Psystar to Challenge Mac OS X EULA?

[xbjllb]

Get MacPro or an external Firewire enclosure for use with any mac.
Buy Blu-Ray burner, and RoxioToast.
Install.
Done.

So you are saying you want a computer with user replaceable parts but can't figure out / don't realize how to install a Blu-Ray burner?

If you say you have money to spend on a professional system, but is only *professional* enough to use a 12" iMac G4, then you actually don't have the money. You should get an intel iMac instead, or perhaps invest in some training in your desired field.

You can ONLY author and burn blu-ray VIDEO discs on the PC side. That's unforgiveable as well.

There's a new iMac in the house; I let my roomate use it. I use it when necessary. I also have an external blu-ray burner, and the Roxio blu-ray authoring program.

But NONE of that negates my claim the Mac Pros ARE NOT CUTTING EDGE. Except in price.

Or that the most expensive desktop in the world SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THOSE THINGS OUT OF THE BOX without RESORTING TO WINDOZE.

Which I ALSO have, with Parallels.

I also know how to put in cards. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO for what Apple charges.

 

[surferfromuk]

What an INFERIOR product

Mmmmh, what a dilemma you have?

Buy a piece of **** from a garage in Miami and run a hooky copy of Leopard on it - expecting your high end apps like final cut pro to run on it without a hitch
or
buy a quality mac pro safe in the knowledge that it will last for years, be totally supported and updatable and run your pro apps without a problem.

Seriously, without sounding condescending, just buy the mac pro and stop being so angry about stuff that really isn't that big a deal -just get the 'great mac pro' and enjoy your life - be thankful you can even afford such a great piece of kit because let me say your 'cheap,angry' attitude is going to spill over into every piece of music and movie that you make on that piece of Miami vice bullcrap computer. Seriously, I urge you to let go the hate, just buy yourself a Mac and enjoy your life.

 

[xbjllb]

A company that lives there will outpace its competitors by leaps and bounds. If it means skipping a technology, then it is skipped, the competitors follow suit, and the general level of technology advances faster than if no one had stuck out their neck.

No one had touchscreen phones until the iPhone. No one saw the need. Now that there is an elegant, working, mainstream solution, touchscreens are permeating society.

Holographic storage disks may even be cancelled if protein-coated disks are released soon enough. You're claiming that having more storage sooner and cheaper will put a company out of business. How can you say that?

I'm claiming that Apple is NOT getting my $9000, and I'm the tip of the iceberg.

If they and you think they can survive without their high end power pro app users, that much sooner they will be following Amiga into the toilet.

 

[aristotle]

The car analogy does not work here. If you buy a type of car, you are buying it from that company full stop. There are no "clone" cars available in North America with parts interchangeable with each other.

The closest this analogy comes to is someone making an empty shell and installing the engine and electronics package from a Honda in it and selling it as a Honda.

Now imagine some consumer buys this Honda clone and then tries to get drive train warranty support from Honda. How do you think Honda would react?

The Leopard OS in this case is analogous to the guts of the car.

 

[compuguy1088]

I don't really care to side with Apple because on this topic, I agree with most people's sentiments here (I think Apple should have more options with their machines), however, what decent progress has happened in the last 2 years with LCDs?

All it's been, is progress demanded by the idiots known as professional gamers: MOAR BRIGHTNESS! MOAR CONTRAST! FASTER RESPONSE! MUST HAVE MOAR MOAR MOAR!

To the point that staring at a 20" shiny TN+F with eleventy billion nits brightness and 8000:1 contrast is like having a set of purple 100W HID projector headlights aimed right into your eyeballs.

I'm sick of the way LCD tech is maturing, glossy and super-high contrast is not[/i] the way to go, I'd much rather buy a nice S-IPS with an LED backlight

Well you are right on the fact that TN is not a true 8-bit panel...but many of the other panel types (IPS, VA, etc) have higher refresh rates. Some also have input lag as well. Each display type has its advantages and disadvantages...some may like the IPS based display for photography, but a die hard gamer is going to most likely stick with a TN. The other problem is that there are not that many desktop displays with LED's in them. The ones that exist are very expensive, and do not use IPS.

I like to also add that it is insulting to gamers to say that all of us need faster displays. I wouldn't mind a better displaying 8-bit panel if they were easier to identify (most companies do not specify what technology they are; only real way to find out is to search the web).

 

[xbjllb]

Mmmmh, what a dilemma you have?

I've got no dilemma at all. I WILL buy from the company that meets MY needs the best. Within weeks. I vote with my wallet.

Right NOW, that ain't Apple. Like I said, I have NO need for any of their Trojan OS updates with dubious and highly troublesome bandwith/performance stealing "features" until X.X.5 or X.X.6 anyway.

Your mileage may vary. Obviously, you've gotten a lot more enjoyment out of your games than I have out of my pro apps. Good on ya!

 

[Sun Baked]

@ beezer: "Hacking an OS" is not illegal.

But what about turning around and selling cloned copies of your HD for $21 after you've hacked the OS?

Would it matter if you altered a copyrighted Apple file?

Or simply just added additional non-Apple drivers to the machine ... aka, hacked ATI or Nvidia files. And left all the Apple files alone.

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If you also offer to sell the person a full retail copy for $129 along with your cloned drive, does it change things.

 

[compuguy1088]

Call me blind. That cheese greater, curved handles and solid constructrion give me every damn day of the year.

Both cases look good. Though one of them is apple's own design. The open computer's one is a Antec Case (As previously mentioned).

 

[Consultant]

You can ONLY author and burn blu-ray VIDEO discs on the PC side. That's unforgiveable as well.

Unfortunately you are way off.

Author in HD: Final Cut Pro
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/finalcutpro/

Burn 1080p to Blu-Ray and HD disks
Roxio Toast

Or that the most expensive desktop in the world SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THOSE THINGS OUT OF THE BOX without RESORTING TO WINDOZE.

So now you are saying you want something to have all the features you want Out of the box, while saying you want to do it yourself. Which one is it?

Btw, Mac Pros are not the "most expensive desktop in the world". There are multiple PC companies with higher prices.

 

[QuarterSwede]

yeah and all the 3 years i had a windows pc sitting besides it because the 3d performance was ridiculous from day 1 being _outperformed_ by a pc 2-3 years older and actually cheaper

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apple has to bring up the hardware to better performance/value levels ... the software is fantastic but the hardware ...

My experience just doesn't shadow yours. It was my PC that couldn't keep up with technology not my PB, which runs all of the above just fine. We just don't agree on this point.

I'm claiming that Apple is NOT getting my $9000, and I'm the tip of the iceberg.

If they and you think they can survive without their high end power pro app users, that much sooner they will be following Amiga into the toilet.

I think you're overestimating the amount of Pro users. They are greatly outnumbered by the amount of normal consumers out there perfectly happy buying iMac's, MB's, etc.

 

[surferfromuk]

I've got no dilemma at all. I WILL buy from the company that meets MY needs the best. Within weeks. I vote with my wallet.

Right NOW, that ain't Apple. Like I said, I have NO need for any of their Trojan OS updates with dubious and highly troublesome bandwith/performance stealing "features" until X.X.5 or X.X.6 anyway.

Your mileage may vary. Obviously, you've gotten a lot more enjoyment out of your games than I have out of my pro apps. Good on ya!

Not a single game on my mac - my iMac runs my Pro apps flawlessly - it liberatesy creativity and never misses a beat..

Personally I think you should buy a PC - it has become blatantly clear to me that your a 'PC' kind of a guy and I really think you'd be happier being unhappy and angry with a PC than with any kind of mac. I don't think Apple needs all you angry types bitching and moaning incessantly about absolute childish nonsense.

 

[dolbinau]

I've got no dilemma at all. I WILL buy from the company that meets MY needs the best. Within weeks. I vote with my wallet.

Right NOW, that ain't Apple. Like I said, I have NO need for any of their Trojan OS updates with dubious and highly troublesome bandwith/performance stealing "features" until X.X.5 or X.X.6 anyway.

Then do so and stop complaining! You buy a product if it meets your needs and if it doesn't you don't. People buy Mac Pros because they need them, if you don't need it then don't buy it. Apple is a multi-billion dollar company who (by the look of their computer sales, increasing market share and share value) know what they are doing.

 

[diamond.g]

Unfortunately you are way off.

Author in HD: Final Cut Pro
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/finalcutpro/

Burn 1080p to Blu-Ray and HD disks
Roxio Toast

I am a retard, but I don't see BDMV or BDAV authoring anywhere on the FCP site?

 

[Consultant]

I've got no dilemma at all. I WILL buy from the company that meets MY needs the best. Within weeks. I vote with my wallet.

Right NOW, that ain't Apple. Like I said, I have NO need for any of their Trojan OS updates with dubious and highly troublesome bandwith/performance stealing "features" until X.X.5 or X.X.6 anyway.

Your mileage may vary. Obviously, you've gotten a lot more enjoyment out of your games than I have out of my pro apps. Good on ya!

"Trojan OS updates with dubious and highly troublesome bandwith/performance stealing "features""

Where did you get that? Why is an update Trojan? Why is it performance stealing? Do you know Windows often automatically updates your computer, closing unsaved documents without your permission? Do you know OSX actually asks for your permission if a restart is necessary (and guess what? By default, you get to CHOOSE to save your unsaved files on a mac, but not in windows)?

' until X.X.5 or X.X.6 anyway.'
OSX typically are extra stable after .3 release, not .5 or .6. And that's in much shorter time than MS and their 1 year it took for the first vista SP.

 

[compuguy1088]

Wow, lots of replies to get to...

Meanwhile, I'm using a SIX YEAR-OLD iMac for Garage Band.

Is that six year old iMac one of the Lamp-like ones? I personally like that iMac design over even the Ai iMac...

 

[xbjllb]

Unfortunately you are way off.

Unfortunately, YOU are way off. You CANNOT AUTHOR BLU-RAY VIDEO DISCS with DVD PRO. FCP does NOT AUTHOR DISCS.

You can edit ANYTHING in FCP; you just can't get it to BLU-RAY DISC.

And once you do (on the windoze side) you can't PLAY IT BACK on the Mac side.

Toast 9 MIGHT be able to BURN blu-ray VIDEO discs, but with no support for menus or any kind of necessary interface. That's called AUTHORING.

 

[jmadlena]

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[xbjllb]

Where did you get that? Why is an update Trojan? Why is it performance stealing? Do you know Windows often automatically updates your computer, closing unsaved documents without your permission? Do you know OSX actually asks for your permission if a restart is necessary (and guess what? you get to CHOOSE to save your unsaved files)?

' until X.X.5 or X.X.6 anyway.'
OSX typically are extra stable after .3 release, much shorter time than MS and their 1 year it took for the first vista SP.

I'm not going to argue with you. I'm the one who's spent five years in the Apple mac forums daily learning about all the problems before any of them messed up my computer. I'm STILL using Spotless so Spotlight doesn't eat up my drives and editing performance, and I have no need of eye candy interface "features" that only provide pages and pages of problems in those forums and precious few fixes.

I would prefer Apple release a stable OS every five friggin' years that actually IMPROVED performance instead of hinder it, rather than utilize one-third of their base as beta testers. And NO X.X.3 release was EVER stable.

Too much emphasis on beating Microsoft (who was no threat in the first place with laughable Vista) and not enough on PERFORMANCE.

Really, I am sorry to not wear the White Robe and vacant grin of the other Apple cultheads on here; I prefer reality.

OF COURSE windows sucks; that's why I'm so pissed at Apple for FORCING me to author Blu-Ray discs on XP.

 

[xbjllb]

I think you're overestimating the amount of Pro users. They are greatly outnumbered by the amount of normal consumers out there perfectly happy buying iMac's, MB's, etc.

Oh, they can certainly survive allright. As an overpriced iGadget maker. The Ronnco of the computer world, selling their stuff on weekend infomercials.

 

[diamond.g]

Oh, they can certainly survive allright. As an overpriced iGadget maker. The Ronnco of the computer world, selling their stuff on weekend infomercials.

We understand you are upset, but when you only spew insults towards Apple it makes it harder to sympathize with you. Much harder.

 

[Consultant]

I'm not going to argue with you. I'm the one who's spent five years in the Apple mac forums daily learning about all the problems before any of them messed up my computer. I'm STILL using Spotless so Spotlight doesn't eat up my drives and editing performance, and I have no need of eye candy interface "features" that only provide pages and pages of problems in those forums and precious few fixes.

I would prefer Apple release a stable OS every five friggin' years that actually IMPROVED performance instead of hinder it, rather than utilize one-third of their base as beta testers. And NO X.X.3 release was EVER stable.

Too much emphasis on beating Microsoft (who was no threat in the first place with laughable Vista) and not enough on PERFORMANCE.

Really, I am sorry to not wear the White Robe and vacant grin of the other Apple cultheads on here; I prefer reality.

OF COURSE windows sucks; that's why I'm so pissed at Apple for FORCING me to author Blu-Ray discs on XP.

Actually, Adobe Encore CS3 for Mac can author in Blu-Ray
http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/encore/

 

[compuguy1088]

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FLAMING!!!

(This thread is really getting long.....)

 

[soLoredd]

So, do I understand this correctly...

You pay Psystar $399 for a non-OS computer. In other words, a $399 non-functioning computer. You then go and buy Leopard for $129 and are able to now get your Psystar functional. HOWEVER, it's not 100% functional, as some updates require you to completely reinstall OS X, as opposed to using Software Update the way Apple intended.

(Note: I'm leaving out the free Ubuntu option because, after all, the only reason these people are getting the press is because of OS X.)

I don't know, to me that seems pretty shady. Either that or I am just angry because I could have had a $399 + $129 computer instead of paying $1499.

 

[QuarterSwede]

Oh, they can certainly survive allright. As an overpriced iGadget maker. The Ronnco of the computer world, selling their stuff on weekend infomercials.

My point was made.

Also, try and calm down. Not everyone has the same needs you do.

 

[macUser2007]

So, Apple has this thing called Boot Camp, which allows you to run Windows on your Mac, with just a few Apple-"hacked" drivers. Everyone is happy and Apple sells more boxes.

But a third party sells a computer, which can run Windows, as well a Linux and Mac OS, if you purchase the appropriate OS, and the Mac faithful scream bloody murder.

Apple sells Mac OS X for $129. This is hardly a nominal amount, so they do make money from it (I really doubt that Microsoft makes much more per OS from sales to OEMs for bundling.)

Nothing wrong with a little competition. Apple doesn't really have a decent, up-to-date reasonably priced box. This one may not be for everyone, but many might be happy with it. Apple will fight it and I hope they'll lose. Then we'll have a choice. And choice is good.