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Not a great analogy. Dirt road are always dirty and slippery. Busy but tarmac based roads tend to get clear at times.
Well ok, was just off the cuff but again as I experienced myself with my 4G capable 5 the network was not ready.
 
The issue is that there is no point having a 5G capable device until the network and infrastructure are in place. My 5 was 4G capable but my carrier was not when I got it in early 2013. The post above mine explains the benefits but everything needs to be in place.
Or conversely, there is no point having the infrastructure in place until a network 5G capable device is ready? They both need to be available. Lots of people are crapping all over this because Apple didn't announce it at the keynote.

We need Samsung, Huawei, Apple et al, to tell Verizon, WE ARE READY!!! Or there is little impetus to drive it forward.
 
Does it really matter if all phone manufacturers have a 5G ready phone if the 5G infrastructure itself is nowhere near ready? At least not in UK.
Qualcomm, time to face it that you lost Apple and move on.
I have to agree, VOLTE is still not rolled out properly on O2 in the UK. They are way behind. EE seem to be at the forefront but 5G is still a long way off here, and in my happy rural area I can get over 100Mbps on my iPhone Xs on EE which is more than I need to stream 4K HDR Netflix.

I'm in no hurry until the network is worth using and the kinks have been ironed out. Qualcomm and other manufacturers are just trying to think of new ways to get people to give them more cash for the next big thing. Like the first WI-FI 6 routers that are running on a early draft that may not work with the final draft which is due late in 2019. Samsung are pushing 8K TV's now but it will be a long while before 8K is broadcast and once again by then the early adopters will have TV's that may not support the HDMI standards properly, let alone the fact that there is hardly any 8K, hell 4K broadcasts are still in trial by the BBC!

I still remember the warning on 3G then 4G about how it would effect battery life, so I'll sit this one out till I can actually get a 5G signal which I imagine will be 2020/2021 here in the UK or later possibly, and even then only in big cities I imagine.
 
I have to agree, VOLTE is still not rolled out properly on O2 in the UK. They are way behind. EE seem to be at the forefront but 5G is still a long way off here, and in my happy rural area I can get over 100Mbps on my iPhone Xs on EE which is more than I need to stream 4K HDR Netflix.

I'm in no hurry until the network is worth using and the kinks have been ironed out. Qualcomm and other manufacturers are just trying to think of new ways to get people to give them more cash for the next big thing. Like the first WI-FI 6 routers that are running on a early draft that may not work with the final draft which is due late in 2019. Samsung are pushing 8K TV's now but it will be a long while before 8K is broadcast and once again by then the early adopters will have TV's that may not support the HDMI standards properly, let alone the fact that there is hardly any 8K, hell 4K broadcasts are still in trial by the BBC!

I still remember the warning on 3G then 4G about how it would effect battery life, so I'll sit this one out till I can actually get a 5G signal which I imagine will be 2020/2021 here in the UK or later possibly, and even then only in big cities I imagine.
Apple moved to a Draft N spec on routers a while back and people harped on about how great it would be. They will never iron out all of the kinks of any technology before they move on.
They've not perfected the internal combustion engine yet, probably still lots of advancements left but were moving to electric. Same goes for loads of other things. Let's advance. 5G has more to it that outright speed I am dead sure of that.
 
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Remember Sprints 4G Clearwire? That’s what happens when you adopt early. Phones that were worthless and useless soon after launch. The signal was garbage. Do I really want to experience that again, nope. Not to mention how long it’ll take the carriers to properly upgrade every tower. By the time you’ve got coverage, your new 5G phone will probably be outdated.
 
Who cares? It’s not like coverage will be instantly worldwide. Look at 4G and how long it takes to have decent coverage, and even then it’s still not as wide as 3G today. Heck, not many carriers even adopt LTE-Advance yet, nor VoLTE.

And we have not even discussed about the bands, multi carrier support, worldwide deployment, etc. Imagine having a 5G device that only works with 1 carrier (just like the first 4G devices).

Considering most people would upgrade their phones yearly or every 2 years anyway, it’s not going to be a big deal having 5G in 2019 or 2020.
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Makes no difference to me. Fortunately, I live in a world, where I'm almost always on Wifi.

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In hindsight, this is probably very good for cellular providers. Pretty much everyone I know, when they come over the first thing they ask for is the wifi password. I think that might be very common, for people to look for wifi when they can.

And I think it has to do with the speed (but could be because of their data cap). For those who do it due to speed, it's more probable that they will use their allotted data faster. Leading to more profit for the providers.
And some carriers will charge you extra for the privilege of using up your quota faster.
 
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Possibly, but what does it matter when 5G network coverage worldwide is in its infancy? Even with a very mature 4G, it is not like the coverage is stellar everywhere.
 
Possibly, but what does it matter when 5G network coverage worldwide is in its infancy? Even with a very mature 4G, it is not like the coverage is stellar everywhere.

The real point is that the moment you buy any mobile without 5G capabilities in North of $1000(or $2000 plus in the case of iPhones) will feel outdated in 2019 September...even with assured software upgrades for years to come and with the most powerful processors...

Resale value will be heavily affected by such perceptions....

If the mobile costs anywhere between $400-$500 or lesser then it doesn't matter
 
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5g is useless with data caps

Because when you're on 5G, the movies and music you stream has more data in it now? Websites and email now have more data in them? Or, is it the same amount of data, it just gets to you faster?

Faster doesn't mean the things you do suddenly have more data in them.
 
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Who cares. Where I live you have no cell signal of any kind. I even had to pay 3k to my isp to run a line to my house, ($1k a mile). If ya don't have wifi you don't have service here.
 
The problem is, Intel's 5G modem in 2020 will likely perform similar to Qualcomm's 2019 modem.
Seeing as how most of us won't be running two phones side by side, I don't really see the issue.
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And every Carrier will reintroduce plans that charge per minute.... making 5G unaffordable to most....like Gig speed internet.... :rolleyes::D:p:cool::apple::)
You mean... like talk minutes? If so, have at it. I don't use my phone for calls anyway.
 
Really? How so?
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Ah, I see. That’s a huge difference though. I’m sure plenty of PC/console gamers will notice that.
Yea they would in certain instances. Using Facebook on your phone, which is what we’re talking about in this instance, not quite.
 
That's not really true. What Qualcomm doesn't say is that the solution they are bringing to market in 2019 is a single-mode chipset which only does 5G, i.e. each phone using their solution needs two chipsets to support 5G and the existing standards (which will stick around for a long time since 5G coverage will be limited). This is expensive and uses more energy, which is why you will only see this solution in a small number of high-end phones.

Intel has decided to skip this step and directly bring a multi-mode chipset (the XMM8160) to market which supports both 5G and the existing standards, which means more efficiency and lower cost and allows its use in mainstream models. That chipset will be available to OEMs in late 2019, which means the first devices will ship in 2020. There won't be a lot of 5G coverage before then anyway.

The Snapdragon X50 modem is multi-mode though?

From 2017, which would put Intel behind the ball on this (I don't care who does it first, just trying to assure accuracy)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patric...odems-can-now-do-2g-to-5g-mwc17/#5c4d7dad5d06

https://www.qualcomm.com/news/relea...first-announced-5g-modem-family-support-5g-nr
 
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I will need 5G phone when I have 5G coverage in my area. May be.... With the price on XS max I do not think I give Tim Cook more than I can.
I think it is good idea to have 600Mhz T-mobile and B14 Att bands now, but not crucial.
 
The problem for Apple is that even if they could release 5G in 2019, they won't fearing the backlash from X, XR, XS, XS Max owners who had just spent a fortune! They might delay as long as possible.
The possible problem for Apple will be people holding off upgrading their iPhones for an extra year.
 
And no iOS customer will care.

iOS users are like I don’t care or it is not necessary when iPhone does not have certain feature. iOS users will cheer and think Apple invent something when Apple finally put it on iPhone. Keep going, you makes me laugh.
 
Takes at least 2 years for a new gen to sort itself out, just look how long 3G, 3.9G(UKs 4G), 4G took.

When so called 4G in the UK came out 3G was faster it took least a year until it got decent and more mast were equipped to handle the new network only now is 4G in the UK getting close to becoming a reality and they are now looking at 5G, I say no panic let’s finish one before starting another.

If 4G is only at 14Mbps at best when it was designed to go to 100Mbps what do you think 5G will be like on roll out.... 20Mbps hardly a must.

I understand that 5G is more about just mobile phones this time but to the average consumer it will just be used for that and be not much different than 4G until least 2 years by that time they will have another new phone and at that time Apple will have 5G support
 
The real point is that the moment you buy any mobile without 5G capabilities in North of $1000(or $2000 plus in the case of iPhones) will feel outdated in 2019 September...even with assured software upgrades for years to come and with the most powerful processors...

Resale value will be heavily affected by such perceptions....

If the mobile costs anywhere between $400-$500 or lesser then it doesn't matter
Agree 100%. I was thinking about getting a new phone next year but may keep the 6S for another year.
 
All in favor of letting android users be guinea pigs, “smash that like button”.

Apple using Intel modem is put iOS users as guinea pigs. Intel is no where near Qualcomm and iPhone XS Max has worst reception compare with Android flagships. Apple using Intel is pure greed and want use sheer numbers of iOS users as guniea pigs to help Intel develop their modem
 
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