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iPhones (and many electronics) are made in a factory that is situated within a special economic zone in China. This zone is kind of like the international terminal of an airport. You have left the country but not physically out.

The reason for this is there are certain taxes a domestic company will have to pay but when you’re in this special zone, you don’t have to. You can export items that haven’t been taxed. The kicker is when you’re selling these products back to China, you are essentially importing and therefore taxes and duties of China.

Hence this ban can exist.

Ah, of course, that makes sense.
 
Just stop. Another newbie account posting nonsense. What a surprise! It’s pretty obvious that you don’t know what you’re talking about, that you have no evidence whatsoever for your slanderous claims. You say that Apple reverse engineers chips and passes that info to Intel? What, Intel, the largest chip manufacturer in the world, can’t reverse engineer on their own??? Show us one grain of evidence. Otherwise, stop spouting nonsense and polluting this forum. It just makes you look foolish and we have enough Apple hating newbies with no value here already.

The guy probably refers to these claims. The issue has not been resolved in courts yet.
 
Is it realistic for Apple to manufacture and assemble iPhones in America?

Is there anything say Trump/Congress could do to make this a reality?
 
The guy probably refers to these claims. The issue has not been resolved in courts yet.

Which means it’s just another baseless accusation. When there’s PROOF, one can make affirmative statements that Apple reverse engineered chips and passed that info along. But there’s no proof and that guy knows it, so then he spouts more nonsense about paying off judges, etc. when he’s called out. Its just ridiculous and embarrassing. And why would Intel need Apple to reverse engineer chips in the first place? That doesn’t even make sense.
 
Actually no, what happens with Apple is: Apple buys Qualcomm modems (or any other product), reverse engineers the product, decides that Qualcomm is too expensive or whatever and provides the reversed engineered info to Intel, and buys new modems.

So Qualcomm is only protecting its IP, I recall Apple doing the same thing to Samsung, and many other companies.
And you would have to prove that. Let's apply that to you. You walk into a Walmart and shoplift and you get caught so you're arrested and punished. A few years later you walk into that same store but this time someone else does the shoplifting but they accuse and arrest you again because you previously shoplifted even though you didn't do it the second time.
 
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Is it realistic for Apple to manufacture and assemble iPhones in America?

Is there anything say Trump/Congress could do to make this a reality?

Please do tell me why a global company which products are sold for more than *60% outside of the states have to manufacture their products in the states.

To answer your question (genuinely), too expensive, too complicated, too few people instantly available as in, we need 300.000 people more next week.


*Pretty sure it's closer to 70%.
 
Actually no, what happens with Apple is: Apple buys Qualcomm modems (or any other product), reverse engineers the product, decides that Qualcomm is too expensive or whatever and provides the reversed engineered info to Intel, and buys new modems.

So Qualcomm is only protecting its IP, I recall Apple doing the same thing to Samsung, and many other companies.
Qualcomm pushing anti-Apple campaign with same research firm ...https://9to5mac.com/2018/11/15/qualcomm-anti-apple-campaign-facebook/
 
Keep in mind that Apple after signing an agreement with Qualcomm has now decided they dont like the arrangement and dont want to pay the agreed price. it has also been allgeded that Apple tranferred Qualcomm’s intellectual property to compeditor Intel to assist them in developing a competing product so Apple would have an alternative supplier. It is futher alleged that it is odd that compeditor Samsung now challenges Qualcomm’s market position since Apple may have been restricted from doing so by their previous Qualcomm agreement. This is also the same Apple that aggressively pursues independent repair shops for alleged intellectual property violations.
 
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Am I the only one that noticed that after iOS 12, the Pink and blue dynamic wallpaper on the iPhone X is now misaligned that the top left hand corner now show blue vs. the pink that it was advertised with?
Probably the only one..
 
I don't comprehend. Or you wanted to say "China has it's advantages due to access of parts and skilled labour"
Genuine question/remark(I am non native)

If it's cheaper to manufacture somewhere else they will move, it happened before with lots of other industries/products.
Tim Cook actually talked about this in an interview not too long ago. He specifically stated that Apple uses Chinese labor because of the quantity of skilled labor need to meet their needs. He said the US just doesn't have enough labor with particular skills. I believe the analogy he used compared the size of US labor to a "board" room vs Chinese labor to that of football stadium.
 
Tim Cook actually talked about this in an interview not too long ago. He specifically stated that Apple uses Chinese labor because of the quantity of skilled labor need to meet their needs. He said the US just doesn't have enough labor with particular skills. I believe the analogy he used compared the size of US labor to a "board" room vs Chinese labor to that of football stadium.

But, this does not mean they will never go somewhere else, if China gets too expensive (it will happen) they will move somewhere else, maybe by then Indonesia for instance has the workforce and skills, although I doubt it. (Been living there)
 
Smart consumers win if all things lead to Apple paying their fair share like everyone else and switching back to Qualcomm radios with better reception and performance.
Won’t happen and this isn’t even about Qualcomm wireless tech. Apple is going to completely leave Qualcomm.
 
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I'm time-stamping this one: 10:30 AM California-time !

This is BIG !

I've had CNBC on ALL morning as usual, & Jim Cramer just said he just talked to AAPL about the current issue.

He stated that it ONLY affects iPhones with iOS 11 or older.

That means AAPL is currently UN-able to sell anything but the XR, XS, & XS Max in China !

That means AAPL is currently UN-able to sell ~60-70% of what they had been, prior to today !

Cramer, being Clueless as usual, does NOT know that !

In fact, NO ONE on CNBC has any real clue about AAPL ! ... blind speculation is ALL they offer up on AAPL !!
 
Qualcomm - the worlds #1 patent troll - never fails to disappoint.

But the idea of a Chinese court taking intellectual property rights seriously also contains too much irony. :D
 
He stated that it ONLY affects iPhones with iOS 11 or older.

That means AAPL is currently UN-able to sell anything but the XR, XS, & XS Max in China !

That means AAPL is currently UN-able to sell ~60-70% of what they had been, prior to today !

I’m pretty sure all new iPhones come with iOS 12 installed, so I think you’re wrong about that.
 
I don't comprehend. Or you wanted to say "China has it's advantages due to access of parts and skilled labour"
Genuine question/remark(I am non native)

If it's cheaper to manufacture somewhere else they will move, it happened before with lots of other industries/products.

It's already expensive to manufacture in China.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/744071/manufacturing-labor-costs-per-hour-china-vietnam-mexico/

"China is advantageous, do to its access to parts and skilled labor." Thats why companies choose to manufacture there. There are other reasons to choose China over other locations that may be cheaper. China offers political and economic stability compared to places like Mexico, vietnam, Brazil, Philippines or anywhere in Africa.
 
China is in a win win situation since this is good PR in the trade dispute and even if Chinese made iPhones are banned it will still drive sales of Chinese made non-banned iPhones or locally branded phones so zero financial impact.
 
It's already expensive to manufacture in China.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/744071/manufacturing-labor-costs-per-hour-china-vietnam-mexico/

"China is advantageous, do to its access to parts and skilled labor." Thats why companies choose to manufacture there. There are other reasons to choose China over other locations that may be cheaper. China offers political and economic stability compared to places like Mexico, vietnam, Brazil, Philippines or anywhere in Africa.

I think it’s very unrealistic to believe that tech manufacturing will ever leave Asia. The entire industry pretty much grew up there. It’s so deeply entrenched at this point. Reproducing that elsewhere is next to impossible.
 
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And this is why it's so risky to do business in China. Kangaroo court, protectionist policies, rampant IP theft, the list goes on.
China is Apple’s double-edged sword. Most of the time, everything runs fine with Chinese factories churning out fresh product for Apple, but when the courts/government/whatever overreaches or Apple’s IP exposure over there becomes an issue with scrupulous individuals seeing an opportunity...
 
It's already expensive to manufacture in China.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/744071/manufacturing-labor-costs-per-hour-china-vietnam-mexico/

"China is advantageous, do to its access to parts and skilled labor." Thats why companies choose to manufacture there. There are other reasons to choose China over other locations that may be cheaper. China offers political and economic stability compared to places like Mexico, vietnam, Brazil, Philippines or anywhere in Africa.

Link is behind a paywall, ugh.
Thanks for your reply though.
 
Is it realistic for Apple to manufacture and assemble iPhones in America?

Is there anything say Trump/Congress could do to make this a reality?
You're asking the wrong question. Can Apple manufacture anything?. Every thing they produce is made by other companies components.
 
Some parts are made in the US and have to be imported there.

They are banning the actual product, but they are not important any iPhones so doesn’t apply and they say if running iOS 12 it’s not effected so quite pointless as they all be sold as running iOS 12 and they are made in that china so not being imported so utterly waster of time and money as Apple wins by default
 
Eventually they will move, wait until manufacturing gets too expensive in China.

Do they have the time to wait for such an eventuality? If this trade war goes on for another 6 years or more, it will wreak havoc on product plans.
 
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