Yeah I'm at work and I don't have anything to take it home now. I'll have to wait for the site to recover because this is a megaton.
I'm not regretting getting my Snow Leopard DVD anymore after this announcement.
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Psystar Releases 'Rebel EFI' Software to Enable Installation of Snow Leopard on PCs
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I'm not regretting getting my Snow Leopard DVD anymore after this announcement.
Last I checked, the "IBM PC" descended platform didn't run off EFI. Hence why you need Bootcamp to install Windows or Linux natively on your Mac.
The "IBM PC" platform uses the BIOS. Or now are you going to say that my HP Integrity boxes are PCs because they use Intel processors
(they boot off the same EFI Apple uses).Actually, you can install whatever OS you want on Apple Hardware. They just want you to buy the hardware.
Apple does not license you to use their software on machines other than Apple hardware. If you don't like it, don't use OS X.
Yup. I figure I'll buy a family pack and upgrade all 3 (soon to be 4) Macs in my household. Been holding off, but this can't wait.
The day they do drop the statement from the EULA and the "DRM" kext, is the day Apple dies.
We've already been down this road. But it seems some people need to repeat history, instead of learning from the mistakes of hte past.
If you want to do what you want with the software you license, I would suggest using BSD or GPL licensed software instead of proprietary software. Their IP, their rules.
Wait what does Apple do ? You're saying Apple prohibits you from installing Linux or Mac OS on their machines ?
Why did my Mac come with Mac OS X and why can I install Linux through bootcamp if that is the case ? You're not even making any sense.
Why is everyone getting so upset? This is a good thing, people who never considered a Mac may try it out and like and might actually buy a real Mac. I swear some of you guys act like they're stealing from you.
this is workign great for me other than the bootloader issue... can anyone help me out i hate bootloaders... i can only boot into snow leopard with the rebel efi disc in the drive to load up its own bootloader so i can select the usb hdd... and boot into SL
I tried searching how to install chameleon.. but it keeps mentioning mbr whereas psystar said to chooose GUID in the installation so i did...
btw anyone else who does this and the installation fails at the end... again il repeat IGNORE IT and restart then put the rebel efi disc in and boot your partition it will work
I tried searching how to install chameleon.. but it keeps mentioning mbr whereas psystar said to chooose GUID in the installation so i did...
btw anyone else who does this and the installation fails at the end... again il repeat IGNORE IT and restart then put the rebel efi disc in and boot your partition it will work
They do ? Why haven't they provided said license then when asked to by the courts during discovery in their litigation against Apple ?
And who exactly granted this license to distribute OS X to them ?
It's a good thing that you aren't the US courts and they actually need more paperwork in civil cases before they declare something as broad as "Psystar has a license to sell it".
why did you buy a mac in first place?
aluminium??? price???? windows and mac osx and linux ????osx??? girls like it??? i have a mac im cool??? just to try??? you bought a iphone now you need a mac??? photoshop??? too many virus in w???? gift from your mama???
tell us your reason why do you bought a apple macbook????
nice choise buy the way...
I'm replying to your statements in my quote in their order:
It's unhealthy to love everything a company does unconditionally just because you like / use 2 of their products.
I'm not saying they should make it easier, but they also shouldn't try to make it harder. It's a losing game for them.
We should stay on topic here. The topic here is: Psystar is selling a software that allows you to install OS X on a PC. We are not talking about Psystar is selling hardware with possibly pirated copies of OS X on them.
By going into partnership with Intel they entered the world of the IBM PC platform. If their hardware was to differ significantly we wouldn't be here today. But the fact is it doesn't. And artificially binding OS X to Apple-only hardware is the same thing as binding IE to Windows legally really. It won't stand in the long run.
No, probably not because of Psystar. But once Apple gains more market strength, this will work itself out naturally. It's a monopoly problem: Apple Hardware is the only way to go if you want OS X. Two seperate products artifically bound to each other. The only reason Apple hasn't been smited already is because of their computer market share world wide.
Apple is doing very well at the moment yes. Don't get me wrong, I don't hope Apple will fail, I hope Apple will succeed and will see this mistake early enough and not underestimate it.
Please!!! Apple is making their record profits not from Macs but from iPods, iPhones, App and Music sales. Their computer hardware business hasn't been the top of their income or anywhere close it for a long time now.
Now I'm the one with foresight and I forsee that Apple market share will rise, more people will get to know OS X, more people will want to use it on their own hardware, there will be rising pressure on Apple and if they don't unlock it they will be made to unlock it.
By the way. I'm not using a Hackintosh, I have a MacBook Pro, and not just one. I also have a few iPods and an iPhone. Contrary to most people in these forums however I don't blindly love Apple for everything they do. This is one of the examples I'm not on the same page with them. I agree with Psystar and others that OSX should not be bound to Apple hardware legally or technically.
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well I'm going to buy it just because I want to see it working on my desktop and maybe just a little bit because it seems to piss so many people off! LOL I have a Dell XPS 420 with a q6600 quad core and a nvidia 8800 gt and 4gb RAM and a 2209WA E-IPS Dell monitor so it should work, and look, pretty good.
well I'm going to buy it just because I want to see it working on my desktop and maybe just a little bit because it seems to piss so many people off! LOL I have a Dell XPS 420 with a q6600 quad core and a nvidia 8800 gt and 4gb RAM and a 2209WA E-IPS Dell monitor so it should work, and look, pretty good.
same thing said about vcr's when they came out.
What if the networks had said you could only play the programs recorded on nbc, or cbs, etc...labelled tvs?
Wow, yet another Psystar thread. Here we go again, around and around. OK ...
And yet when one criticizes Apple for almost anything, take for example removing Firewire (again) from the Macbook, the immediate Apple fanboy answer is something like "Apple knows exactly what it's doing, have you seen their profits lately?"
I guess greed and rip-offs are only OK when Apple does them. In fact, greed more or less is the driving characteristic of Apple in the recent Jobs era.
And yet when one criticizes Apple for almost anything, take for example removing Firewire (again) from the Macbook, the immediate Apple fanboy answer is something like "Apple knows exactly what it's doing, have you seen their profits lately?"
I guess greed and rip-offs are only OK when Apple does them. In fact, greed more or less is the driving characteristic of Apple in the recent Jobs era.
Last I checked, the "IBM PC" descended platform didn't run off EFI. Hence why you need Bootcamp to install Windows or Linux natively on your Mac.
The "IBM PC" platform uses the BIOS. Or now are you going to say that my HP Integrity boxes are PCs because they use Intel processors
EFI is also an Intel standard, that hasn't made it to the PC world yet. It will though. Nobody is asking Apple to make OS X run on BIOS. Others will do that.
Apple shouldn't technically bind to their specific hardware either though. Nor legally.
They do ? Why haven't they provided said license then when asked to by the courts during discovery in their litigation against Apple ?
And who exactly granted this license to distribute OS X to them ?
It's a good thing that you aren't the US courts and they actually need more paperwork in civil cases before they declare something as broad as "Psystar has a license to sell it".
I believe he is actually in agreement with you but his poor comprehension/use of English is making him think you are actually supporting Psystar.
Wow, maybe I can finally run Snow Leopard in full 64 bit mode, which my expensive 2008 Mac Pro cannot do.
I need something to play around with tonight. My coworker just rushed off to buy a Studio 17 with Windows 7 and it's such a fully featured notebook short of the GPU. Not that she cares about that.
Jesus does everything have to be perfectly spelled out for you guys here.
Completing my previous statement:
Does DELL, Acer or Samsung try to prohibit you from installing Linux or Mac OS on their macihnes? No. Who then is behind not allowing you to install Mac OS on their (DELL, Acer, Samsung) machines? Apple is.
Please enlighten me, since Apple hasn't been too interesting for me before the Intel switch.
Well, no.
1. When you purchase MacOS X Leopard or Snow Leopard, the purchase is not final until you have accepted Apple's license agreement.
2. Apple's license agreement, which you have to accept to legally purchase MacOS X, states that you have no right to install this software on a computer that is not Apple-labeled (10.5) / not Apple branded (10.6), and that doing so will revoke your license.
3. Because of (2) you are committing copyright infringement when you install MacOS X on a computer that is not Apple labeled/branded, and you are also committing copyright infringement every single time you use MacOS X.
I expect that Apple will eventually ask Psystar for a complete customer list.
QFT. Apple isn't making killer sales off of their expensive Mac computers. Walk into your local Apple Store and it will be packed just about every day of the week. But watch what people are walking away with. You'll see the occasional iMac or white MB, but most people are buying iPods.
That is BS and you know it. If/when Apple opens up the Mac OS to non Apple hardware, it will NOT be a repeat of what happened in the 90s and kill Apple. Apple is no longer Apple Computer. They are now just Apple, and like Sony they have products in your living room, in your pocket, and in your car. They now have an entirely new market share in music that they didn't have in the 90s and they no longer require computer hardware sales to survive.
So Macs aren't PCs now ?
Others don't have a right to do that. Not with OS X anyway. If someone wants to write a BIOS bootloader capable of running Darwin, more power to them, and Apple won't object because Darwin is open sourced and the license permits that kind of hacking.
Check out their earnings call. The Mac computers are still very much their core business. Losing that might mean the end of their iPod business, the iTunes Music Store and other activities as investors move to greener pastures.
No, but it needs to be understandable. We can't debate or answer you if we don't even understand what you are saying. Writing concise responses is important.
As for your comment, I sure hope Dell doesn't prohibit me from installing Linux on their machines. They don't own Linux and they don't own the hardware they sell me. Contrary to software, I'm not licensing the laptop from Dell and Canonical is licensing Linux to me for use in an approved way by installing it on my hardware (actually, the GPL doesn't restrict use at all and neither does copyright, so no one can technically tell you how to use or not use GPL software).
Apple owns Mac OS X. They own the copyright, they own the trademark. The are the licensor. They have every right to decide how you get to use and/or distribute their IP.
You are simply stating what we all know here. What was your point exactly ? IP law is IP law. If you don't agree with it, you can always choose the FSF in their crusade against it with their "copyleft" philosophy.
I think Apple should sell OSX to run on any PC. Charge more for it. Only allowing a watered down version. No ILife. Take out some of the Mac only features. Make that only available for people who purchase Mac products.
Stick it to Microsoft!!! Don't provide apple support. Support must come from the PC manufacturer. I don't know about any of you but, I like being able to talk to an American when calling for support. I like being able to goto my local Apple store and get help if needed.
But hey... that is just me..
Stick it to Microsoft!!! Don't provide apple support. Support must come from the PC manufacturer. I don't know about any of you but, I like being able to talk to an American when calling for support. I like being able to goto my local Apple store and get help if needed.
But hey... that is just me..