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Radeon Pro 450 2GB vs 460 4GB

So what I'm gathering in this thread is, if I do light 4k editing on a 5k monitor and don't really game, I should stick with the 450? I'm thinking of doing the base 15" and upgrading to a 512GB SSD, but wasn't sure if I should drop the extra $200 for the GPU upgrade.
 
Exactly. Intel may control which parts Apple gets to use, but Apple controls its operating system. If the iGPU isn't up to the task, the dGPU will take up the slack.
 
TigerWoodsIV said:
So what I'm gathering in this thread is, if I do light 4k editing on a 5k monitor and don't really game, I should stick with the 450? I'm thinking of doing the base 15" and upgrading to a 512GB SSD, but wasn't sure if I should drop the extra $200 for the GPU upgrade.
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If you're going to be doing any kind of video editing at all I would get the 460. If it's some here and there thing you'll do once in a blue moon, then I guess the 450 is ok. But the 460 is definitely a cut above the base model, just for the 4GB of VRAM alone.
 
xmonkey said:
If you're going to be doing any kind of video editing at all I would get the 460. If it's some here and there thing you'll do once in a blue moon, then I guess the 450 is ok. But the 460 is definitely a cut above the base model, just for the 4GB of VRAM alone.
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Yeah that's my worry, like I'm already spending a small fortune, what's $200? I like my laptops to last a LONG time too. The MBP I have now is painfully slow, yet somehow tolerable for what I do on my 1920x1200 display.

I'm going to be picking up the 5K monitor (if the price stays under $1k when it's actually available) and I'm about to start working for a camera company where I'll get a massive discount, so those combined will open up a world of possibilities for photo/video editing I'm not taking advantage of right now.
 
TigerWoodsIV said:
Yeah that's my worry, like I'm already spending a small fortune, what's $200? I like my laptops to last a LONG time too. The MBP I have now is painfully slow, yet somehow tolerable for what I do on my 1920x1200 display.

I'm going to be picking up the 5K monitor (if the price stays under $1k when it's actually available) and I'm about to start working for a camera company where I'll get a massive discount, so those combined will open up a world of possibilities for photo/video editing I'm not taking advantage of right now.
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If you intend to keep it for a long time then I'd say 100% go for the 460. It's the most cost-effective upgrade you can do to these new MBPs and I'm almost surprised Apple didn't charge more for it.
 
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aevan said:
As others mentioned, it's optimization and coding for a specific hardware. For example, I have a M290X on my iMac 5K which is very similar to the GPU in PS4 (same generation, lot of spec similarities, same speed, etc.) and there are some multiplatform games that run poorly (in bootcamp) but work flawlessly on the PS4. Of course, PS4 games often have certain graphical elements downgraded, but in reality - they work and look great, while the same games stutter on similarly specced PCs.
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So in your opinion - would you run all games (including ones that work on macOS) via bootcamp? Or stick with macOS for games like WoW and Diablo 3? What OS runs games better on Macs?
 
Nick.Xiao said:
Thanks! Yeah, I think I'll wait for the reviews. Although in fact I would only connect it to one 5K display, since the main reasons for me to use external displays are Adobe Lightroom and more room for daily tasks. Because neither's exactly graphic intensive, I believe even the baseline would most likely be fine. The reason I'm curious about 450/460's performance with multiple external displays is that I'm really looking forward to a yet-to-come single 8K display, lighting up over 30 million pixels, ready to connect to a laptop and reasonably priced. Hope I can get it by 2020.
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It comes down to drivers and whether 8k is supported. If it's not, then this won't matter. You're reaching the realm of diminishing returns with 5K anyway, considering the typical viewing distance of 18 inches.

kave said:
I think Lightroom is a real slouch so to get it as fast ast possible get the best cpu and gpu if you need it to be as fast as possible. One of very few apps where I think people complain about performance still.
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Lightroom doesn't get much out of the gpu. It's a waste of money. They may have cleared this up, but some of the early gpu accelerated features often ran slower that way. Gpus work differently. They benefit from parallelism. You have the overhead of moving tasks over. Adobe isn't likely to spend a lot of money tuning this on the Mac side until Apple once again settles on a particular standard.
 
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SeanG1027 said:
So in your opinion - would you run all games (including ones that work on macOS) via bootcamp? Or stick with macOS for games like WoW and Diablo 3? What OS runs games better on Macs?
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Games will run mostly better in bootcamp (because most developers optimize for Windows and just port to Mac) - but I play WoW and Diablo 3 in macOS. The difference is not that large so I play in macOS because of convenience. If I want to play Overwatch, however, I have to go to bootcamp on my iMac, because there is no macOS option.

By the way, WoW uses Metal, so it may even run just as well in macOS as in Windows - didn't do tests. Either way, I played both WoW: Legion and Diablo 3 on my MacBook Pro 2013 in macOS and they work perfectly fine - on medium/high settings. M370X is 70% faster than my GeForce 750M. And Radeon Pro 455 is around 60% faster (or something like that) than M370X, while 460 is 120% faster according to Apple. Diablo 3 and WoW will work just great.
 
aevan said:
Games will run mostly better in bootcamp (because most developers optimize for Windows and just port to Mac) - but I play WoW and Diablo 3 in macOS. The difference is not that large so I play in macOS because of convenience. If I want to play Overwatch, however, I have to go to bootcamp on my iMac, because there is no macOS option.

By the way, WoW uses Metal, so it may even run just as well in macOS as in Windows - didn't do tests. Either way, I played both WoW: Legion and Diablo 3 on my MacBook Pro 2013 in macOS and they work perfectly fine - on medium/high settings. M370X is 70% faster than my GeForce 750M. And Radeon Pro 455 is around 60% faster (or something like that) than M370X, while 460 is 120% faster according to Apple. Diablo 3 and WoW will work just great.
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Thanks a lot. I appreciate your help! I'm gonna run WoW and D3 natively and play GoW4 via boot camp. I'll let you know what settings and frame rate I get once my machine gets in next week.
 
TazmoStarkana said:
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There's arguments both ways, the faster parts will need to be at their peak for less time to complete the same amount of work where as they all have the same TDP among speeds and there is the argument that the faster parts are actually more efficient or at least have higher tolerances for their expected abilities.

Truthfully: nobody knows until these are in the hands of actual users or reviews are published that are trustworthy and include the multiple specification levels.
 
It's Apple, if they picked the 460 as a BTO, it won't be a dud. They probably already did tests on their end and it's TDP works fine in the new design
 
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Hey where can you buy custom macbook pro builds without sales tax? I know MacMall is one of them but I get a sales tax added at the end. It wasn't always like this until recently.
 
I ordered my daughter a 13 MBP from B&H and there was no tax on it. I believe you can get some custom builds from them.
 
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