Exactly. Some people don't understand this very basic concept (they need to get a job, get an education, read up on intellectual property rights).
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Exactly. Some people don't understand this very basic concept (they need to get a job, get an education, read up on intellectual property rights).
You can buy a high end pc from Dell or HP for around 700-900 that that a user can upgrade. Why is that so hard for Apple to do?
In the desktop line every pc mfg sells mostly a desktop tower that has desktop hardware, there is a reason for this (its what people want) The only computer company that does not sell one is Apple...
vista premium system builder costs 79 euro thank you very much
back to using my mac mini which after 3 years is a dead end in need of replacement because of it's short lifetime
They are doing the best they can at:
1. Making money above all
2. Desperately holding onto market share so people will continue to pay premiums for products that are no longer cutting edge and certainly, given the price, barely competitive in the marketplace without their hardware/software combo monopoly.
3. Moving away from large desktop computers while trying to make sure no one notices as Steve Job's Future World iBrain chip will make all desktops obsolete.
4. Meeting their bargain basement large base customers' short term needs for more and more iCrap.
That's what Apple is doing the best they can at. They are NOT doing the best they can at meeting CURRENT customer's LONG TERM needs and LISTENING to the complaints of their high ticket customers.
Have you heard the noise that comes out of those machines? All Macs are quiet (silent in comparison with those desktop towers) and some people are willing to pay premium for the features you don't desire / can't afford.
3 years in the tech world is a long time. Even so, my 3 year old 12" PB still runs OS X beautifully even after my upgrade to Leopard. I'd say it's had a great run.
They buy a Mac Mini, and then its well worth it.
And 1799 for a Mac Pro is a good deal, and something for the person to consider.
The three year old Dell tower I have has one large 120mm fan that spins at a very low speed. It's not totally silent but pretty close... It's silent enough for me..
Plus I can open it up & add or replace the hard drive, ram, video card, cd & dvd burner, processor & power supply. I don't need a paint scraper to open it up & when I come time to replace the dell tower & can re-use my view sonic lcd that still works great...
Pre-installing OS X is a build-to-order option, for an extra $155. (The implication, from analyses I've read elsewhere, is that they'd buy a retail off-the-shelf copy of Leopard for each unit sold with this option, and that they'd purchase a Family Pack retail box if 2 to 5 units are all being shipped and deployed within the same household.)
You can also choose to have them pre-install the OEM edition of Windows Vista Premium 64-bit, Vista Premium 32-bit, or XP Pro 32-bit, each for an extra $150.
Or you can choose to buy it with no preloaded operating system, or with Ubuntu Linux, for no extra charge.
The total cost for a baseline unit without any operating system is $399.
Ethical?
Hmmmmmmmmmm. Quite interesting. @clevin: "only end users can break a eula" - yeah, but would it be eithical if they did? I think Apple's going to be all over this one, I mean seeing as they make the OS, don't you think they'll be angry?
Hmmmmmmmmmm. Quite interesting. @clevin: "only end users can break a eula" - yeah, but would it be eithical if they did? I think Apple's going to be all over this one, I mean seeing as they make the OS, don't you think they'll be angry?
Forget about the EULA for a moment and think about how they're installing OS X on their. What they're doing is hacking the OS, which in turn is illegal. That would be a strong suite.
Second of all, everyone is complaining about the amazing hardware that you get when you buy an APPLE. What the hell are you guys talking about, did you recieve different machines than me?
8800 available now, after the 9 Series cards are out. How ridiculous.
The stupid MacBook graphics is still limited to 32MB in OS X but gets more in WINDOWS environment. Why don't they fix that?
How about our cheap-o matSHITa drives? They're horrible!
How about freezing when coming out sleep mode, or just a black screen doing nothing.
Come on, get real. APPLE hardware is from the cheapest of cheap, and the crapest of the crap...all with just pretty decorations to fool us.
If I can buy one of these towers and upgrade my graphics card when OS X finally decides to support it, then hell yeah.
If they really wanna become popular/famous and actually start getting some business. They should start sending out DEMO's to reviewers so we can all know the truth and believe the compatibility.
Second of all, everyone is complaining about the amazing hardware that you get when you buy an APPLE. What the hell are you guys talking about, did you recieve different machines than me?
8800 available now, after the 9 Series cards are out. How ridiculous.
The stupid MacBook graphics is still limited to 32MB in OS X but gets more in WINDOWS environment. Why don't they fix that?
How about our cheap-o matSHITa drives? They're horrible!
How about freezing when coming out sleep mode, or just a black screen doing nothing.
Come on, get real. APPLE hardware is from the cheapest of cheap, and the crapest of the crap...all with just pretty decorations to fool us.
If I can buy one of these towers and upgrade my graphics card when OS X finally decides to support it, then hell yeah.
If they really wanna become popular/famous and actually start getting some business. They should start sending out DEMO's to reviewers so we can all know the truth and believe the compatibility.
Your two cents are two cents short of two pennies.
If I follow this workflow:
Purchase OpenMac with no OS
Purchase copy of Leopard at an Apple Store
Install Leopard on OpenMac
I have committed no piracy and no copyright violation at all. The only thing I have done is broken a EULA, which Apple will never, ever sue me for.
Has anyone considered the fact that we (as a class of prosumer users) should care about Apple precisely as much as Apple cares about us?
I would love to be able to purchase an xMac instead of building a Hackintosh. Apple does not give me that option. Why on Earth should I care about the EULA of a company which doesn't respect me as a customer?
@ beezer: "Hacking an OS" is not illegal.
I just don't see things this way- I really don't. I can see your kind of angry about something but I'm not sure what or why?
This thread is reminiscent of the $20 iPod touch upgrade fee furore.
Seems like Apple's iPod has reached an entirely new demographic of potential customers who don't actually want to buy from Apple but want 'what Apple is selling' - sorry but in life quality costs money cos it takes time. I don't quite know what techno-utopia you are waiting for but I can assure you it ain't combing from a couple of garage bandits in Miami.
None at apple at that price, the cheapest one is 1999 + I don't want a refurb anything...
Refurb, etc.
For refurb Macs and other Apple products, go to store.apple.com
Look for Refurbished Mac under "Special Deals"
Refurb Apple products look exactly the same as brand new products, and comes with same warranty as brand new products (unlike many manufacturers that offer minimal warranty for their refurbs). The only difference is it typically comes in a brown box.
Refurb Macs come and go. The $1799 Mac Pros sell out quickly (removed from refurb section when sold out), but currently there are Mac Pros starting at $1999.
For refurb Macs and other Apple products, go to store.apple.com
Look for Refurbished Mac under "Special Deals"
Refurb Apple products look exactly the same as brand new products, and comes with same warranty as brand new products (unlike many manufacturers that offer minimal warranty for their refurbs). The only difference is it typically comes in a brown box.
Refurb Macs come and go. The $1799 Mac Pros sell out quickly (removed from refurb section when sold out), but currently there are Mac Pros starting at $1999.
yeah and all the 3 years i had a windows pc sitting besides it because the 3d performance was ridiculous from day 1 being _outperformed_ by a pc 2-3 years older and actually cheaper
and which to this day still is running on the first installation of windows XP with no slow downs
on the other side my mac seems to become slower with every update .. and safari is still having problems with stability and is having problems with watching youtube stutter free (which wasn't a problem before)
and of course apple saving 2 bucks on putting in a chip with reduced pixel clock made the DVI connection quite useless.. while my older PC from 2002 with thrown together parts works fine because they are actually quality parts
this mini felt old like a year ago when browsing in the internet ..... and of course the lack of ports/upgradability really showed itself over the months/years
and java performance ... better not start there
apple has to bring up the hardware to better performance/value levels ... the software is fantastic but the hardware ...
Things that cost significantly more and claim to be cutting edge SHOULD BE WHAT THEY CLAIM TO BE. In the video editing world, like it or not, that's Blu-ray. I know, NOT in Mr. Steve Job's Future World where everyone downloads pirated movies off the net directly into their iBrain implanted chip.
I'm angry because I've sat on $9000 to spend for the past six MONTHS and I have to work on my desklamp 12" iMac because Apple and Mr. Steve Jobs are no longer interested in providing video and music editors with a high end cutting edge workstation with pro app high end video card support with DRIVERS and Blue Ray support and drive/burner.
But now, I have options. And if things don't change at Apple and within weeks, I will be exercising those options. A similar, no make that SUPERIOR custom tower through PsyStar will run me LESS THAN A THIRD to what an INFERIOR product will cost me from Apple.
Now that's what I call techno-utopia.
And upgrading ain't what it's cracked up to be EITHER. NO Mac OS since Jaguar has been worth a damn until X.X.5 or X.X.6 at LEAST. And then they screw up everything beyond that to make people fed up and begging for the next OS which is THEN rushed out long before IT is done, to wreak havoc until that version reaches X.X.5, the FIRST that should have been released to the public.
I'm mad about a lot of things. Least of all is the lack of respect Apple appears to have for its customers. Future World is a great place to visit, but a company that LIVES there will soon be out of business.
Refurbs in most cases are actually better than buying new. Each refurb is rigorously tested before being sold. New computers are sent out of the factory and are just assumed to work right out of the box. I, personally, have heard more people complain about the new computer they bought at an Apple Store than people who have purchased refurbs. The mini in my signature is a refurb. And refurbs still come with a one year warranty.
Blu-Ray on a Mac
Get MacPro or an external Firewire enclosure for use with any mac.
Buy Blu-Ray burner, and RoxioToast.
Install.
Done.
So you are saying you want a computer with user replaceable parts but can't figure out / don't realize how to install a Blu-Ray burner?
If you say you have money to spend on a professional system, but is only *professional* enough to use a 12" iMac G4, then you actually don't have the money. You should get an intel iMac instead, or perhaps invest in some training in your desired field.
Get MacPro or an external Firewire enclosure for use with any mac.
Buy Blu-Ray burner, and RoxioToast.
Install.
Done.
So you are saying you want a computer with user replaceable parts but can't figure out / don't realize how to install a Blu-Ray burner?
If you say you have money to spend on a professional system, but is only *professional* enough to use a 12" iMac G4, then you actually don't have the money. You should get an intel iMac instead, or perhaps invest in some training in your desired field.
A company that lives there will outpace its competitors by leaps and bounds. If it means skipping a technology, then it is skipped, the competitors follow suit, and the general level of technology advances faster than if no one had stuck out their neck.
No one had touchscreen phones until the iPhone. No one saw the need. Now that there is an elegant, working, mainstream solution, touchscreens are permeating society.
Holographic storage disks may even be cancelled if protein-coated disks are released soon enough. You're claiming that having more storage sooner and cheaper will put a company out of business. How can you say that?
Making money? Sure. I bet Psystar has the same goal. Above all? Doesn't explain how they dropped the iPod mini, their best-selling iPod model by far at the time and replaced it with the iPod nano. A company whose only goal is to make money would milk a best-seller dry rather than replace it during its prime. And if Apple truly was about making money above all and they knew they could make a lot selling mid-towers, why aren't they?
Desperately holding onto market share? Apple's market share has been increasing lately, even without this "mid-tower" in their line up.
The iBrain chip remarks are getting old and getting us nowhere. Please stop. They just seem childish.
You call it iCrap. Others call it some of the best mobile devices out there. So, we'll chalk this one up as pure opinion.
And by current customers, you mean yourself, right?
High-ticket customers buy Mac Pros and Xserves. Low-ticket customers buy cheap (as in price) mid-towers.
