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AvSRoCkCO1067 said:
The downside to this? Upgrading in the future becomes more costly, as you have 2x256 chips that are basically useless...

Tell that to everyone who keeps SPAMMING the Marketplace trying to sell them, ha! NO ONE WANTS YOUR PIDDLY LITTE 256 STICKS!!!
 
markkk! said:
sweeet :)
all these people are gonna have a heart attack for the shared memory though

Why does everyone think shared video memory is so bad? I play 3D games such as Doom 3 on medium to high settings on my MB, and it runs perfectly:)
 
weitzner said:
i was thinking that maybe using 256 MB sticks keeps the cost down as maybe they are left-overs from days gone... perhaps they are simpply clearly out their inventory, and then they will update the specs to 1 512 stick.


Congratulation, you're this years winner of the "Giving Apple Too Much Credit Award" :D :)

Sorry, I'm just having fun.... but Apple has A-L-W-A-Y-S pulled this kind of nonsense with it's hardware and especially with memory... Some of the stuff I've seen them do is crazy to the point that you'd wonder who in their right mind would ever buy a system with 'Apple Upgraded Ram'. You want 1GB okay we'll charge you Street-Price + A 42% Surcharge oh you want that 1GB in one stick instead of 2 512's??? Sorry make that Street-Price + A 64% Surcharge... :lol:

Dave
 
dextertangocci said:
Why does everyone think shared video memory is so bad? I play 3D games such as Doom 3 on medium to high settings on my MB, and it runs perfectly:)

i don't mind it but i think everyone else will.
 
dextertangocci said:
Why does everyone think shared video memory is so bad? I play 3D games such as Doom 3 on medium to high settings on my MB, and it runs perfectly:)

That is because, unlike you who actually own a MB, most of these people don't own or have not tried out a new Mini or MB, so they are just spouting retoric.

Integrated graphics is not as bad as it is made out to be around here. If all you did was read the opinions around here, you'd think integrated graphics is the end of computing as we know it.

And the fact that this new iMac will eventually, like the eMac before it, be available to anyone, will prove that.

An iMac for less than $1000 would be the best selling Mac in my opinion.
 
this would actually be perfect for my mom (a school librarian) as she's currently on a 1 Ghz emac that has gotten really slow. She doesn't have an external monitor so a mini is no good, and she doesn't want to spend a lot... this might work perfectly. :)
 
DaveGee said:
Congratulation, you're this years winner of the "Giving Apple Too Much Credit Award" :D :)

Sorry, I'm just having fun.... but Apple has A-L-W-A-Y-S pulled this kind of nonsense with it's hardware and especially with memory... Some of the stuff I've seen them do is crazy to the point that you'd wonder who in their right mind would ever buy a system with 'Apple Upgraded Ram'. You want 1GB okay we'll charge you Street-Price + A 42% Surcharge oh you want that 1GB in one stick instead of 2 512's??? Sorry make that Street-Price + A 64% Surcharge... :lol:

Dave

well at least i won SOMETHING :)
 
Actually, intergrated graphics is even worse than I thought when I tried using a Macbook.

But the truth is, many people here are happy with graphical performace they got from the Macbooks and Mac Minis, and good for them :)
 
Yeah, I might be able to get my mom to spring the dough for one of these. She's working on a Gateway model with a 1GHz Celeron, 512MB RAM (I upgraded from 128MB), and 200GB HDD capacity (I upgraded from 20GB). Now I think the graphics card I got for it (GeForce2 MX400, sux0rz) is dieing, the artifacts that usually come from overclocking/extreme heat are popping up. I'm not going to try to fix it, as I hope I can get her to buy a Mac. Of course, we're going on a K-12 teacher's salary (which isn't much at all).

Macs are almost viral. One of my friend's dad moved his family here from Jersey (I think), and he uses Macs. He's converted his son (my friend) to Mac, and he has an iBook. I was forced to use his iBook at a study session (I literally mean forced, I was diehard Windows at the time). I liked it, and a few months later (i.e., last Friday) I got the jack for a MBP and it arrived. I've also converted another friend, and his MacBook arrived July 3. His brother, who owns a 3.6GHz Alienware machine, really liked the MacBook, as he's going off to college, and I don't even want to guess how much the Alienware weighs. The Alienware/MacBook guy's mom saw me and MB guy video chatting from different sides of their house (I stayed the day with them July 3), and went crazy. She saw how easy iPhoto was (she loves taking pictures, has a digital Rebel) and said the next desktop they get should be a Mac. Now I'm going to try to get my mom to get this

Sorry for the off-topic rambling, I'm at work and I'm bored.
 
AvSRoCkCO1067 said:
There's no question that Apple's going to have to change something with the Mini (whether it be features or price) in the coming months (prior to Christmas), as it is an awful deal when looked at comparitively.

Both the Mini and the edu-iMac have similar ram and graphics capability...and at least the mini comes with a remote...but the monitor on the iMac is gorgeous, and worth about 200+ in my mind...

Does anyone else think that this low-low price has anything to do with the recent Intel reductions in its prices???

you mean like the iPod with video is only a few quid more than the iPod nano, and the iPod nano is only a few more than the Shuffle, making the shuffle and/or the nano a bad deal?

or like a BMW 520i being only $1000 cheaper than a 535i, making the 520i pointless?

different people need different things.
 
kingtj said:
Actually, while this might be generally true, I wouldn't push my luck. Apple has some legal notes in the fine print when you place an edu. store order which, among other things, state that your claim of educational status is subject to future verification after the initial purchase. And further, if they do one of these "audits" and find you falsely claimed eduational status to obtain a discount, you're subject to being billed the difference in price between what you paid and the retail price for the item(s).

Bump on this.

Apple will randomly ask for verification, usually a copy of your enrollment or some other kind of official certification. It does happen. in the past 3 years, 2 or 3 of my students have been asked to verify. As well, if you buy for EDU price in the Apple store, they want an ID and may still ask for other verification.
 
Another advantage over the mini...this one comes with mighty mouse and keyboard. The mini really needs to come down in price, IMO. My sister wants to pick up 3 or 4 minis for her kids, but if they don't get bumped or lowered in price by the end of the summer, I'm going to recommend the iMac, even though she already has screens and keyboards (PS/2 though, not USB) from her old PCs.

Oh, and regarding the 256 x 2 RAM configuration...clearly Apple is trying to burn off excess 256 sticks in inventory. RAM manufacturers are already reducing output of 256 modules due to lack of demand. Very shortly 512 will be the smallest modules made.
 
My luck. I've just bought an 17-inch iMac this past Saturday with my student discount. Well, at least I got my free 2GB iPod nano... (American promotion)
 
DTphonehome said:
Oh, and regarding the 256 x 2 RAM configuration...clearly Apple is trying to burn off excess 256 sticks in inventory. RAM manufacturers are already reducing output of 256 modules due to lack of demand. Very shortly 512 will be the smallest modules made.


And 512 RAM should be a minimum when running OS X anyway..
 
iDrinkKoolAid said:
My luck. I've just bought an 17-inch iMac this past Saturday with my student discount. Well, at least I got my free 2GB iPod nano... (American promotion)

Product: iMac
Last Release: January 10, 2006
Days Since Update: 176 (Average = 183)
With the refresh being this late and WWDC just a few weeks away, you didn't wait? I am waiting for a refresh at least. Even if it's not Merom in the iMac.

Oh and my birthday is in two weeks. On a TUESDAY. :rolleyes:
 
DTphonehome said:
Another advantage over the mini...this one comes with mighty mouse and keyboard. The mini really needs to come down in price, IMO. My sister wants to pick up 3 or 4 minis for her kids, but if they don't get bumped or lowered in price by the end of the summer, I'm going to recommend the iMac, even though she already has screens and keyboards (PS/2 though, not USB) from her old PCs.

Oh, and regarding the 256 x 2 RAM configuration...clearly Apple is trying to burn off excess 256 sticks in inventory. RAM manufacturers are already reducing output of 256 modules due to lack of demand. Very shortly 512 will be the smallest modules made.

I don't think the RAM config. has anything to do with burning off excess 256 sticks. ALL macs using integrated graphics use the two-stick config.
 
AvSRoCkCO1067 said:
Well you could always "pair" each remote with each computer, so that wouldn't happen...

...but still, you're right. Schools don't have any need for "Front Row," unless maybe a teacher wants to show dvds in her class often and can just hook up a projector to the iMac to watch them (in which case she could just buy a 30 dollar remote...)


Or just use the keyboard to start up Front Row.....


anyhow this is a fantastic development.

I think the case could still change in the near future all Apple did was alter the components and use the 17" iMac's case.
 
jholzner said:
I don't think the RAM config. has anything to do with burning off excess 256 sticks. ALL macs using integrated graphics use the two-stick config.

Right...and they will do that until they run out of 256 modules. Then they will start using one 512 stick. Using the 256 sticks is the most cost-effective way of getting 512 MB into a machine, plus it uses up inventory which will soon be obsolete. When 1 GB becomes standard, they won't be using 4 x 256. They will use 512 x 2.
 
Sam* said:

Finally a frame of reference for UKers. Not on the Edu store in the UK yet but comparing this to the old lowest spec iMac which is £773 to contact educational purchasers.

£134 buys:

Superdrive
Dedicated graphics
Remote
Bluetooth
160GB vs 80GB HD

For personal purchases most people would rather pay the extra I think but if you're equipping a lab or the budget is tight it's nice this new model exists.
 
081440 said:
Or just use the keyboard to start up Front Row.....


anyhow this is a fantastic development.

I think the case could still change in the near future all Apple did was alter the components and use the 17" iMac's case.


Well I think it's horrible. I hate saving money and having nice computers.
 
This machine is a good general schooling machine - capable at word processing, spread sheet, programming etc.

There is no need for a high end graphics card, BT etc and the costs are kept down.

This obviously isn't a machine for a media course - animation etc.
 
DTphonehome said:
Right...and they will do that until they run out of 256 modules. Then they will start using one 512 stick. Using the 256 sticks is the most cost-effective way of getting 512 MB into a machine, plus it uses up inventory which will soon be obsolete. When 1 GB becomes standard, they won't be using 4 x 256. They will use 512 x 2.


uh..... There are only two RAM slots in the iMac so how could they possibly fit four sticks in? :eek:


As said before paired memory is used on all Macs with integrated graphics, it's because it lets the same amount of RAM move faster and therefore the shared memory is less of a drag.
 
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