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I have read a few feature lists of Sierra now. Maybe I am missing something, but the feature list doesn't seem to offer me much.

* I don't have an iOS device, so that rules out 75% of the new macOS features.
* I don't have disk space issues.
* I don't use Photos, I use Lightroom. (couldn't they have just updated Photos app?)
* I don't use messages. (couldn't they have just updated Messages app?)
* I don't use iTunes. (couldn't they have just updated iTunes app?)
* I don't talk to my computer, unless I am swearing at it.

Sounds like a troll, but I am generally always an early adopter, but I find nothing compelling in the feature lists I am seeing....

edit: seems @robertosh beat me to it for the most part... and he has an iPhone.

Love the "...swearing at it" comment. Been there... Will probably be there again... :)
 
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It's been a busy day of macOS Sierra news following the public launch, so we've put together a quick rundown of all of our coverage to make it easy for everyone to find everything all in one place.

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- Apple Releases macOS Sierra With Siri, Apple Pay, Apple Watch Unlock, Universal Clipboard, and More

Feature Highlights and How Tos

- macOS Sierra: How to Use Apple Pay on the Web
- macOS Sierra: Save Disk Space With the New 'Optimize Storage' Option
- macOS Sierra and iOS 10: Universal Clipboard for Cross Device Copy/Paste
- macOS Sierra: Photos Gains 'Memories' and Messages Adds Rich Links, Tapback, and Large Emoji
- macOS Sierra: Picture in Picture Mode for Safari and iTunes Videos
- macOS Sierra: How to Unlock Your Mac With Your Apple Watch
- macOS Sierra: Apps Gain Safari-Style Tabs
- macOS Sierra: iCloud Drive Syncs Desktop Files and Documents Across Devices

Other Sierra-Related News

- Tweetbot for Mac Updated With Support for macOS Sierra and Extended Tweets
- iWork Apps for macOS Sierra Updated With Real-Time Collaboration
- Safari 10 Now Available for OS X El Capitan and OS X Yosemite
- macOS Server Updated for Sierra With New Setup Assistant Options and More
- macOS Sierra Addresses Dropbox Security Concerns by Asking for Accessibility User Permission

For more on macOS Sierra, make sure to check out our dedicated roundup and visit our macOS Sierra forum to discuss all of the new features and changes.

Article Link: Recap: macOS Sierra Launch Day
 
My update went smoothly last night. About 20 minutes to download, another 20 to install. I have an Apple Watch and eventually got it to unlock my MBP '15. I completed the several steps and couldn't get it to work. But I think you have to log out a couple of times and possibly reboot and then you can unlock with the watch.
 
macOS Sierra very slow downloading. I started the upgrade last night and it still has over 11 hours to go. I have a 200 Gbit download for my internet service. Has anybody else had this problem?
 
Wait for a day or two before the return to Yosimite. Sierra is doing so much in the background. And measur in two days again....

I love people who lose their minds over this fully aware it does this on a new install/OS update, and the people who go bat chit over the iOS battery drain that happens EVERY TIME for the first 48 hours.
 
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macOS Sierra very slow downloading. I started the upgrade last night and it still has over 11 hours to go. I have a 200 Gbit download for my internet service. Has anybody else had this problem?

Mine took about an hour and my Internet is 15mb so it sounds like something is definitely wrong. If you've got a full TimeMachine backup of your system you could roll the dice and power your system off and then on again. I've done this in the past with upgrades that are "stuck" and have had no issues but there is the risk that you would need to restore your system from your backup. Sorry that I don't have better advice.

EDIT: I believe that I misread your post. I initially thought you were stuck at the startup screen, not the download screen. Pausing and restarting the download, as others have suggested, might help.
 
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macOS Sierra very slow downloading. I started the upgrade last night and it still has over 11 hours to go. I have a 200 Gbit download for my internet service. Has anybody else had this problem?
I've read others mention to pause the download, and then resume. That has been speeding up the process.
 
I love people who lose their minds over this fully aware it does this on a new install/OS update, and the people who go bat chit over the iOS battery drain that happens EVERY TIME for the first 48 hours.

Yup. Sadly, many of us seem to have been born without the patience gene. :)
 
Really disappointed with this release, I feel that both mac software and hardware are being abandoned.

Sierra isn't all that bad. It's performing really well for me but it just doesn't seem that innovative.The bigger problem is that Apple hasn't released a desktop or pro model laptop for quite some time now and the one's they do offer are over priced. Couple that with the company running tablet commercials where they think it can replace laptops and it's easy to arrive at the conclusion that yes, Apple has completely neglected the mac. We're the fools though; we wait years for products that never come - and when they do come, it's clearly too late.
 
Apple serves the customers which in turn serves the shareholders.

Here's a crazy thought. Apple has ALWAYS been lauded for (and by the detractors, vilified) for having a tightly knit connection between hardware AND software. Some call it a monopoly, others call it the crafting the best user experience by controlling both. Being more like Microsoft (or really Google/Android) is actually about severing the tight connection and serving multiple hardware devices and platforms. So to truly enjoy the benefits of Apple's vision for an enhanced OS each cycle, you sometimes need to step up and off older systems.

Regarding the your 24 months cycle? I agree with some portables (smartphones, yes) but I have typically gotten 5 - 6 years on my Apple Laptops (more in some cases) and 3 - 4 for my tablets. Desktops have typically been 4 -5 years, so I guess I'm not typical. My Windows hardware has typically lasted 2 - 3 years, Chrome stuff less.

You are right, once you are in, YOU'RE IN, and Apple is like a gang, they will ceremonially "beat you out" when you want to leave. That said, gang members have known the rules (at least since Jobs return in 1997 when he closed the gates) before they joined. Let's not pretend this is something new and Apple has hood winked us.

Thank you for not ending your post with "I miss Steve Jobs" like so many other's do here. He is the father of the closed eco system. I for one accept it and live with it. If you can't, move on and out, take the plunge. It's really not as hard as you think except for the arm punches...

Very much agree with what you are saying, it was always Steve`s dream to control the users environment, nor do I mean that in a negative way. I just feel it`s more a numbers game now. Steve was fanatical about the user experience this I feel we have lost in recent years, and the target audience has also changed significantly.

24 month cycle is little to do with Apple more usage, and the cost of downtime, with 1-2 days equaling the cost of a high tier rMBP. Still have an Early 15" MBP that is fully stock and runs as new on 10.6.8. As for the plunge it`s already done; from 100% Mac to less than 3% nor was this decision taken lightly, Apple`s focus has shifted as has ours...

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* Meanwhile Asianpork sits on the side of the road. His trusty 2008 MBP resting wearily on a wheelchair. Both watching the others in a rush to install the latest. This doesn't concern them because they know they can't take part in this endeavor. Asianpork, spits out a toothpick he's been chewing on for far too long, looks at the barely moving 2008 MBP, and grabs the handle of its wheelchair and pushes along. Walking down the side of the road. Staring at the horizon for a sign that a new savior MBP model will come.

They keep looking. Gently kicking up dust as the squeaky wheelchair trudges on. Both oblivious to the joys of all that is new. They only have each other and the side of the road*
 
For what it's worth. These are the steps that I take before upgrading my O/S. Might just be my OCD but my updates are typically trouble free. Here are the steps.

1. Go to the App Store and make sure that all updates are installed.
2. Go to the developers web sites for apps that I didn't purchase through the App Store and make sure that all updates are installed.
3. Next, I use a third party app, Onyx, to cleanup my system by running the automated cleanup tasks.

Should I have to do this? Probably not but I believe that this process might negate some "gotchas" that might hamper the upgrade process. I've got nothing to back this up other than my experience of relatively smooth upgrades.

Did I mention my OCD? And remember, free advice is worth exactly what you paid for it. Hope this helps. :)
 
Very much agree with what you are saying, it was always Steve`s dream to control the users environment, nor do I mean that in a negative way. I just feel it`s more a numbers game now. Steve was fanatical about the user experience this I feel we have lost in recent years, and the target audience has also changed significantly.

24 month cycle is little to do with Apple more usage, and the cost of downtime, with 1-2 days equaling the cost of a high tier rMBP. Still have an Early 15" MBP that is fully stock and runs as new on 10.6.8. As for the plunge it`s already done; from 100% Mac to less than 3% nor was this decision taken lightly, Apple`s focus has shifted as has ours...

Q-6
I always dread full changeovers from hardware to hardware. Nothing ever goes 100% so I feel you there...
 
The current Apple mobile Hardware list is too big, 5 laptops, 3 tablets, and 3 phones... I think that they have to think about it: the more models, the more difficult to update and to manufacture and expensive too.

Sierra isn't all that bad. It's performing really well for me but it just doesn't seem that innovative.The bigger problem is that Apple hasn't released a desktop or pro model laptop for quite some time now and the one's they do offer are over priced. Couple that with the company running tablet commercials where they think it can replace laptops and it's easy to arrive at the conclusion that yes, Apple has completely neglected the mac. We're the fools though; we wait years for products that never come - and when they do come, it's clearly too late.
I have read a few feature lists of Sierra now. Maybe I am missing something, but the feature list doesn't seem to offer me much.

* I don't have an iOS device, so that rules out 75% of the new macOS features.
* I don't have disk space issues.
* I don't use Photos, I use Lightroom. (couldn't they have just updated Photos app?)
* I don't use messages. (couldn't they have just updated Messages app?)
* I don't use iTunes. (couldn't they have just updated iTunes app?)
* I don't talk to my computer, unless I am swearing at it.

Sounds like a troll, but I am generally always an early adopter, but I find nothing compelling in the feature lists I am seeing....

edit: seems @robertosh beat me to it for the most part... and he has an iPhone.

Well I have an iPhone and a old mac, so i can't get continuity, handoff, airdrop... and some things that require bluetooth 4.0, so I'm almost in the same boat as you.
 
I use both, macOS and Win 10 (had developer version of macOS and Win 10 since they first emerged). macOS is 10000 x better than Windows 10. The problem right now is too many people trying to download macOS so servers are having a hard time for sure.

My download was slow but it completed in around couple of hours. My issues started after I made the USB stick from the download using Apple specified tool. It was slow to boot from the new USB3 sandisk, then the installer crashed and after restarting the install made it stuck again. All of that on a 1 yr old supported rMBP! That's what is crazy about this.

And Windows 10 reinstalled quite fast using the same USB3 drive on the same machine - Bootcamp installed and drivers updated - painless! Apple's QA has been going down for a while now and it's not getting better.
 
Download and update took around 45 mins in total. Sierra seems pretty snappy and is working well. There's virtually no discernible difference other than it being a little speedier, though.

Universal Clipboard will probably come in handy some day, Siri I'm not sure I'll ever use, and the iCloud storage features I definitely won't. Messages has been left behind iOS a long way in these latest updates, by the way.
 
Well, I get that CONSTANTLY on my iMac with El Capitan.... hate it to get even worse. I love Apple, but the Safari performance of late is really annoying (and that is with no plugins and 24 gigs of RAM...)

Using Safari. That's your problem right there!
 
Personally, I'm glad we aren't faced with a slew of new features. Stability, security and performance (in that order) is what I'm looking for. So far all seems well for me at least with no issues (as yet) that have affected me other than several mail plug-ins don't work until they are updated.
 
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