Please stop. You have not listened to a single word anyone has said. It is obvious, based on your continued use of this pathetic argument that is not applicable.
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Rant: 30-year Mac fanatic finally buys Windows
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This comment is so ridiculous it's almost hard to formulate a response. But let me try.
Firstly I didn't hound Apple.. I'm discussing it here on a discussion board on the internet, amongst other Apple enthusiasts. I've never contacted Apple to make my feelings known - I've just stopped buying their products. I don't see how that is hounding Apple.
Secondly, I did use common sense and bought what I needed. I didn't whine about it. I made a decision based on the information / options available to me and spent my money. That doesn't stop me wanting to discuss it, as a long time Apple customer, amongst other Apple enthusiasts who feel the same way I do.
My point is that I just find it a frustrating business strategy. Apple wants to encourage more people to buy into their ecosystem AT THE EXACT SAME TIME as they seem to be doing as much as possible to make doing such a thing a wholly unattractive proposition. Several years ago, when friends and family asked me what hardware I would recommend, I would never have suggested a Windows PC/laptop - I'd have always said Apple charges the most but you get what you pay for and that they're worth the money. Now I'd say, you're paying well above the odds for dated hardware and a company that seems to be losing its way and seems more interested in gadgets and fashion accessories to appeal to the mass market, and has completely lost interest in producing computers.
If that's the direction Apple wants to go, great for them. Just it pisses me off to know that they are one of the biggest tech companies in the world and they could, quite easily, cater for more customers who want to see more desktops.. as others have said, it's not that they want new cutting edge breakthrough designs every year... just refreshes of the existing hardware with incremental improvements would be perfectly adequate. It narks me because I like macOS as a desktop. Most people who use it and have done for any amount of time prefer it to Windows. I'd rather macOS was my daily driver.
That's it. You can quote me again, and we can carry on this discussion ad-infinitum. It's up to you. Just make some more intelligent points than calling me a whiner as it just undermines any point you're trying to make.
And that's really the central point. I used to feel that Apple was trying to make the best Macs possible. It's just not possible to look at the anemic, aged-out, soldered-down things Apple is pushing lately without seeing that they're now back to the extract-and-kill strategy of, say, Sculley, rather than the excel-and-grow-the-market strategy of Jobs.
I'm a long time Windows user (since version 3) and I have finally had enough of Windows 10 and invested in Mac hardware. Windows 10 (for me) is a complete mess whilst MacOS feels like a breath of fresh air in comparison. I could go back to Windows 7 but I just can't be bothered installing it knowing Microsoft will probably nag me to death again about updating to Windows 10.
Despite my frustrations with Apple in recent years, I do still feel the same way about macOS. I know a lot of people think Apple have only ruined it since Snow Leopard, but I still think that (when compared to Windows 10) it's such a quick, slick, uncluttered, wonderful user experience!
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Could not agree more with the OP. Ancien user of macs since 1992, huge fan on jobs era, actually leaving macs for PC: win10 pro and Linux. For my work (lawyer) a pC under linux is the perfect choice because it's almost unbreakable+ LEGAL solution + I can virtualize windows and dragon naturally speaking pro on win under virtualbox, and for my hobbies (home studio) 1 PC under WIN10 with reaper etc and another one for Linux ubuntu studio
with harrison mixbus ardour and a lot of pros apps for video for some bucks ! Linux is a nice OS now.I'm sorry but SIRI is simply unusable for me as I have dragon pro since my PHD (2008) and dragon pro (only on windows) is since the beginning more than an "assistant" makin jokes on a smartphone ! you can dictate a full thesis not only a word on facebook...
I'm not interested anymore by macs as they are so expensive... for details (oled bar with emotes, can apple really think we can WORK with an oled bar with emojis ??? really ? no more magsafe everything fixed with glue). And no new MP in sight for music. New MBP are a pain on professional situation: no more magsafe, only 1 port left no usb port nothing. Where could I connect an USB key a printer an external keyboard a screen ? And when i'm on train or bus i cannot take a full pack of dongles!
No more ipads no more iphones for me...few years ago (everything changed with the death of SJ) I had almost all apple's products from LP9 to mainstage classic ipod ipad iphones aperture MBP Imac and so on.. Things changes. I switched and I wont come back. I won't pay 2000 euros for a macbook no pro.. for a price of ONE (pseudo mac ^^) I can have 2 HPZ ! ASA El Capitan is no more supported my 2 old macs coming from jobs era will be on Linux too.
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Tubular...
I'm afraid you are preaching to an increasing choir. Apple is losing the plot, quickly!
I've followed along a similar path as you. Jobs always viewed his MacBook baby as HIS best take on a computer design. You flip open a protective lid that doubles as monitor, revealing a keyboard that comes alive when the lid is opened. Apple really created the lappie market. MacBooks WERE a Swiss Army knife: practical, utilitarian, get the job done. Feature-filled!
As soon as the mid 2012 do-it-all MacBook pros were announced as DOA (no SuperDrive, removal of Ethernet, power, ThunderBolt, twin USB-2 ports, SDR card reader, HEADPHONE jack---I ordered one asap. Apple was going all-out to destroy a vibrant product line. They've succeeded.
Now we are seeing Jonathan Ivy for what he is: a minimalist. That's okay, but how about heading to a monastery Sir Jonathan? Reinstall the headphone jack on all future iterations of the iPhone---your kids will love you for this pragmatic touch. Admit your design mistakes and try reintroducing a Do-It-All MacBook.
The current line of MacBooks is great if you happen to live in Silicon Valley. They are a thoroughbred racehorse when all you wish to do is go for an afternoon ride. The rest of the world still actually has a demand FOR a SuperDrive. Is it not comical that LinkSys ships its router with a DVD disk that not many computers can read/write anymore? You are in a foreign country where the local music is still based on the buying and selling of DVDs. Anathema to Ivy. A horror to have something so artys-fartsy, it is useless.
We've all seen parodies of Swiss Army knives: lawnmowers attached to a lowly pocket knife. The loaded red Swiss Army knives with a saw blade, scissors, magnifying lense, tweezers, trampolines, etc. Swiss Army knives in the mid-range were its biggest sellers and most pragmatic. A stout can opener that doubled as a screwdriver. Ivy will have to get tossed prior to this reinvention of the computer at Apple and other places. Pragmatism is NOT in his DNA. Jobs isn't around and this shows. Sad to state, but it was inevitable.
If the Swiss Army knife is minimized down to having NO BLADES, then I guess Jonathan Ivy would be thrilled. He has managed to collapse several vibrant MacBook product (Air/MacBook Pro, etc) to CONVERGENCE. Reductionism as the new religion.
Apple/Ivy drank the Kool-Aid and went whole-hog into the minimalist approach. Like an anorexic model on the runway---who cares? Apple is kicking itself out of the pragmatic computer market.
I, too, recently bought a close-out special on an Acer Windows box running 8.1 My first Windows box in many years! The tiles are pretty nifty and since it is pre-Windows 10--it runs very sweet. This was a Costco deal that used to sell for $500. The Costco manager marked it down to $190. I was thrilled---still am. Who would've thunk that MicroSoft would become the underdog battling a bloated Apple intent on destroying their own products?
Lotsa room for internal bay expansion by installing various cards. Snappy performance and 1TB HD. I can swap out monitors and keyboards.
I also became a fan of Nokia Lumia 929/930 Icon running 8.1 One can buy a serviceable cell phone that operates internationally for about $200USD on eBay. Losing a $1k USD iPhone would impact anyone. Losing a $200 Nokia is not the end of the world. Only iPhone and Lumias handle languages well---the Android and language swapping out required a rooting and a good chance at bricking your phone. The Android OS is a mess.
TechAltar and others have noticed as you have mentioned that Microsoft--once they discharged Ballmer--is now lean and mean and KNOW they have to innovate in order to survive. Apple/Ivy/Cook are getting too fat and sassy. Their idea of design innovation is to REMOVE features that computer users use daily? Their day in the sun has arrived---and now their design religion is eclipsing.
With the Nokia Lumia and pretty much all Lumia phones facing extinction, will Microsoft be coming out with a Surface phone? Apple is abandoning the market in their pursuit of austere, do-nada products soon to be nicknamed "The DONGLE YEARS."
Just to add balance - I too have been a Windows user since 3.0 and have had ever iteration since. For me W10 is Microsofts best ever OS (to date) and although I own a Mac I can quite happily invest in either.
Perhaps you can tell us in detail what is wrong with W10?
W10 is really nice in that it doesn't ask for a password every time you need to scratch an itch.
The search function kills Spotlight, and Cortana feeds Siri to the Swarm.
Making default settings is more of a pain than on a Mac. Instead of System Prefs we have Control Panel, settings, and a dozen or more applets that, once you figure out the name needed, pop up and let you do what you want to do, maybe, but use obscure language to tell you their function. What IS a charm bar?
You have to learn it, and once learned it's not so bad, but it would not have killed Microsoft to neaten the mess up a little bit.
Formatting is weird because there's several places to do it, but only one of them works for USB sticks.
Backup is also odd with Win7 and 10 cloning Apps both present. Still haven't figured how to make a bootable clone to an external drive, but I've heard Lenovo may be at fault for that.
All in all, some better, some worse. There's a learning curve, but those can be fun; especially if the result is pretty and fast.
The search function kills Spotlight, and Cortana feeds Siri to the Swarm.
Making default settings is more of a pain than on a Mac. Instead of System Prefs we have Control Panel, settings, and a dozen or more applets that, once you figure out the name needed, pop up and let you do what you want to do, maybe, but use obscure language to tell you their function. What IS a charm bar?
You have to learn it, and once learned it's not so bad, but it would not have killed Microsoft to neaten the mess up a little bit.
Formatting is weird because there's several places to do it, but only one of them works for USB sticks.
Backup is also odd with Win7 and 10 cloning Apps both present. Still haven't figured how to make a bootable clone to an external drive, but I've heard Lenovo may be at fault for that.
All in all, some better, some worse. There's a learning curve, but those can be fun; especially if the result is pretty and fast.
For me the issues are:
1. Constant forced updates and reboots which can take several minutes. I know they can be reduced with group policy or registry edit but it's ridiculous to have to do that. Coupled with this is the fact it automatically downloads 4gb plus of updates unasked. I have seen my own downloads slow down because of this not to mention the disk space it takes. If you delete the download it just goes ahead and does it again.
2. The privacy settings that are scattered everywhere.
3. Live tiles. Never seen anything on any of them that was useful but they take up resources that you can't get back.
4. Start menu is atrocious (compared to Windows 7). I know you can use classic shell etc but why should you have to.
5. Tablet mode. Worst implementation ever.
6. Notifications are intrusive and stupid. I double click to play something in vlc and I get a big notification when it's finished. What's the point.
7. Settings over control panel.
8. Cortana search. You type in word for example and instead of launching word it goes to the internet to find things about word. Give me Siri any day.
9. I loaded up Firefox and a pop up appeared telling me how edge is better. I ignore it and next time it does it again, and again etc. Had to hunt around to find yet another setting to turn off.
Overall I find w10 annoying. It tries to be helpful but i find it intrusive and the amount of disk space and resources it wastes with these things is ridiculous.
you have some utilitaries free of charge for that it's not a pain and if you think apple is not collecting your data too you re wrong and naive thats why for my work I only use open source software and services: no more apple windows yahoo and google stuff for my work. all gafam collects personal data even when we use our smartphones. people are afraid by win10 but as soon as they wake up they take a look at their facebook account, i's so ridiculous.
everyone knows how to block pbs with win10 but noone but advanced users knows how to block similar process on mac os X
with last versions of win10 you can stop automatic updates (win10 is getting better and better as i'm using windows insider programm mode fast to try it)
it's easier to control win10 than mac os X sierra
for the gui you have utilitaries too free of charge and you can have a win7 look if you need it
everyone knows how to block pbs with win10 but noone but advanced users knows how to block similar process on mac os X
with last versions of win10 you can stop automatic updates (win10 is getting better and better as i'm using windows insider programm mode fast to try it)
it's easier to control win10 than mac os X sierra
for the gui you have utilitaries too free of charge and you can have a win7 look if you need it
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I know all the companies collect data but if you look at w10 there are too many settings in too many places.
I also know that nearly all my issues can be sorted with utilities but why should I have to. I want a clean interface which for me and a lot others was w7.
For me, coming to macOS fresh, I see a nice uniform uncluttered workspace.
that's not the point
I prefer UNIX but apple doesn t want to sell nice macs anymore
so I had to switch again
a computer is not a toy for me but a tool
as i cannot work with an ipad, as new macbook pros are not pro tools and expensive as apple killed mac pros and mac minis i switched
macs are not even usable for my home studio. LPX is one of the greatest daws ever but how can i use virtual instruments with a bloody macbook pro max 16GO ? for 3000euros ???? what ? for 1000 euros max i can have a HPZ pro, evolutive... For 3000 euros I can buy 3 big computers, for my pro and personal use. I'm not blind. I see what I see and what i see since Jobs death is a lot of mistakes made by the new team.
Actually leaving apple for win10 and linux (and android) and it works GREAT for 1/4 of the price.
apple should sell an Icar, thin, lite, but without wheels and engine, starting at 10K euros and with dongles everywhere; And if we buy 10 of them ipod nano offered.
for my work i cannot use a hackintosh but i must admit it is the only/last way for mac users and lovers. if apple does not kill hack and pro apps as final cut and logic with a complete switch from Intel to ARM processors...
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I don't even mind Sierra that much really. At least every update to OSX is an evolutionary update with no significant crazy changes.
And yet I take a load of grief on the front pages when I post such things, saying that basically I'm a dinosaur and that Apple doesn't need to cater to people like us and we should all be buying iPads, and writing off the desktop.
I just can't accept that I'm wrong. Apples neglect of their desktop lineup is so short sighted, and such a snub to loyal (and future!!) customers that I can't understand it. My Mac Mini (spec below) is starting to feel like a bit of a dinosaur performance wise and yet it not only retails for £1300 here in the UK (with the i7 / 16GB RAM option) and is the same spec to buy today as it was 2 years ago! 2 years!! £1300!! No other company would get away with this, but because of how Apple are coy with technical details on their systems, and because they've basically become this "brand" that people aspire to own, they're able to get away with just sitting on their backsides.
It's infuriating beyond words. I still love macOS and I want a decent, current system to put it on. Yes I know Hackintosh is an option (and indeed I built one very recently) but would rather just have something that works trouble free.
And yet I take a load of grief on the front pages when I post such things, saying that basically I'm a dinosaur and that Apple doesn't need to cater to people like us and we should all be buying iPads, and writing off the desktop.
I just can't accept that I'm wrong. Apples neglect of their desktop lineup is so short sighted, and such a snub to loyal (and future!!) customers that I can't understand it. My Mac Mini (spec below) is starting to feel like a bit of a dinosaur performance wise and yet it not only retails for £1300 here in the UK (with the i7 / 16GB RAM option) and is the same spec to buy today as it was 2 years ago! 2 years!! £1300!! No other company would get away with this, but because of how Apple are coy with technical details on their systems, and because they've basically become this "brand" that people aspire to own, they're able to get away with just sitting on their backsides.
It's infuriating beyond words. I still love macOS and I want a decent, current system to put it on. Yes I know Hackintosh is an option (and indeed I built one very recently) but would rather just have something that works trouble free.
many good points!?:How do you manage the ColorSync problems in Windows? It used to be a mess syncing Devices correcly (photo,video and printing business profiles)
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Really ? I've just bought a Mac mini 2012 with Yosemite and it hasn't prompted me once yet to upgrade.
TBH nearly everything you have listed here can be user defined. The whole idea behind this concept is that you can tailor the OS to your specific requirements. It sounds like you have just gone with the stock OS and not altered the settings to make the OS look and behave how you want it too. E.g. you don't need to have live tiles if you don't want them. You can create a bespoke start menu that's just to your liking. You don't need Classic Shell simply a bit of time fine tuning the settings etc. and you would have been one happy user.
Before I even downloaded W10 I did a bit of reading on various forums about how to fine tune the system for personal preference. When I did download the OS I then spent around 30 minutes turning things off switching things on etc. I now have a system that's probably unique to me.
It sounds very much like you have failed to read the instructions and are then blaming the product for your failings.
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Last time I checked Yosemite wasn't a iOS?
I've used every windows version since 3.1 (and I include vista in that) and I have never had to spend time turning off features that I didn't want in the first place. Where are these instructions I've supposed to have read ?
All I did was point out why w10 is not for me. If it works for you then well done.
Correct Yosemite is not iOS but then this is a discussion of moving from windows to Mac so I didn't notice that the other poster had put iOS.
Hence Apple's long dedication to AppleScript?
No, the take it as we make it, or shove it attitude at Apple is a more recent development, not baked into the Macintosh design strategy.
Yes but the point I was making and you don't appear to have taken on board is that with very little effort you could have your Windows 10 OS exactly as you want it not the other way round. Most unbiased industry pundits will now readily admit that W10 is every bit as good as MacOS and in some ways is better.
Don't forget a good workman never blames his tools.