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With each passing minute looks like it's just some pipe dream for those who want a superior product (Mac OS X) but wants to pay knockoff prices for a "genuine Rolexx" (yes I know it's spelled Rolex)
http://netkas.org/?p=62


That's odd. Mine is spelled Rollex. Must be twice as good.

Now everyone supporting Psystar line up to give your credit card numbers to a never-existed-until-last-week/won't-exist-next-week company in Florida (Florida, scam capital of the U.S., should have ended this nearly 800 posts ago).
 
So is Psystar preinstalling a copy of the Adobe Creative Suite on these systems? And that would be covered by the $399 price, won't it?

If these guys are going to circumvent software licenses with Apple, why stop there? They should provide a copy of the Creative Suite and Microsoft Office for Mac too! I mean if Apple doesn't have any rights to their software, why should Adobe or Microsoft (or any other software maker for that matter) be able to stop third party hardware venders from installing illegal copies of their software preinstalled?

I don't see the difference between selling Mac OS X using a counterfeit hardware key and selling the Adobe Creative Suite or Microsoft Office on these same systems using a single license string for all of them. It isn't Psystar's problem if the end user is using illegally acquired software... right? So they shouldn't stop at just Mac OS X, they should load up these systems with tons of software titles!

This is the argument that a lot of you guys seem to be making. That Apple doesn't have the right to sell software in the way they see fit. And that anyone can hack their software and sell counterfeit versions without any legal consequences.

So in light of Psystar's arguments, if you only get a system running Mac OS X and none of those other software titles, then they are totally ripping you guys off! Because everything else should be included too! :eek:
 
My conclusion is that it will take a court to decide if there is a breech of the EUAL. How is that flawed?

No, I am not a lawyer. If you are a lawyer I would love to hear your opinion as to how Apple will get it’s EULA enforced on PsyStar.

They will send a couple of burly guys with baseball bats, Joking.
 
I will make an order just to see if that'a fake or not... ok? We never going to know until one of us try it and order... so, I'm the first one.. here we go. :cool:
 
So is Psystar preinstalling a copy of the Adobe Creative Suite on these systems? And that would be covered by the $399 price, won't it?
Woah! Who was ever claiming that? The $399 price tag puportedly includes absolutely no operating system or other software whatsoever (except that they would install Ubuntu Linux free of charge on request).

If you wanted any of the commercial software pre-installed, you'd pay extra.

A base-line unit plus OS X (no other software), if the story is true, would weigh in at $554.

If these guys are going to circumvent software licenses with Apple, why stop there? They should provide a copy of the Creative Suite and Microsoft Office for Mac too!
Personally, I wouldn't have any moral objection to that at all, as long as they did the same thing they are puportedly doing with Leopard, namely, purchasing copies of those pieces of software through legitamite channels for each installed unit.

I mean if Apple doesn't have any rights to their software, why should Adobe or Microsoft (or any other software maker for that matter) be able to stop third party hardware venders from installing illegal copies of their software preinstalled?
It would be totally possible and there would be absolutely no negative reprecussions for any computer maker to purchase a copy of Creative Suite or MS Office on your behalf, and pre-install them for you before they deliver the machine. If they were not purchasing extra copies of the software for each customer, then I think nobody would disagree that it would be theft, plain and simple.

Where things are getting hazy in this case is simply the fact that the EULA of Mac OS X prohibits this particular use of the software, and there is disagreement about just how restrictive the terms of a software EULA are actually allowed to be and still be upheld in court - an issue for which there is a lack of coherent precedence in the USA to draw on.

I don't see the difference between selling Mac OS X using a counterfeit hardware key and selling the Adobe Creative Suite or Microsoft Office on these same systems using a single license string for all of them. It isn't Psystar's problem if the end user is using illegally acquired software... right? So they shouldn't stop at just Mac OS X, they should load up these systems with tons of software titles!


This is the argument that a lot of you guys seem to be making. That Apple doesn't have the right to sell software in the way they see fit. And that anyone can hack their software and sell counterfeit versions without any legal consequences.
In that case, all they need to do is stop offering OS X as a build-to-order option. The hardware alone, from everything I can tell, is just made out of generic off-the-shelf parts. To banish that, it'd follow that all purveyors of generic off-the-shelf components would have to be banished on the same grounds.

When it gets home, I'll assume the risk of purchasing a retail box of OS X and installing it. And since a retail box of OS X actually costs $129 (slightly less than the $155 premium they were supposedly charging), I'll actually save even more money!

Consultant said:
With each passing minute looks like it's just some pipe dream for those who want a superior product (Mac OS X) but wants to pay knockoff prices for a "genuine Rolexx" (yes I know it's spelled Rolex)

- lack of legal rights to include EFI emulator

EFI emulator cannot be used for commercial purposes.
http://netkas.org/?p=62
Interesting. For posterity's sake, it would have been very educational to have seen the licensing text that accompanied the EFI emulator before the web page was updated yesterday. (Obviously, if Psystar's claims were true, then Psystar would have had to have obtained its copy of this software quite some time ago for testing purposes, before that text had been added to the website.)

Anybody who had obtained the EFI emulator before that revised license text was published, would have been be bound by whatever license had accompanied the program at the time they obtained it, not by the revised text that was put up there yesterday.
 
See AppleInsider investigation into the company.
Seems nobody ever heard of them and they just have a guy answering the phone.

I wonder if they will deliver any computers or run with the money.

Not only is there a guy who answers the phone, he's also the ceo, and their client base! =p


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goosnarrggh,
United States copyright laws protects intellectual rights, so unless the FULL rights (right to resell) are explicitly given away or done under work for hire, the author retains IP rights.
 
I hope this thread never ends. Reading about how over-priced Apple is, Apple being a monopoly, how this will make Apple introduce an xMac, how we all deserve this option, how this is good for us all, blah blah blah never gets old.
 
Entertain this. It's all about EFI

For those who remember, Internet Explorer was held by Microsoft as being a part of Windows 98, and according to MS , Windows would not function correctly without it. That was shot down in court as it the practice created a monopoly for the IE browser and MS. By the same analogy, Apple holds that the Macintosh OS software is not licensed to be used without Apple hardware. From that EULA, it seems to me they are well aware that the OS can run without their hardware, they just forbid it. That too is a monopoly when no other willing computer maker is allowed to compete, e.g. Dell or Psystar. The legality of the EFI emulation code is really what's at question here. In other words, does the product being sold by Psystar contain a violation of copyright found in the EFI and modified kexts? As most if not all of the changed system kexts were written and compiled from open source, it all comes down to EFI.
 
entertain this

what part of FAKE
don't some people understand?

As of now, there is
- no product
- no order taking ("credit card processing is down")
- no address (3 separate mailing address have been listed, 2 in residential neighborhoods)
- no company history
- no tax record
 
Entertain this, again. Do some real fact checking.

Nah, wasn't fake. Do some real research and dig up some facts. Had you been checking their site for the last few days, you'd have seen they just couldn't face the heat. Psystar changed their product names and wording more than a few times before "pulling the plug." Now if Dell was to push this issue, we'd at least have a contender for a nice match.

entertain this

what part of FAKE
don't some people understand?

There is
- no product
- no order taking ("credit card processing is down")
- no address (3 separate mailing address have been listed, 2 in residential neighborhoods)
- no company history
- no tax record
 
I am, and a shoot from the hip opinion is a waste of everyone's time. It might be a fun exercise for some law students, but otherwise of little worth.


mccldwll,

Thanks! You are entitled to your opinion but from the number of posts here there seems to be a lot of interest in this issue. Let the readers decide if it is of little worth.

I stand by my postings. If I have misstated the issues Apple faces then by all means correct me with something more than "shoot from the hip opinion is a waste of everyone's time" response.
 
Beg, borrow, or steal a !@#$#@$ clue people!

Suspicions soar about Mac clone maker PsyStar

Also the dumbest software pirates in the universe, not may pirates make this kind of press introduction.

Unless they want to spend the same amount of time in jail as the last two Florida piracy fools (DOJ said the Thomas brothers got 66 months combined in their recent 3/28/08 press release).

Get a wild hair up their ass, if we sell them the cracked OS -- and also sell them in a real OS license with a 2nd OS copy -- they cannot do anything to us.

Sort of like the drunk pissing on the officers legs thinking this will get him out of the DUI.
 
Exactly!

Some dreamers are just in denial. (those who think they can buy a Rolexx or Rollex =p for a fraction of the price of Rolex and think it'll be fairly comparable)

I disagree, I think some here (me included) expect a Apple pc's to be competitively priced with any of the mfg like Dell or HP... I say that when most of the internal parts are of the same spec...

Besides you would expect to pay the price that it would cost to buy a Rolex if most of the guts in the Rolex were the same as whats in a Timex...

Also just wondering, since you used Rolex to make a point do you think Apple is the Rolex of computers? If you do then wouldn't Apple have to use superior parts in its pc's to be compared to Rolex?
 
Leopard was not pirated. Their Open computer included Leopard retail version and disk of OS X installed for $155.

Also the dumbest software pirates in the universe, not may pirates make this kind of press introduction.

Unless they want to spend the same amount of time in jail as the last two Florida piracy fools (DOJ said the Thomas brothers got 66 months combined in their recent 3/28/08 press release).

Get a wild hair up their ass, if we sell them the cracked OS -- and also sell them in a real OS license with a 2nd OS copy -- they cannot do anything to us.

Sort of like the drunk pissing on the officers legs thinking this will get him out of the DUI.
 
I disagree, I think some here (me included) expect a Apple pc's to be competitively priced with any of the mfg like Dell or HP... I say that when most of the internal parts are of the same spec...

Besides you would expect to pay the price that it would cost to buy a Rolex if most of the guts in the Rolex were the same as whats in a Timex...

Also just wondering, since you used Rolex to make a point do you think Apple is the Rolex of computers? If you do then wouldn't Apple have to use superior parts in its pc's to be compared to Rolex?


Think about it, for an Picasso, Monet or some other artist you like.

What is the value of their artwork? What is it made of? Many artist's work are made of only Oil and Canvas, thus you THINK if anyone made something with oil and canvas, then it should cost the same? (Oh isn't it the same material? design doesn't really matter, does it?)

The reality is that there are things you want, but there are things you cannot afford. Get used to it.
 
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