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Push applications delayed, some info

Until now, we have noticed only minor glitches in Feedback service running on APNS servers. These servers deliver Push messages to user's iPhone or iPod touch.

Feedback service alone is periodically checking whether target iPhone application(s) are still reachable. If the Feedback service finds out that the target Push application (special unique token used) is already uninstalled or the Push messages are not possible to deliver repeatedly for whichever reason, it automatically lists the token of that unique user as "invalid". Developer's servers have to disable that user's account temporarily to prevent unwanted resource hogging and wasted traffic on both sides. The token is marked as "valid" back again if the same user is interacting with affected Push application some time later (or new clean token is generated).

The main purpose is clear. 1) No trash 2) saved resources 3) saved processing power 4) saved traffic -- in case users are not reachable. Could be as many as hundreds of thousands.

This Feedback service is currently not responding to our servers in about 4% of cases according to our own logs. Everything else's running fine.

2009-06-20 17:32:08 - Feedback check...
2009-06-20 18:32:10 - Feedback check...
2009-06-20 19:32:15 - Feedback check...
2009-06-20 20:32:16 - Authentication failed because the remote party has closed the transport stream.
2009-06-20 20:32:16 - Feedback check...
2009-06-20 21:32:18 - Feedback check...
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Eso said:
That graphic just highlights how completely ridiculous the push system is for to do apps.

It's like mailing a letter to yourself on wednesday that have all your weekend errands to complete. :confused:
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I agree.

Hopefully Apple will allow, maybe in 4.0, developers to add to the internal scheduling process. Then this Notify Me app could schedule an alarm just like Calendar does. That would eliminate the need to worry about any servers or connections.

Also, an iPod touch doesn't get push notifications if it's in sleep mode (in other words anytime you're not using it). Therefore Notify me won't notify me until I unlock the iPod touch, unlike the calendar which will sound regardless of device state (except O F F).
 
Whining? I'm sorry that it's alright with you that features advertised for TWO releases now are still not working, but for some of us that could actually use them, it is a big deal. I bought the 3GS using my upgrade, but I could've easily gotten a Blackberry that I know will send me notifications when I need them. Apple touted this feature in the 2.0 and 3.0 launch, only to delay them both times. It looks like we sort of have it, but not in any useful manner.

Just because it is Apple doesn't mean that it's acceptable to screw up. If this was Microsoft or someone else, this whole forum would be up in arms laughing at how they can't do anything right. If it's Apple, some fanboys will sit back and attack those complaining about Apple's screwups.
 
Hopefully Apple will allow, maybe in 4.0, developers to add to the internal scheduling process. Then this Notify Me app could schedule an alarm just like Calendar does. That would eliminate the need to worry about any servers or connections.
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Many other developers have been suggesting other possible options for a long time. NotifyMe is build the way it can be modified very quickly to any other available system Apple provides later (e.g. background applications, internal "alarm" system...). If any of these features are available later, we'll upgrade and provide the user a choice.
 
This is bigtime BS. Don't advertise a feature if you can't deliver. We were supposed to have push 9 months ago, and they somehow still can't get it working, with that much lead time?
 
iPhone my first Apple product.... and I know why :p

don't get my wrong, I still love my iPhone, but Apple seems to be behind the times here.
 
heavensblade23 said:
This is bigtime BS. Don't advertise a feature if you can't deliver. We were supposed to have push 9 months ago, and they somehow still can't get it working, with that much lead time?
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I don't think that Push is what is causing the delay, rather than the approval process. There has been a few (though limited number) of applications which have push notification available.
 
iLeoMarc said:
I don't think that Push is what is causing the delay, rather than the approval process. There has been a few (though limited number) of applications which have push notification available.
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Yes, many of those apps have languished in the approval process since the 3.0 beta went GM. That, combined with DominikB's info about the feedback service, makes a compelling argument that there are issues. Nothing conclusive, but certainly interesting...
 
I'm very pissed off to be quite honest..Apple cocked up MobileMe when it came out last year, and now its cocking push up - again!

It seems to me that the only applications which currently support push are very minor ones - things that push very rarely and no where near to the level something like Beejive would.

I have no doubt that there is a problem on Apple's end - something which to be quite frank should have been sorted out on their behalf over the last year they've had..

As far as the new 3Gs goes - you're effectively buying the same phone with a few extra features and a compass (oh let's not forget that amazzzzing compass which solves all of life's problems) for £200 plus an 18 month contract.

To anyone who can defend Apple in this situation - please just go and take a look at the facts. When the iPhone was released it was the leading phone of its kind - both aesthetically and technologically. There are several phones out there now that do double what the iPhone does (albeit they don't have that fantastic compass) and are half the price.

Why don't I get one of these phones? Well I'm locked down to an 18 month contract with a phone I was told would support push notifications..does it? No..
 
masterell said:
I'm very pissed off to be quite honest..Apple cocked up MobileMe when it came out last year, and now its cocking push up - again!
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Why don't I get one of these phones? Well I'm locked down to an 18 month contract with a phone I was told would support push notifications..does it? No..
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But you can always cancel the contract, pay ETF, sell iPhone on eBay to cover that, then go to another provider, buy one of those miracle phones and lock yourself there for another 18 months :)

Yes, it is frustrating that PUSH is still not working, or activation, or MobileMe. I guess we should not expect great things from Apple, then we wont be disappointed :)
 
Slava said:
But you can always cancel the contract, pay ETF, sell iPhone on eBay to cover that, then go to another provider, buy one of those miracle phones and lock yourself there for another 18 months :)

Yes, it is frustrating that PUSH is still not working, or activation, or MobileMe. I guess we should not expect great things from Apple, then we wont be disappointed :)
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The whole point of having an iPhone is that it's supposed to make my life easier - I shouldn't have to waste my time sorting out how I can get rid of it..

As far as not expecting great things from Apple..Apple used to be a great company in my opinion - far superior to Microsoft that's for sure - recently though, I'm not so sure..I'm very disappointed because I genuinely did expect more..

When the original iPhone was released it genuinely did make me go "WOW" - the new iPhone 3Gs - it genuinely made me go "has this honestly taken you a year Apple?"

No MMS on a phone till 2009 when basically every other phone has been offering it since 2006..what a bloody joke..
 
From my point of view its only waiting on the push notification stuff.

MMS and Tethering seems to work fine for me.. I was chatting on iChat with a coworker yesterday both of us tethered running our MBPs..
 
Thanks for the update...

I've been very upset spending 15 dollars on BeeJive, because supposedly they were the best and would have the better push notification system, and they still hadn't made a push compatible update.

Now I know who to channel my rage towards 8D

But seriously, my voice is right along with the other people in this thread, that Apple needs to get their..."crap" (to put it lightly) together.
 
skwoytek said:
Also, an iPod touch doesn't get push notifications if it's in sleep mode
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It does it you jailbreak;) I used to be pissed at Apple for these kinds of things but then I jailbroke and never looked back.

Jailbreaking: Actually giving iPhone and iPod Touch users what Apple promises
 
rKunda said:
I can't believe the level of whining in the community. I'm pretty sure there isn't some Apple exec sitting behind his desk laughing at us peasents, savoring the horrible torture he's putting us through. Heaven forbid we don't get everything we want exactly when we want it. Honestly, some of the people here sound like Violet from Willy Wonka. "But I want it nowwwwwwwww!"

If Apple is really that horrible, just jump ship and buy one of the other amazingly awesome smart phones where people don't have to deal with delays or fight with impatience. These dramatic, "This is the last straw!" comments are comical.
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Dude we've been hearing the same crap for 2 years with the iphone but yet they still here. :rolleyes:
 
I figured this was happening. Been waiting for the beejive update, aim update, and others and nothing has been released. I'm using the aim beta and it still works but I think it's about to expire. Oh well I would rather Apple get it worked out instead of us all be disappointed with crappy push service. But not really launching push apps since the introduction of 3.0 is kinda a big deal that I'm sure will get more attention starting tomorrow. On another note where is the tom tom app at? :apple:
 
dohspc said:
I figured this was happening. Been waiting for the beejive update, aim update, and others and nothing has been released. I'm using the aim beta and it still works but I think it's about to expire. Oh well I would rather Apple get it worked out instead of us all be disappointed with crappy push service. But not really launching push apps since the introduction of 3.0 is kinda a big deal that I'm sure will get more attention starting tomorrow. On another note where is the tom tom app at? :apple:
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You know push is working for some apps, just not every app.
 
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Apple just let the damn apps to run in the back ground. Give us an option to turn it on and off and we will take care of it....

I dont want to JB... plus its a 3GS anyways
 
i thought some apps had push already. im sure if this were true that apple would tell us something or something else would happen.
 
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