See your point but I just can't envisage this happening. The media hype that you mention would increase tenfold and every Tom, Dick and Harry would want to send their handset back as soon as it lost one bar of signal. The cost incurred would be huge, even if it turns out that they should legitimately front the cost of terminally defunct handsets. Let's hope they can fix any issue with firmware updates.
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See your point but I just can't envisage this happening. The media hype that you mention would increase tenfold and every Tom, Dick and Harry would want to send their handset back as soon as it lost one bar of signal. The cost incurred would be huge, even if it turns out that they should legitimately front the cost of terminally defunct handsets. Let's hope they can fix any issue with firmware updates.
Simple, antenna changes impedance rapidly other sensors read ok, change bar signal readout... More Bars, More places. Give the whiners a free bumper or just take the damn thing back and stop posting... its a phone
Aren't recalls more likely in reaction to a safety issue? Children's toys, contaminated food, car safety issues (i.e. Toyota as mentioned already). If this is a hw issue resolved in a future revision of the design, Apple would likely instruct the support reps to replace affected units as needed, as requested by the customer.
I was at the Apple store this morning and tried it on a few of the phones on display. I could make each of them go from five bars down to one, but only one of them went into the "Searching..." mode. Nonetheless, it's pretty clear there is something going on. Whether or not they can fix it with firmware remains to be seen, but I have confidence they'll make it right somehow. They aren't stupid and there is far too much riding on it succeeding.
Meanwhile, I can hardly wait to get mine!
Meanwhile, I can hardly wait to get mine!
Why would they recall something that there's no physical/hardware fix for yet?
What do you expect them to do after recall? Give you another brand new iPhone 4 that is exactly the same and has the same external antennas? LOL
What do you expect them to do after recall? Give you another brand new iPhone 4 that is exactly the same and has the same external antennas? LOL
I don't really agree about the "not everyone's iPhone is having issues." Everything I am seeing is everyone's iPhone IS affected but the reality, before everyone goes nuts, is that if you use the phone normally without thinking about hand placement etc. the problem seldom comes up or when it does you don't notice the slow down, or it rarely drops the call. Now if you know "how" to hold it to make the phone lose bars and slow data, and if you run an app like Speedtest.net, I think I could make every iPhone 4 in the world show a slowdown... but knowing how to make it misbehave and saying it causes trouble in normal usage are two different things.
OP has no clue what he is talking about. There is no way they will do a "full reall" because I, like many others, cannot replicate the problem. So there may have been bad batches but it is isolated.
it affects all units, its a design flaw not a bug, just because you're not experiencing it doesn't mean your phone isn't affected, just means in your local area it isn't, when you go abroad or go to a low reception area or somewhere else you are still susceptible to this issue. you either have them all working in your house or all affected
I'm going to design a case that has a pull out antena
What is funny is that every since internal antennas became the norm (cira 1997) there has ALWAYS been an issue with covering the antenna and attenuating the signal. This applies to Razrs, iPhones, blackberries etc.
The thing is that the baseband firmware is written such that the bars don't "show" you the actual signal variance in dB.
What makes the biggest difference if the signal is being attenuated is whether you are on 850 or a 1900-2100 band.
If you are in an area of mostly 850 you won't have as big of a problem as 1900, which is more sensitive to physical things getting in the way.
This is why there is a Tmo poster complaining, Tmo is on 1900 and I remember when I had Tmo and having an internal antenna was a problem in medium signal areas if you held the phone to your ear vs. using a headset. If you bought an internal antenna phone you were guaranteed a call drop vs. phones with an extendable antanna.
Likewise, if you are ATT 1900 you'll probably have slight attenuation that is normally not shown to you despite it happening and the baseband firmware adjusting to compensate. The baseband has to ramp up antenna power when you hold it, and the iPhone 4 is probably not doing this quickly enough.
Again, this applies to all phones with internal antennas, not just the iPhone. My guess is that they didn't quite get the baseband firmware tweaked to amp up the power fast enough when the antenna is covered since a major design goal of the iPhone 4 was to conserve battery as much as possible.
On Monday, 4.0.1 will be released and everyone except a very vocal minority of people, many blessed with poor videography skills and YouTube accounts. An even smaller minority will return their phones before the software is updated and move on with their lives. Another minority will troll engadget, gizmodo and macrumors (among others) for the next year about this solved issue.
The majority will sit back and enjoy an greatly improved iPhone experience.
Simple, antenna changes impedance rapidly other sensors read ok, change bar signal readout... More Bars, More places. Give the whiners a free bumper or just take the damn thing back and stop posting... its a phone
Not if you can't make calls on it.
Schematics, white paper, credentials, peer reviewed journal article, apple employee I.D. or it didn't happen.
I am 100% fanboy. I had to have the iP4. To me it is perfect. If it drops a call, well then I didn't really need to make that call anyway. If I can't load the app that lets me see what movies are playing, well I didn't need to see a movie anyway.
Seriously though my iP4 seems to be just fine. No issues that I have noticed.
My Mom got her's and she drops every other call, and my brother's phone always causes him to hang up with his cheek with the proximity sensor malfunctioning.
Seriously though my iP4 seems to be just fine. No issues that I have noticed.
My Mom got her's and she drops every other call, and my brother's phone always causes him to hang up with his cheek with the proximity sensor malfunctioning.
My phone works fine
As does mine. If you don't like yours take it back. You're delusional if you think that Apple is going to recall these and to those that say 'all iPhone 4s are affected:' so, you have personally tested ALL the phones sold?
Before forums, when you were ill-informed (I'm trying to be nice here), no one knew if, now with forums the whole world knows in an instant!
No recall.
It's guaranteed to be a software fix. There's too much evidence to point to an issue that isn't primarily a hardware flaw.
It's guaranteed to be a software fix. There's too much evidence to point to an issue that isn't primarily a hardware flaw.
Found this interesting"what's weird is that it was doing it (dropping) before"
He couldn't quite make it drop bars until he really worked at it.
there is aways going to be 1-3% defect rate in consumer electronics.
With something so hyped that percentage will be very vocal. The problem is not AS bad as some are making it out to be.
3% of 600,000 is 18,000 phones with issues. 18,000 people are pissed off.
With something so hyped that percentage will be very vocal. The problem is not AS bad as some are making it out to be.
3% of 600,000 is 18,000 phones with issues. 18,000 people are pissed off.
I just googled "apple recall iphone 4" and there are deleted threads that were posted on the Apple forums 2 hours ago that still show up.
I have reason to believe something major is going to happen.LOL
gosh
I have reason to believe something major is going to happen.LOL
gosh
I can replicate the reception issue if I hold my finger over the antenna for a few minutes. Thing is I use a bumper and I'm right handed so I don't ever hold the phone in that position and there are probably millions in the same boat. Yes there may be a reception issue under certain circumstances but that is the case with any phone. I don't see this as a big enough issue for a recall. Apple will change the design slighty and then offer those a replacement that want one. I would bet that the majority won't need a replacement as they dont natuarally cause the reception issue with the way they hold the phone.
They definitely don't want to give an easy excuse to the 1+ million people to rush the genius bars to do swaps. So IF they fix the problem in the future, they'll do so quietly.
it'll be up to you to find out about the fix and then go to the genius bar to demand an exchange. the hardcores who read these forums may do that, but the great majority of the marks out there won't.
it'll be up to you to find out about the fix and then go to the genius bar to demand an exchange. the hardcores who read these forums may do that, but the great majority of the marks out there won't.