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[FurbyUK]

Of cause it does.

Imagine if I handed you a 17 lbs laptop and said "back in the 80s, laptops were heavier than that".

Are you now going to carry that laptop around?

No it doesn't and your comparison is irrelevant as it's either deliberate obtuse or you're just misinformed.

With 1/4 to 1/8, there was a small adapter you either left attached to the device/headphones or carried around with you. Same as with lightning to 3.5mm jack.

If you're going to dismiss my point, use an example that's relevant to your point.

 

[Fuchal]

Like the $9 ones Apple starts selling on Friday?

No, not adapters, headphone cables. No reason people can't just make their existing headphones (with replaceable cables) a lightning headphone with a simple cable swap.

eg.
https://aiaiai.dk/headphones/tma-2/parts/cables/c08
http://www.masterdynamic.com/products/1-45m-standard-cable?variant=5339784961
http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MHE12G/A/beats-audio-cable
https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Cable-SENNHEISER-Headphones-HD650/dp/B0028PGXRE

 

[deeddawg]

...and when did this happened?

Thirty or so years ago, as portable audio devices started to become popular.

I expect that many MacRumors participants probably hadn't yet been born so they don't remember all the 1/4" jack headphones.

Also, Lightning won't ever be widely adopted.

Let's revisit that forecast in a few years. Maybe it turns out to be true, maybe it doesn't.

How's the track record of folks betting *against* apple been (on average) for the past few years?

 

[FurbyUK]

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Also, Lightning won't ever be widely adopted.

The lightning being widely adopted is a separate point. You'll see headphone/speaker manufacturers adopting it more, that's a given.

As I've said before, personally I wish Apple would switch to USB C, though think the USB C audio was lacking at the time they came up with lightning. Hopefully they switch to USB C at some point.

 

[deeddawg]

No, not adapters, headphone cables. No reason people can't just make their existing headphones (with replaceable cables) a lightning headphone with a simple cable swap.

To-may-to, to-mah-to. We're saying the same thing in a different way, I'm just pointing to something that's starting the process on day one.

https://aiaiai.dk/headphones/tma-2/parts/cables/c08

Ha, and there's a 1/4" phono adapter!

 

[Fuchal]

Ha, and there's a 1/4" phono adapter!

A screw on lightning adapter would be pretty slick, actually.

 

[tubeexperience]

No it doesn't and your comparison is irrelevant as it's either deliberate obtuse or you're just misinformed.

With 1/4 to 1/8, there was a small adapter you either left attached to the device/headphones or carried around with you. Same as with lightning to 3.5mm jack.

If you're going to dismiss my point, use an example that's relevant to your point.

Of the example is relevant.

Back when the 3.5" was introduced, most people didn't have cell phone (or other very portable electronics) and hence they don't need to carry around an adapter.

 

[FurbyUK]

Back when the 3.5" was introduced, most people didn't have cell phone (or other very portable electronics) and hence they don't need to carry around an adapter.

No, but we did have walkmans and discmans.... you're saying they're not portable electronics?

As me and Funchal said, it took a long while before 3.5mm headphones were introduced and then a decade before they were main stream. Even in the early 90's we were still having to use adapters, decades after 3.5mm was introduced...

 

[tubeexperience]

No, but we did have walkmans and discmans.... you're saying they're not portable electronics?

As me and Funchal said, it took a long while before 3.5mm headphones were introduced and then a decade before they were main stream. Even in the early 90's we were still having to use adapters, decades after 3.5mm was introduced...

3.5mm headphone jack was introduced long before the walkmans. People were already using headphone with that headphone jack.

 

[Fuchal]

No, but we did have walkmans and discmans.... you're saying they're not portable electronics?

As me and Funchal said, it took a long while before 3.5mm headphones were introduced and then a decade before they were main stream. Even in the early 90's we were still having to use adapters, decades after 3.5mm was introduced...

12 years ago, HP made iPaq bluetooth headphones, even HP is waiting for the wireless future

 

[FurbyUK]

3.5mm headphone jack was introduced long before the walkmans.

You're obviously not reading what we are telling you.

Yes they were, but when Walkmans came out, the only decent headphones were still 1/4 jack, only cheap poor quality Ines were 3.5mm. Therefore if you wanted a decent pair of headphones, you had to have an adapter.

 

[Fuchal]

3.5mm headphone jack was introduced long before the walkmans. People were already using headphone with that headphone jack.

It took the Walkman's popularity for the 3.5mm headphone to really catch on and go mainstream. Consumer electronics were still mostly 1/4". Apple is making a similar push in this regard given their market position.

 

[FurbyUK]

It took the Walkman's popularity for the 3.5mm headphone to really catch on and go mainstream. Consumer electronics were still mostly 1/4". Apple is making a similar push in this regard given their market position.

Exactly. He's making our point for us without realising, it seems.

 

[deeddawg]

It took the Walkman's popularity for the 3.5mm headphone to really catch on and go mainstream. Consumer electronics were still mostly 1/4". Apple is making a similar push in this regard given their market position.

The part not being mentioned is that prior to portable cassette players such as the walkman, the 1/8" (or 3.5mm) earpieces were single-ear monaural devices used with AM or shortwave radios.

Any hi-fi headphones were 1/4" jack stereo. Only with the walkmen did we really start seeing stereo 3.5mm jack headphones, initially pretty poor quality, and over the years higher quality units became available.

At least as I remember things.

 

[tubeexperience]

Exactly. He's making our point for us without realising, it seems.

And as I pointed out, Lightning is proprietary and there isn't going to be a widespread of Lightning like there is of the 3.5" headphone jack.

 

[FurbyUK]

And as I point out, Lightning is proprietary and there isn't going to be a widespread of Lightning like there is of the 3.5" headphone jack.

You're bouncing between 2 separate points.

You've made 2 points:
1. Your issue with having to use adapters, which we've pointed out is an in issue, as it's happened before.
2. Lightning being proprietary. Which I partly agree with. I'd rather Apple switched to USB-C, but I disagree with lightning not going widespread. There will be an increase of lightning audio related accessories and adapters. For obvious reasons though, there won't be lightning ports on windows laptops, etc.

Are you now accepting point 1 as being resolved?

 

[deeddawg]

Lightning is proprietary and there isn't going to be a widespread of Lightning

It's tough to take that prediction seriously when there are racks and displays of USB to Lightning charge/data cables in every drugstore, convenience store, grocery store, department store, etc. that you walk into these days.

For a proprietary connector that isn't going to be widespread, there sure seem to be a heck of a lot of them out there. It'll be a small leap for all of those suppliers to add a DAC and lighting connector to the various headphones they're selling in the same racks.

 

[FurbyUK]

It's tough to take that prediction seriously when there are racks and displays of USB to Lightning charge/data cables in every drugstore, convenience store, grocery store, department store, etc. that you walk into these days.

For a proprietary connector that isn't going to be widespread, there sure seem to be a heck of a lot of them out there.

He needs to get used to 3.5mm going away in the next couple years. 2 android brands ditched it in the last 6 months, you can bet HTC and Samsung will in be doing the same in their next devices, intel wants to drop it, and are pushing USB-C instead, so you're going to see more laptops ditching 3.5mm and switching to that too.

 

[tubeexperience]

You're bouncing between 2 separate points.

You've made 2 points:
1. Your issue with having to use adapters, which we've pointed out is an in issue, as it's happened before.
2. Lightning being proprietary. Which I partly agree with. I'd rather Apple switched to USB-C, but I disagree with lightning not going widespread. There will be an increase of lightning audio related accessories and adapters. For obvious reasons though, there won't be lightning ports on windows laptops, etc.

Are you now accepting point 1 as being resolved?

1. People have to use adapters when there's a transition from an old to a new standard and they accept it because, for whatever reason, this new standard is better than the old. For example, USB-type C can be used to charged laptops instead of the previously non-standard laptop chargers. Which leads to point 2.
2. Lightning is proprietary so it's not going to be widely adopted.

 

[deeddawg]

 

[FurbyUK]

1. People have to use adapters when there's a transition from an old to a new standard and they accept it because, for whatever reason, this new standard is better than the old. For example, USB-type C can be used to charged laptops instead of the previously non-standard laptop chargers. Which leads to point 2.
2. Lightning is proprietary so it's not going to be widely adopted.

Right, so you're accepting what me and Fuchal were telling you all along about adapters. Good.

Also, it already is widely adopted in the accessory market and will just get more so now, with a much wider range of audio accessories. You'll see all headphone manufacturers and speaker manufacturers have lightning products in the next year or so, since you know, the amount of iPhones in the world.

Also, either you really don't read what's being posted properly, but I want Apple to switch to USB C, now it's much improved.

 

[tubeexperience]

Also, it already is widely adopted in the accessory market and will just get more so now, with a much wider range of audio accessories. You'll see all headphone manufacturers and speaker manufacturers have lightning products in the next year or so, since you know, the amount of iPhones in the world.

Also, either you really don't read what's being posted properly, but I want Apple to switch to USB C, now it's much improved.

I don't expect these accessories to be well receive by the consumers.

For example, I doubt that they would want to buy Sennheiser headphones that only work with iPhones and iPads.

And no way in **** would Apple adopt USB-C for iPhones and iPads. Apple make money licensing Lightning to accessories makers.

 

[deeddawg]

For example, I doubt that they would want to buy Sennheiser headphones that only work with iPhones and iPads.

If that's all a person has to plug them into why wouldn't they buy them?

Sennheiser has sold iphone specific headphones for years, where the audio controls did not work with other devices.

They also kept a separate version for non-apple devices.

Why would they change a years old practice now?

 

[FurbyUK]

I don't expect these accessories to be well receive by the consumers.

For example, I doubt that they would want to buy Sennheiser headphones that only work with iPhones and iPads.

So, you're now projecting personal opinion as fact? That's the second to last resort of someone that cannot make a rational point.

 

[tubeexperience]

So, you're now projecting personal opinion as fact? That's the second to last resort of someone that cannot make a rational point.

Can't you read? I wrote: "I don't expect".

And as I already pointed out, there won't be widespread adoption of Lightning because it is proprietary.