quite futile. :rolleyes:

What a bunch of BS with your entitlement speak. Many people love Mac OS X but Apple doesn't have enough offerings to meet everyone's needs. They shouldn't be expected to offer something for everyone, but if they opened up the Mac OS to other hardware then Apple's market share would skyrocket and could very possibly overtake Windows someday. That is my hope -- to someday see the Mac OS have majority market share. I seriously doubt this will ever happen under Steve Jobs though unless Apple looses the case with Psystar.

I think what is funny about all of this is someday Steve Jobs will be gone and someone else will come in and open it all up again. Then all of this money spent on the legal stuff will have been futile and the money wasted. Apple could be making a lot of extra money if they allowed OEM sales of Mac OS X. Even Dell has said they would offer it if it becomes available.

I would imagine the real loser is Microsoft going by the number of people here saying they have recent PC hardware to load OS X on to, every one that does is a loss of a windows sale to MS.

It would be ironic to see the real loser as MS and not as we first think Apple

I don't know anyone who is only running Mac OS X on a PC. Everyone is dual booting so they can still play games under Windows.
 
I would be curious to know how many people put in credit cards that "didn't go through," I would be suspicious personally. I bet a company that knows it is on it's last legs wouldn't mind recouping some money at the end of a good run...
 
Wow $50 to steal an OS.

Great job losers!

Who's stealing? Retail copies of OSX are available for purchase at a number of retailers... This seems to do nothing but add choice in hardware. Apple already sells their product for around 200 USD so assuming the install disc was purchased, nobody is stealing anything.

I understand the thought processes behind Apple's hardware restriction (profit and compatibility) but if someone is willing to buy retail and go it alone with non-standard hardware I don't see who's getting hurt.

Whats the big deal?
 
Ummm... if you LEGITIMATELY own OSX, it belong to you. Just like the iPhone. Apple needs to realize something. We do not lease there products. We own them.

Not quite.

And certainly not when you turn around and resell it as part of a business without licensing.
 
Then that would be illegal... as I've heard from Psystar (via interview article), they are buying the copies legally. Now, if they are lying, then I would say they are in the wrong. As long as they are actually buying copies, I am behind them.

Bryan

Which, because they cannot prove that they are buying these copies legally (they "lost" the receipts, apparently), in the eyes of the law they did steal those copies, until they can prove otherwise.

jW
 
They're selling a workaround for $89?

Apple is selilng the entire OS for $29?

Yeah, that's rational.

This front is going to crash and burn.

This is Apple's fault. They told people it was an upgrade and you must have Leopard installed.. but Apple lied. The $29 OS can install a full version even if you don't have Leopard. That's not anyone's fault but Apple. They could have put some verification code in there, but they just lied to us and tried scaring us into buying Leopard first, then installing Snow Leopard.

Bryan
 
Hush money

If PsychoStar was actually motivated to make the OS playing field level with hardware they would give it away.

I can't believe they are acutally tyring this hard!

I wonder what their business model is...

Plan A:
Pre-Install OSX on computers and sell them

Plan B:
Sell the software they used to do it themselves

Plan C:
hmmm... i don't think they got this far....

Plan C (and what I think is their REAL business model) is Apple paying out millions of dollars to them to just go away and never be heard from again.
 
They shouldn't be expected to, but if they opened up the Mac OS to other hardware then Apple's market share would skyrocket and could very possibly overtake Windows someday.

The last thing any OS X user in their right mind would want is for it to become a Windows clone. There goes nearly every reason to use OS X. Right out the window.

This "open up OS X" garbage seriously has to stop. It's bad business from every angle, and it would certainly be a colossal disservice to the average user.

Besides, No one, that is, NO ONE in their right mind selling computers or software in the current market is interested in seeing a legal precedent set that blows a hole in the principle of the EULA.

Apple succeeds spectacularly with Macs and OS X precisely because it's a closed, controlled ecosystem. Anything else (or anything less), and OS X becomes a Windows clone. And who the hell would want that?? The whole reason behind Apple's business model when it comes to Macs (and their resulting success) is that OS X is tied to Apple's hardware. This is the reason customer satisfaction rates are so high, year after year. This is the reason the also-rans of the industry aspire to render their products more "Mac-like" in every way possible.

This "freely use computing hardware the way they want" and "open up OS X" notion lives and dies in small corners of the internet, and in the even smaller corners in which Apple fan sites live, fuelled mainly by the geek/tech-enthusiast minority that (wrongly) thinks it knows whats best for everyone else. In fact, Apple knows best. Period. The proof is in the numbers. Hackintoshes and mucking around with the OS and wailing about "freeing" it is alright for that small segment of Apple's user base (a segment which in the grand scheme of things is inconsequential anyway), but it would be a monumental disservice to the average user.

Apple succeeds because of these specific differentiations. It's a coveted business model that others only wish they could emulate successfully. We're at the point now, where if the average user has $1000+ to spend (and apparently, plenty of them do!) a Mac will be near or at the very top of their list. That's quite an accomplishment. It's the reason Ballmer ends up looking stupid, flustered, and tongue-tied at press conferences, especially when he's in a room-full of Macs.And by the way, the last thing Apple's numbers, record Mac sales, and dominance of consumer mindshare and opinion would suggest is for Apple to opne up its OS. There's simply no demand for that and no reason to do so, especually when Apple's making headlines, dominating mindshare, #1 in satisfaction surveys and reports year after year, the darling of the tech industry, and defying the recession with its current business model. Do you think Apple would be stupid enough to let go of all that??
 
It is technically copyright infringement, and they make a decent profit (per item they sell, not cumulative). The Apple lawsuit is kind of ridiculous, considering I believe Psystar does lose money overall, and they have barely sold any OSX computers, so the Apple attack seems a bit overzealous.

It doesn't matter, companies have a legal obligation to defend their IP from any company that is infringing it.

Go Psystar!!!!!! A company should be allowed to protect it's IP... but if I legally buy a product, I should be able to use it *any* which way I choose. They are not stealing OS X, they actually pay for each copy they pre-install.

You do not buy OSX. You buy a disc that contains a Licensed copy of OSX which you have to agree to use it. You do not buy OSX. That would mean that you own IP. You do not.

Should Microsoft be worried that people can run Windows on a Mac? Certainly not. And people keep saying Apple can't make money on an OS.... ever hear of Windows?

If I recall, Dell said they would change in a heartbeat and offer Mac OS as an option if allowed to do so. Apple customers will probably always buy the hardware, but let other's make use of the greatest OS on the planet if they so choose.

Irrelivent - Dell would of course have a legal license agreement. Apple does not want to engage in that business and it is their legal right.
I'm really pissed off at Apple trying to stop customers from using the products they pay for in any way they want. I love Apple, would never buy another Windows PC again, but I hate the control freaks at the top who seem to want us to use their products as they think we should.

Guess what bucko - every software product you buy has licensing limitations. Thats how the software industry works. For the umpteenth time you do not own the software.
 
it's a hoax

These morons have gone to far.

It's one thing harassing a bunch of corp lawyers, it's another thing entirely hassling thousands of uses

these idiots are jerking us around to get at Apple?

They are insane no doubt.

It's probably one person behind all this and he's mentally imbalanced it appears.

a lot of us thought it was MS behind the scenes which would make some sense but it appears there's some madness here

rather amusing.
 
It seems like EULAs have varying degrees of legal enforceability in the first place and I don't think that's a good enough reason to not try this out.
 
Which, because they cannot prove that they are buying these copies legally (they "lost" the receipts, apparently), in the eyes of the law they did steal those copies, until they can prove otherwise.

jW

But you are innocent until proven guilty.. in the eyes of the law. Right now Psystar has done nothing illegal apparently.

Look, would I buy a Psytar machine? Not on your life. But as long as they are making a computer to run a piece of software legally acquired, I'm for that. I'm not for stealing the OS. They *must* buy it at retail, or from Apple, or otherwise. But once copy/one machine. If they couldn't prove that, then I would rethink my position.

Bryan
 
Then that would be illegal... as I've heard from Psystar (via interview article), they are buying the copies legally. Now, if they are lying, then I would say they are in the wrong. As long as they are actually buying copies, I am behind them.

Bryan

Of course, when asked to by Apple in the trial and approved by the court, they failed to produce any evidence of having payed for the copies of OS X sold on their systems.
 
Go Psystar!!!!!! A company should be allowed to protect it's IP... but if I legally buy a product, I should be able to use it *any* which way I choose. They are not stealing OS X, they actually pay for each copy they pre-install.

Try telling that to Microsoft when you try and re-install your Sony OEM version of Windows onto a Dell. They will quite politely tell you to f**k off and buy another license. You can't legally do it, end of story.

Should Microsoft be worried that people can run Windows on a Mac? Certainly not. And people keep saying Apple can't make money on an OS.... ever hear of Windows?

Have you seen how much Microsoft charges for their feature complete versions of Windows, compared to OS X?

Also, Windows 2003 Standard Server with a 5-client license ~$980.
Snow Leopard Server on a Mac Mini with 1TB of HD, 4GB RAM and Unlimited Client license about $999.

Snow Leopard Server does way more than Win 2k3 Standard, and includes Snow Leopards ability to be a primary Windows Domain Controller.

If I recall, Dell said they would change in a heartbeat and offer Mac OS as an option if allowed to do so. Apple customers will probably always buy the hardware, but let other's make use of the greatest OS on the planet if they so choose.

The choice to make the OS available to every person/computer is Apple's and Apple's alone. Get over yourself and live with it!

I'm really pissed off at Apple trying to stop customers from using the products they pay for in any way they want.

See my first comment. You and everyone else (especially in the US) have this warped view and sense of entitlement to everything. In the real world this isn't the case. There a rules you have to obey and live with, so get used to it.

I love Apple, would never buy another Windows PC again, but I hate the control freaks at the top who seem to want us to use their products as they think we should.

It's the control freaks that make the OS X experience so compelling and pleasant. Get rid of that control and you'll end up with Windows. My case in point being Windows. Everything moves at a glacial pace.

My money, my product, my choice. Go Psystar!!!!!!!!!!

Your money, yes!
Your product, no. It's Apple's. You have a license to use it per their terms.
Your choice, so make it and stop whining.
 
This is Apple's fault. They told people it was an upgrade and you must have Leopard installed.. but Apple lied. The $29 OS can install a full version even if you don't have Leopard. That's not anyone's fault but Apple. They could have put some verification code in there, but they just lied to us and tried scaring us into buying Leopard first, then installing Snow Leopard.

Bryan

Nonsense. It is an upgrade. The Mac hardware you purcahsed is the proof of purchase needed to install OSX legitimatly. You do know that Windows Upgrade discs will install on an empty hard drive too (once you prove that you own a legitimate license).

It's irrelevant how the software functions. Once a copy process happens, the terms of the license kick in.
 
i didn't read the whole thread because it is exploding faster than i can read it.

if i install osx on my pc can i then run bootcamp so that i can run xp? i just like to go the long way around - scenic route ya'know?
 
Its a dud ...it doesnt work at all.. Iv now had multiple goes on 3 different machines... it doesnt work... installation fails at the exact same point every time.

Atleast I have a real Mac :D feels so much better than a hackintosh anyway
 
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