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Who's stealing? Retail copies of OSX are available for purchase at a number of retailers... This seems to do nothing but add choice in hardware. Apple already sells their product for around 200 USD so assuming the install disc was purchased, nobody is stealing anything.

I understand the thought processes behind Apple's hardware restriction (profit and compatibility) but if someone is willing to buy retail and go it alone with non-standard hardware I don't see who's getting hurt.

Whats the big deal?

whats the big deal???
i sincerely hope ,apple could find you and sue you for eula infrigment.

all the guys saying that they bought a hackintosh in this forum should be sued by apple inc.
when the rumors spread you could be next....:D
 
Tell me, what makes "The PC" an open platform? What is a PC? Define it please. There is no one singular platform called a PC. There are many different types of PC's, and many of them are not considered to be open in any sense of the word. Dropping the "license crap" would be the end of the business of Apple, and the entire industry would suffer because of it. Instead of Apple changing the way they do business, you need to change the way you think about things. If Apple doesn't defend their right to do business the way they choose, everyone loses (even if they don't own a Mac).

jW

When I'm talking about 'PC' I mean of course the current iteration of standards that have descended from the 'IBM PC' hardware platform. I naturally asumed everyone was on the same page about what a PC was.

What makes it open is that there are standards like the BIOS, the EFI, ACPI, PCI, SATA, etc etc, hell even the x86 instruction set can be called a standard.

Apple is putting together a custom configuration of hardware that is 100% compatible to that standard, and then putting their OS on it specifically locked to that hardware so it cannot be used on any other configuration.

We are not talking unsupported hardware here, nor are we talking missing driver support. We are talking actively locking the OS to their hardware which is in it's core in no way different to the other hardware out there. If Microsoft pulled a stunt like that the whole world would be all over them.

In fact Microsoft isn't even allowed to bundle IE to Windows just like that anymore in the EU, which proves my point. I don't have to change my way of thinking to some crippled proprietary prison way to make this seem just. Apple has to change their way of thinking and accept that they won't get away with this much longer.

Tell me please, how would this be the end of Apple? Their computer hardware is good, their products are nice, their design is nice, they have innovative solutions. As long as their prices don't skyrocket I see no reason why any of their current customers would stop buying Apple hardware. On top of that more people, who can't afford to buy Apple hardware, would buy OS X to run it on their PCs.

If you are trying to make the point that Apple's business only survives because OS X is the huge selling point for their hardware, this would mean that their hardware either sucks hard or is way overpiced. People buy their hardware because it works and gets the job done. This wouldn't change if OS X were allowed to run on toasters too, would it?
 
when do you and some other idiots dont understand, that APPLE DOESN´T WANT THEIR OSX OPPENED.
i´m totally agree with that, dont you see windows exemple , huge problems ,virus trojans,
apple doesnt´t need 90% of the open market.

i dont want apple with 90% of the open market if third party software and low specs hardware doesnt make the osx run well .
me and some millions prefer to be only 10% of the market and run the osx WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. with nice hardware specs.
apple is creating a enjoyable experience using a mac.
to the users that, dont have money to buy a original HARDWARE FROM APPLE STORE, dont have ,money for buying a simple $0.99 APP, SHOULNT´T HAVE A IPHONE OR A MAC LAPTOP .
apple is nothing giving what you except???? , too expensive????please go to the windows stores, you being there ??? not satisfied on what the competition offer ????? you still whant the mac????? go to work lazy bastard like i do everyday......


i cannot affort on the day of the release , but save for 6 months and buy one when is possible ,AND I´M HAPPY WITH IT.

I'm not really sure how many PC users really want OSX as their main OS. Isn't more about the challenge of trying to get it to work?

(much like in my youth the challenge of hacking into university networks)

Pyster may have missed the mark on this one, charging for this program.

A lot of the "hackintosh" community won't fall for it and will just pirate Pyster's program.
 
Yes, amusing ideed.

What the hell does "Reason Code: IE" mean on a whois record, cos psystar.com's record was updated at 17:15 EDT today :p

No, that's the last time the WHOIS database was updated. Their domain was last updates on the 17th.

It certainly wouldn't be difficult for Apple to file a DCMA take down notice with Psystar's ISP and have their site yanked off-line.
 
This is Apple's fault. They told people it was an upgrade and you must have Leopard installed.. but Apple lied. The $29 OS can install a full version even if you don't have Leopard.

Are you really that clueless Bryan. Just because you can do it doesn't make it legal.

The fact that Apple said explicitly that it's an upgrade and you must have Leopard installed, means that you have knowingly broken the license agreement if you didn't have Leopard.

It means that Psystar can't legally sell their Open systems with Snow Leopard, as by definition they have broken the law, because they haven't got Leopard. And that is where they will get nailed, although it'll be in a separate lawsuit now.
 
well its working for me except need the disc to boot up, but it works amazingly well infact im impressed with how easy it was..and the performance is like whooaaa
 
Wow, this is pretty sweet. If my x58 i7 rig is supported, I'll definitely be grabbing this and a copy of Snow Leopard. A Mac Pro for essentially $30 plus Psystar's program is a pretty good deal.
 
And you're wrong; Microsoft & Apple are in deed in the same business. They each make operating systems which then peddle to the general public.

Nope, I'm right. Apple is not in the software business like Microsoft is. Apple produces a vertically integrated solution in the form of hardware, OS and software. OS X is not a product in and of itself, the product is the Mac, and it is composed of the physical computer, Mac OS X running on it, and iLife/iWork and other software packages Apple sells.

They are more direct competitors to Dell, Toshiba, HP than to Microsoft. They have everything to lose from losing their hardware business. They don't make money off software, it's there to sell the underlying hardware. Apple loses a hardware sale when you install OS X on a non-Apple computer.

Microsoft on the other hand makes profit everytime someone licenses Windows from them. To install Windows on your Mac, you need to pay Microsoft. This is a win for them because that's what their business is, selling you Windows. They don't care on what hardware you install it on because their business is not hardware.

So maybe you should understand a thing or two about the market before you go off spouting nonsense. :rolleyes:
 
APPLE IS ACTUALLY DOING BETTER EVERY QUARTER WHILE OTHERS ARE LOSING MONEY. EVEN MICROSOFT'S PROFITS ARE WAY DOWN. WHILE APPLE IS DOING GREAT DURING A RECESSION. You know what? maybe you are on to something. They should change their model from what is blowing the doors off of everyone else, to go to what they are doing. Allow increase support cost by a factor of 1000 for all of the different configurations and then maybe increase market share by double. Only instead of making $500-800 on each sale they make 90 - 120. Then allow others to make garbage versions of their products and create an army of dissatisfied customers calling them while the clones actually steal profitable sales from them. I think that makes a lot of sense. Keep in mind that Microsoft makes 90 percent of their money from manufacturer who pre-install windows. Consumers do choose them. They use their threat of the unknown to keep the HPs in line and other times just pay them off to keep others from competing.



The problem with Microsoft is there really is no way to support every configuration, and they know it. Apple is doing it right. Their way of doing things was working from the start, then the fell into the Microsoft trap. Keep in mind Microsoft is a sneaky crafty company and they are always looking to cut your throat. They pushed the whole Idea of clones to Apple first, they didn't bite. And a company who is not as cut throat as MS would not have succeeded with this model. They try to kill competition in any way possible but not by actually making a better product. When Apple follow them they lost their way and almost went under. Now they are back on track and can't be stopped.

Those that want Apple to fail want them to try it again. Thank God Jobs is not that stupid!
im with you

if tomorow apple will back to their powerpc system i would go after....
 
These leeches haven't already gone for their second bankruptcy already?
 
when do you and some other idiots dont understand, that APPLE DOESN´T WANT THEIR OSX OPPENED.
i´m totally agree with that, dont you see windows exemple , huge problems ,virus trojans,
apple doesnt´t need 90% of the open market.

This is no longer true. Windows is much more secure than it used to be. If you download automatic updates and run Microsoft Security Essentials you no longer have to worry about Trojans and Viruses.

i dont want apple with 90% of the open market if third party software and low specs hardware doesnt make the osx run well .
me and some millions prefer to be only 10% of the market and run the osx WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. with nice hardware specs.
apple is creating a enjoyable experience using a mac.

You obviously feel some sense of entitlement. You think that the way you choose to use your computer is more important than the way I choose to use mine. You, as an end user just like me, have no right to tell me how I can or can't choose to use my computer. That is between me and Apple as outlined in the license, which as of now forbids me from using Mac on non Apple hardware, which I'm not currently doing. You just sound like another 14 year old fanboy with a hard-on for Apple.

to the users that, dont have money to buy a original HARDWARE FROM APPLE STORE, dont have ,money for buying a simple $0.99 APP, SHOULNT´T HAVE A IPHONE OR A MAC LAPTOP .
apple is nothing giving what you except???? , too expensive????please go to the windows stores, you being there ??? not satisfied on what the competition offer ????? you still whant the mac????? go to work lazy bastard like i do everyday......

i cannot affort on the day of the release , but save for 6 months and buy one when is possible ,AND I´M HAPPY WITH IT.

I own two Macs already -- I have an iMac and a MBP -- and I've been using Macs since I was 14 years old, which was 14 years ago. As far as the competition, Windows 7 is actually a viable replacement for OS X now, but I still like the look and feel of OS X better, and I don't want to have to re-purchase all of the Windows versions of software that I already own for my Mac.
 
Nope, I'm right. Apple is not in the software business like Microsoft is. Apple produces a vertically integrated solution in the form of hardware, OS and software. OS X is not a product in and of itself, the product is the Mac, and it is composed of the physical computer, Mac OS X running on it, and iLife/iWork and other software packages Apple sells.

They are more direct competitors to Dell, Toshiba, HP than to Microsoft. They have everything to lose from losing their hardware business. They don't make money off software, it's there to sell the underlying hardware. Apple loses a hardware sale when you install OS X on a non-Apple computer.

Microsoft on the other hand makes profit everytime someone licenses Windows from them. To install Windows on your Mac, you need to pay Microsoft. This is a win for them because that's what their business is, selling you Windows. They don't care on what hardware you install it on because their business is not hardware.

So maybe you should understand a thing or two about the market before you go off spouting nonsense. :rolleyes:

That's true but you are also missing the point. This isn't about Apple giving up their current business and become like Microsoft just selling OS X. This is about dropping an EULA statement that legally binds OS X to Apple hardware, and remove the DRM from Mac OS that artificially binds it to their hardware.

Nobody is asking them to drop their hardware business OR to put effort into supporting OS X on PCs. All we are asking is to be allowed to do as we please with a piece of software we buy from Apple. Their current EULA won't stand in court anyway once it attracts more attention, at least not in the EU.
 
What's sickening is the fact that Psystar is trying to profit from this by selling them, something that they leeched for free from the OSx86 project. I hope the only one person that's willing to purchase this will put up a torrent on all trackers so nobody will give Psystar money. That's only fair.

I know, seriously! What type of purely greedy computer manufacturer allows one to also boot the OS of the competition (*coughs Boot Camp*). What a disgraceful profiteering racket.
 
Wow, this is pretty sweet. If my x58 i7 rig is supported, I'll definitely be grabbing this and a copy of Snow Leopard. A Mac Pro for essentially $30 plus Psystar's program is a pretty good deal.
My copy of Snow Leopard is going to be useful when I get home from work now. :eek:
 
I know, seriously! What type of purely greedy computer manufacturer allows one to also boot the OS of the competition (*coughs Boot Camp*). What a disgraceful profiteering racket.

Does DELL, Acer or Samsung try to prohibit you from installing Linux or Mac OS on their macihnes? No Apple does.
 
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Some people in this thread are really stupid.

Careful. You *really* have to be right now. Let's see how you do . . .

Calling the people who fund Psystar "Windows lovers" or "Apple haters" is just a statement of how sad you are.

Have you seen the way Psystar operates? Never mind the IP/EULA issues, just take a gander at the way they've been doing business. Thety couldn't even produce basic accounting information for court. Their conduct alone casts certain aspersions over not only them, but the integrity of their "legal team", such that it is. Exactly ehat level of customr support do you think these clowns are willing to offer the average user? Dollars-to-donuts, once Joe Average goes Psystar, he's on his own, in a big way.

This has gotten fanboy written all over it. Stop instantly loving everything Apple ever does and start thinking with your brains for a minute please.

Give me a good reason not to love Apple and what they do. Macs + OS X is the entire reason we're here. You like Macs and OS X, great. That means you also need to buy in to their business model, because that is EXACTLY why OS X is as great as it is. You can't have it both ways.

Nobody is asking Apple to start putting more work into making OS X work with PCs. The fact is that right now Apple is actively putting work into NOT making it work with PCs.

You can stil play with hackintoshes and do your own research. Or is Apple supposed to make it easier for you?? Do you think you're entitled??

All we ask is that Apple stops doing that. The PC is an open platform,

Until you decide to run a business selling Windows without a license. That "open" platform will close up real fast.

Apple chose to start using it when they switched to Intel processors, this is no longer _their_ hardware, it's just their configuration of standards. They have no right to lock their software to an open hardware platform and claim that it is legit because it's their complete product.

Intel is just fine with it. Apple is in a partnership with Intei. They were also in a partnership with Motorola. Intel just happens to be used by Microsoft as well.

Sooner or later Apple will lose this right via court.

Based on the magnificent progress Psystar has been making against Apple?? They're barely treading water at this point.

That will be a painful day for an unprepared Apple.

Do you honesly think that Apple, the Masters of Litigtation, are unprepared??? Hell, forget litigation . . . they've utterly defied a recession. Apple's insight and forethought is legendary.

If Apple decided however to stop fighting this today, I don't see anything they could lose.

Except their entire business model, record profits, and the very things that make OS X desirable. Nothing much, really.

They can stop putting work into locking up OS X and nobody asks them to put a special effort into making it run on PCs either. Just drop the license crap, let everyone who buys it use it on even their toaster if they get it to run, and everyone will be happy.

That "everyone will be happy line" is interesting. Just who is everyone? Because consumers right now, are more than happy with Apple's business model. In fact, consumers have been handing Apple record quarter after record quarter. Have you not been keeping up with current events? Apple's mac business is booming. Just who is this "everyone" you're referring to? Your hackintosh hobby doesn't mean squat outside of these little Apple forums. Why are you attempting to create the existence of demand when there really isn't any??
 
My copy of Snow Leopard is going to be useful when I get home from work now. :eek:

Yeah, I just hope their site gets back up, and I may have to go Snow Leopard. I'm wondering if the GTX 260 is supported? Also, does the free trial basically mean 1 free usage? But boy does this look remarkable. Cheap, powerful hardware combined with Apple's OS is what I've always dreamed of.
 
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