Pulse Ox Company Masimo Accuses Apple of Delaying Legal Battle to Sell More Apple Watches

[jav6454]

Depends on elevation. I live in Boulder, CO.

It's a gimmick that gives you a general idea. It's not meant to be a medical grade device. So in this sense, Masimo is in the wrong as Apple does not make medical grade devices. This is how I view it.

 

[Apple_Robert]

It looks like this case may have some merit for Masimo.

 

[Hammerd]

If Masimo don’t like it they should build their own watch.

Inb4 the usual suspects.

Don't you understand what the article says? Apple reportedly stole their intellectual property and key employees so they could make their own solution without having to share the revenues

 

[Anson_431]

Wait, when did the Apple Watch became a medical product in my eyes? 😂 😂 😂

Ok, in all seriousness, I never viewed the Apple Watch as an 100% reliable "medical product" even back when I first got a Series 2. All it was, was a smart watch to me, with cool features that helps me monitor my health but not 100% accurate due to its design limitations.

It's a very useful gadget to help monitor health for sure. But a medical device or even clinical grade? Nah, this is a device just for reference. PERIOD =___=!

 

[Darth Tulhu]

So this is what Apple is nowadays: a company that dries up smaller promising companies and that steal their IP, while wanting to be seen as a distuptive pro-environment pro-lgbt company that want to make the world a better place. This is just clowning of course, they just want everyone's money. They are even ready to kill companies that work with their platform (Tiles, fitness apps, music and movies/series streaming apps, banks... next what). That's pathetic that they act so agressively, they even sue companies that have a fruit shaped logo... and want to look like the good guys

I don't have all the facts regarding each of your claims of malfeasance, so I'll leave that to the (better-educated-in-the-law-than-me) judges to decide.

But is it possible that the alternative is also true? That Apple is actually trying to make the world better while making money?

The two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I guess I'm just not ready to be that cynical with Apple yet, given the fact that I judge people (and companies) based on what they (actually) do, not on what they say (they're going to do). 😉

This is no doubt worthy of looking into by the appropriate authorities.

 

[mariusignorello]

Honestly, I don't care about the Trade Secrets up for debate here. From my perspective, Apple brought potentially life saving tech to the masses at an affordable price. Can we please stop worrying about profits with life saving products?

If the apple watch saves someone life because of this, its well worth it IMO.

Companies exist to turn a profit no matter what they sell. Business is not about your feelings.

 

[ConnorMcJeebus]

Go ahead and call BS on these people.

My Apple Watch saved my life: 5 people share their stories

For these people, the Apple Watch changed their lives.

www.cnet.com

You're taking it out of context. All of those stories are about pre-AW6 experiences. Masimo's gripe is with the AW6, specifically the pulse oximetry tech in it. Unless Apple can show that their readings are clinically reliable, then I would agree it's a BS gimmick.

It's can't be that hard to understand that it might get people to go see a doctor before it's critical. That's how lives are saved. Blows one's mind, right?

If that's the extent of its reliability, might as well just have a reminder pop up every few days reminding people to go for a check up. By not limiting the scope to blood-oxygen problems, they'd save a lot more lives. 😉

 

[Hammerd]

Well everything you’ve described above are PERFECTLY LEGAL. I see no basis for litigations there.

You must be an employee to talk like that. But yes let's goliath kill everyone. We're only years ahead from Apple selling iFood after suffocating vegetables producers.

 

[Digital Dude]

As a tech company they do license a ton of patents from various companies (look at your legal info on apple devices). Wonder if the technologies in question fall under someone else’s license or similar?

If Masimo is worried about Apple trying to sell these as Medical grade products, I think their logic is flawed. I don’t think Masimo, Medtronic, or similar companies have anything to worry about. I don’t see us getting an iPaddle™ defib attachment to our watch anytime soon.

Well, it's still early in the day.

 

[kiranmk2]

Not sure Masimo are going to sell many clincal grade pulse oximeters to consumers. A quick look on Amazon UK shows only 1 Masimo product costing £280 (~$360). Can't see many people choosing that over an Apple Watch. Also, I would suggest that Massimo should look at implementing non-poaching clauses in their NDAs.

 

[Hammerd]

I don't have all the facts regarding each of your claims of malfeasance, so I'll leave that to the (better-educated-in-the-law-than-me) judges to decide.

But is it possible that the alternative is also true? That Apple is actually trying to make the world better while making money?

The two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I guess I'm just not ready to be that cynical with Apple yet, given the fact that I judge people (and companies) based on what they (actually) do, not on what they say (they're going to do). 😉

This is no doubt worthy of looking into by the appropriate authorities.

Apple Takes Legal Action Against Small Company With Pear Logo

Apple is taking legal action against the developers of the app "Prepear" due to its logo, according to iPhone in Canada. Prepear is an app that helps users discover recipes, plan meals, make lists, and arrange grocery deliveries. The app is a spinoff of "Super Healthy Kids," and the founders...

www.macrumors.com

 

[Apple_Robert]

Received my Series 6 yesterday and I'm running Beta of OS 14 on my iPhone and Apple support said that the Blood O2 won't work on the beta currently and only works on 14.0.1....

Has anyone else had this issue?

Wrong thread but, Apple is correct. It won’t work on beta.

 

[Darth Tulhu]

From Apple's Watch website:

"Blood Oxygen app measurements are not intended for medical use, including self-diagnosis or consultation with a doctor, and are only designed for general fitness and wellness purposes."

 

[Peperino]

Honestly, I don't care about the Trade Secrets up for debate here. From my perspective, Apple brought potentially life saving tech to the masses at an affordable price. Can we please stop worrying about profits with life saving products?

If the apple watch saves someone life because of this, its well worth it IMO.

Regardless what the product does, How is it OK for Apple to steal other companies' technology? iF they are interested they can license it or buy them. But stealing is not ok.

 

[Darth Tulhu]

Apple Takes Legal Action Against Small Company With Pear Logo

Apple is taking legal action against the developers of the app "Prepear" due to its logo, according to iPhone in Canada. Prepear is an app that helps users discover recipes, plan meals, make lists, and arrange grocery deliveries. The app is a spinoff of "Super Healthy Kids," and the founders...

www.macrumors.com

I see no issue with Apple's arguments regarding that case.

Given the subjective nature of "artwork", I'd be ok with whatever the decision the judge takes on that one, whether it be pro or against Apple.

 

[Rogifan]

From Apple's Watch website:

"Blood Oxygen app measurements are not intended for medical use, including self-diagnosis or consultation with a doctor, and are only designed for general fitness and wellness purposes."

I see the word wellness thrown around all the time. What the heck does it even mean? Especially in the context of this blood oxygen sensor.

 

[jamieinoc]

Received my Series 6 yesterday and I'm running Beta of OS 14 on my iPhone and Apple support said that the Blood O2 won't work on the beta currently and only works on 14.0.1....

Has anyone else had this issue?

Correct. You have to downgrade to 14.0.1.

 

[citysnaps]

Sucks to be Masimo.

 

[jamieinoc]

I see the word wellness thrown around all the time. What the heck does it even mean? Especially in the context of this blood oxygen sensor.

It means they didn’t feel like going through the FDA approvals to to be able to say it’s for medical purposes.

 

[Hammerd]

I see the word wellness thrown around all the time. What the heck does it even mean? Especially in the context of this blood oxygen sensor.

They have to say that for legal reasons since the sensor does not meet medical standards. But they let people think it's a medical device (or do they openly say it when purchasing, apart from the fine prints)

 

[PlayUltimate]

It's a gimmick that gives you a general idea. It's not meant to be a medical grade device. So in this sense, Masimo is in the wrong as Apple does not make medical grade devices. This is how I view it.

My grandmother, mom and dad all died from lung issues (lung cancer, pulmonary fibrosis, pulmonary hypertension/COPD) We do have a medical grade Pulse-Ox.

 

[Rogifan]

It means they didn’t feel like going through the FDA approvals to to be able to say it’s for medical purposes.

So basically a meaningless word. It sure feels like tech companies are just throwing sensors into devices because they feel they have to update these devices every year and need something new to sell the device. Either the data coming from these sensors is meaningful or it’s not. And if it’s not what’s the point of it?

 

[routine_analyst]

I've seen this company "Masimo" randomly come up in advertisements with their crappy tech positioned as something futuristic out of nowhere lately. You can definitely tell they are afraid of being squished.

Speaking of squished, WTF happened to their logo? They intentionally used the horizontal resize tool to "squish" it.

 

[Meatwad]

Here's what's interesting. If you wanna buy Massimo's MightSat from them directly they make it clear that it's not a medical device. But you can buy the same thing that *is* a medical device with a prescription. I'm sure it costs more.

It's all BS, basically.

 

[Apple_Robert]

I see the word wellness thrown around all the time. What the heck does it even mean? Especially in the context of this blood oxygen sensor.

That just means you can track the stats it provides but, you should not make any medical decisions based on any reading from the device. As with all data, one should consult his or her physician for confirmation of any reading from a wellness device.