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Installed Sierra without issues on my 2010 Macbook. Works fine save for Safari. Apple RUINED Safari for me by taking away the ability to set a specific font size as we could prior to 10.0. Oh well, Chrome works great as does Firefox & Opera. Always preferred Safari till now. :(
 
I can sympathise with this. If there are hardware reasons, then fair enough, but otherwise why prohibit the installation - that just discourages high-end purchases and means that more machines will be running very old versions of the OS.
The only really good reason I can think of is not wanting to expend resources on testing too many configurations.
As someone else says, there will probably be a hack that enables the upgrade even if it isn't officially
supported.

Mostly it forces obsolesce; I can see Apple`s aspect not needing to dedicating resources to keep an ever diminishing base of ageing hardware up to date with OS updates. It would also force Apple to be more like Microsoft needing to be more mindful of hardware limitations, optimising OS X accordingly, with the current 12 month cycle already putting Apple under strain to deliver.

This all equally frustrates the end user ever more given the diminishing returns technology advancements, where new hardware may not bring any tangible benefit outside the aesthetic. Personally I only expect 24 months, of use from portables then I swap out the system, desktops being more long living due to their nature (not Apple), equally my hardware is monetised paying for itself rapidly.

Sadly Apple these days solely serves Apple (APPL) with the customer coming a poor second, with the gates of the "walled garden" closing evermore, as once the customer is fully embedded into Apple`s ecosystem it`s becomes far harder for them to make a change to anything different. In many respects Apple is building a monopoly, nor is it a bad system for many, equally one that is not capable of serving all, and after all Apple has to make a $...


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AWESOME... Its not available for install on my Mac, so officially my Macbook Pro from Mid 2009 with new solid state HD and 8GB of ram is not-good enough.... So no more updates for me I guess. What a crock of SHIZZ
Don't worry....most of this new OS are in the interest of Apple Inc...using apple pay to buy junk, plus EMOJI for teens and other unimportant stuff....interaction between the watch they want you to buy and the mac....no improvements in basic functions such as the ability to delete anything with a right click...no improvements in Apple mail...etc...
 
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I have a MacBook Pro 17" from Mid 2009 with BTO 16GB RAM and upgraded 512GB SSD which FLIES with El Capitan. It's annoying that Apple arbitrarily cut off all the mid-2009 notebooks with Sierra.

I wonder if you can get the installer to run on it if you can download it from another system?
 
What a PoS! Downloaded the Install.app from AppStore, made a USB3 install disk using the createinstallmedia tool. Booted into 2015 rMBP (took way longer than Windows 10 does on the same machine btw), cleared all existing partitions and started the installation - after a long time in "7 minutes remaining" the installer just quit without me doing anything - crashed I think. Restarted the install and now it is stuck at "4 minutes remaining" for the past 20 min - Installer logs don't show much interesting (beyond a typo!) - just goes to show how much Apple QA cares. Wow, back to Windows 10.
 
everything is slow as crap now on my desktop after updating. The complete opposite from my laptop...

Safari is giving me the freaking wheel every other second and the refresh rate is rather UN-SNAPY .... UGH!


In cases like that I always run Disk Warrior. Your Mac's directories are probably damaged and /or in need of being optimized.
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What a PoS! Downloaded the Install.app from AppStore, made a USB3 install disk using the createinstallmedia tool. Booted into 2015 rMBP (took way longer than Windows 10 does on the same machine btw), cleared all existing partitions and started the installation - after a long time in "7 minutes remaining" the installer just quit without me doing anything - crashed I think. Restarted the install and now it is stuck at "4 minutes remaining" for the past 20 min - Installer logs don't show much interesting (beyond a typo!) - just goes to show how much Apple QA cares. Wow, back to Windows 10.

I use both, macOS and Win 10 (had developer version of macOS and Win 10 since they first emerged). macOS is 10000 x better than Windows 10. The problem right now is too many people trying to download macOS so servers are having a hard time for sure.
 
Hmm, seems that youtube no longer loads in Safari after updating. Anyone has any solutions on how to resolve this?

Never mind - found the problem. Disabled Clicktoflash and Clicktoplugin and the issue resolved itself.
 
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Any windows laptop can run the latest Windows version. So why can't a mac laptop/desktop?

Artificially making products obsolete is Apple's new mantra.

I'd recommend using a Linux distro if you want to breathe fresh life into an old laptop/desktop.

The issue is Windows machines chit the bed rather quickly. They get the amber light of doom and cease to work. PC companies know this and know people will have to keep coming back to the well for another machine. Mac's for the most part run a very, very long time. My parents have a 2007 iMac that runs like new. Apple's probably aware of this and realize people will never buy a newer mac unless they have a cut off point on the OS.
 
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App store is not showing Sierra but I have Beta GM installed, so maybe no changes. It is showing updates for Pages, Numbers and Keynote but I get "Error 503" when I try to update. Not enough bandwidth on their servers I would guess. They should subcontract to HP.
 
Anyone else getting an extremely slow download of sierra from the app store?
Yes. The download speed is pitiful.

I started the macOS Sierra download from the app store last night around 10PM and it has only managed to download roughly half by this AM. It is currently predicting over 20 more hours to complete the download.

FWIW I monitor the incoming and outgoing throughput on my AirPort Extreme. With zero other traffic last night, the incoming data was only happening in short bursts of a about a second followed by several seconds with no traffic at all. This was still the case when I checked first thing this AM. I've paused the download now and will start it back up this PM. Makes me wonder if Apple has the compute/network infrastructure to support these nearly simultaneous, massive roll outs of iOS, tvOS, watchOS and macOS?

---GetRealBro

p.s. Other network traffic was normal last night and still is this AM.
 
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My experience with Safari, last few releases, is that I must use Force Quit very often. ESPN, theverge are usual suspects, but those are working without a single problem in Chrome, Firefox, Opera.
 
I have some older machine.

Do not expect them to get up dates.

2007 imac 20"
2007 macook pro 17"

But lucky to have

2009 macbook 13"

This last one will run sierra.
So tomorrow will try the update, I have a full time machine backup just incase.

I look forward to playing with it.

My 2009 is maxed out with 8GB ram and 240GB SSD.
I am also ok with a fresh lean install.
 
One could release an OS update with features that don't work on a lot of moderately older models out there, then announce new models. Hypothetically speaking.
That's what makes this so bizarre. I could understand (not like, but understand) if new Macs were released so that the people being shut out of this update would have something to upgrade to. But they DON'T!! They're shrinking their user base, this is very strange.
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It would give me peace of mind if, by the end of October, they'd updated everything (made the MacRumors buyers guide all green) but from rumours it sounds like they're going to update like half of them.
This has been Apple's (troubling) track record the past several years. Let most of your product lineup expire, announce a keynote, people expect (or at least hope) for updates across the line, rumors point to maybe half that being true, then the keynote rolls around and they update one MAYBE two products. And if we're lucky we get a spec bump on a different line. The rest of the products then continue to rot, while most people are left wondering what just happened.

Maybe some people don't expect much from the world's wealthiest corporation, EVER. But I do.
 
AWESOME... Its not available for install on my Mac, so officially my Macbook Pro from Mid 2009 with new solid state HD and 8GB of ram is not-good enough.... So no more updates for me I guess. What a crock of SHIZZ
Same boat as you. I wouldn't mind it so much if they would re-introduce a 17" MB or MBP, but not much hope of that. Frankly, from what I've read, the features in Sierra or nice to haves but not really critical to for my use. Do I really need Siri, Apple Pay, automatic iCloud storage (which I have read about and it scares me to death). Is there anything I am not aware of that makes it worth going out and buying a smaller MBP?
 
Mostly it forces obsolesce; I can see Apple`s aspect not needing to dedicating resources to keep an ever diminishing base of ageing hardware up to date with OS updates. It would also force Apple to be more like Microsoft needing to be more mindful of hardware limitations, optimising OS X accordingly, with the current 12 month cycle already putting Apple under strain to deliver.

This all equally frustrates the end user ever more given the diminishing returns technology advancements, where new hardware may not bring any tangible benefit outside the aesthetic. Personally I only expect 24 months, of use from portables then I swap out the system, desktops being more long living due to their nature (not Apple), equally my hardware is monetised paying for itself rapidly.

Sadly Apple these days solely serves Apple (APPL) with the customer coming a poor second, with the gates of the "walled garden" closing evermore, as once the customer is fully embedded into Apple`s ecosystem it`s becomes far harder for them to make a change to anything different. In many respects Apple is building a monopoly, nor is it a bad system for many, equally one that is not capable of serving all, and after all Apple has to make a $...


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Apple serves the customers which in turn serves the shareholders.

Here's a crazy thought. Apple has ALWAYS been lauded for (and by the detractors, vilified) for having a tightly knit connection between hardware AND software. Some call it a monopoly, others call it the crafting the best user experience by controlling both. Being more like Microsoft (or really Google/Android) is actually about severing the tight connection and serving multiple hardware devices and platforms. So to truly enjoy the benefits of Apple's vision for an enhanced OS each cycle, you sometimes need to step up and off older systems.

Regarding the your 24 months cycle? I agree with some portables (smartphones, yes) but I have typically gotten 5 - 6 years on my Apple Laptops (more in some cases) and 3 - 4 for my tablets. Desktops have typically been 4 -5 years, so I guess I'm not typical. My Windows hardware has typically lasted 2 - 3 years, Chrome stuff less.

You are right, once you are in, YOU'RE IN, and Apple is like a gang, they will ceremonially "beat you out" when you want to leave. That said, gang members have known the rules (at least since Jobs return in 1997 when he closed the gates) before they joined. Let's not pretend this is something new and Apple has hood winked us.

Thank you for not ending your post with "I miss Steve Jobs" like so many other's do here. He is the father of the closed eco system. I for one accept it and live with it. If you can't, move on and out, take the plunge. It's really not as hard as you think except for the arm punches...
 
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Simple answer Apple has absolutely no compelling reason to optimise OS X to run on low level/older hardware. Microsoft on the other hand is compelled too, as their primary product is solely software, and must run on a myriad of hardware.

Two comparable systems W10 will run smoother, as to the likes or dislikes of the OS they are for the most part subjective. Microsoft has done an excellent job of optimising W10 to run on older and low performance systems, Apple on the other hand relies more on the performance of it`s hardware.

I currently am using two Core M systems on OS X & W10, although the Mac has more of everything the W10 system is generally more fluid and more reliable when pushed hard. In many respects the tables have turned with Apple`s OS becoming more bloated and Microsoft's more efficient.

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Microsoft has come along way the Windows is now a very stable, well designed operating system. Its mostly aesthetics now for what you choose. And Windows now knows how to crash elegantly and retain control of the system. When my Mac has a program crash it is reboot time. I have not rebooted a crashing Windows machine...in years. I prefer OSX, but credit where credit is due, Microsoft has done well.
 
Upgraded my 21.5" (late 2013) iMac, 27" (late 2013) iMac and my wife's 15" (late 2013) MacBook Pro to Sierra. No problems with the upgrade itself other than my slow Internet speed - I'm in a rural area. One program, ABBYY Finereader Pro hangs when I try to start it and the developer is aware of the problem (link). No issues with my Adobe CC versions of Illustrator, Photoshop and Lightroom and Microsoft Office 365 is working fine for those that are interested.

Initially, things seems a little sluggish but I suspect that a lot was going on behind the scenes after the update so I didn't do much evaluation until today. So far, I've got nothing to complain about. With the exception of Finereader everything seems to be running as fast if not faster than El Cap. No hiccups in browsing. My iMacs have spinners and the MacBook Pro has an OWC SSD.

For the records I did not do a clean install - I upgraded in place. Color my Happy!
 
I think that this is one of the weakest OS X releases:

  • Siri integration -> I don't use Siri, it works like s*** in Spain (like all another Apple services)
  • Auto unlocking w/ Apple Watch -> I don't have an Apple Watch
  • Apple Pay for web -> Why? I have Paypal.
  • Revamped Apple Music app -> Revamped? I think that there are only a few minor (and ugly) design changes. And it's available for El Capitan too.
  • New storage optimization -> This is good, but not a key feature.
  • New file system w/ native encryption -> I don't have sensible data for using encryption.
  • "Memories" tab in Photos -> This is a good feature to show in a Keynote, but apart from that...Not a key feature anyway.
  • Cross-device copy and paste -> Maybe I will use this feature one or two times in future. And I'm being very optimistic. Not a key feature.
Really disappointed with this release, I feel that both mac software and hardware are being abandoned.
 
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I have read a few feature lists of Sierra now. Maybe I am missing something, but the feature list doesn't seem to offer me much.

* I don't have an iOS device, so that rules out 75% of the new macOS features.
* I don't have disk space issues.
* I don't use Photos, I use Lightroom. (couldn't they have just updated Photos app?)
* I don't use messages. (couldn't they have just updated Messages app?)
* I don't use iTunes. (couldn't they have just updated iTunes app?)
* I don't talk to my computer, unless I am swearing at it.

Sounds like a troll, but I am generally always an early adopter, but I find nothing compelling in the feature lists I am seeing....

edit: seems @robertosh beat me to it for the most part... and he has an iPhone.
 
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