That's simply not accurate. The launch iPad was severely limited and got a lot of pushback from the market for being way too heavy and lacking virtually any software to make use of the size.
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Report: Apple May Stop Producing Vision Pro by the End of 2024
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Interesting -- not sure I remember it that way
Curious, do you have any links to that effect ... I'd have to dig back in
Certainly appreciate any corrections
Yeah, still don’t quite understand who this is really for.
So if price is not a factor, are you against VR headsets in general or just the way the Vision Pro works?
It’s less about me specifically and more about not falling for hype when there are obvious faults with a product, and pardon the pun, a product’s vision.
You can jab at me all you want, that’s fine, but it won’t change the fact that this was likely the largest miss of Tim Cook’s tenure as CEO.
If the glasses do get off the ground in a few years, it’ll be under new leadership and I strongly believe the most important thing is whether they have that technology working in labs right now with the roadmap internally to get it to production, even some far off date like 2029.
I don’t think they do, and I want to be wrong about that.
Here's a recent thread where people share their recollections: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-first-ipads.2426291/
I did the demo, agreed it was cool, but then proceeded to have motion sickness almost to the point of vomiting for the next hour. Wasn't planning on buying one, but was curious what it was like. I couldn't even look at a screen, tv, iPhone or otherwise, for the next two hours without my stomach turning.
I was at the Apple store a few days looking at watches, and curiously asked one of the employees how often they demo the AVP and she said one to two people per week, sometimes none. No one was looking at it or seemed curious, despite the store being pretty busy.
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While I appreciate those recollections, I'm just not sure data agrees
During the first 80 days, 3 million iPads were sold.
By the launch of the iPad 2, Apple had sold more than 15 million iPads.
This destroys the AVP in terms of market appeal, as shown in actual sales numbers
Keep in mind we are also talking 2010, when Apple was a dramatically smaller company with far less reach and appeal in the mainstream vs now
What is going on with Apple? So many strategic mistakes, innovation has halted, underwhelming and repetitive line ups, so many signs of things being off...
That's fair, albeit at a very different price point. I wasn't trying to equate iPad and AVP sales at all, just that the respective criticism sure feels similar to me.
There were a lot of people in the Apple community in 2010 who were very keen to tell everyone how correct their predictions were that the iPad would be and was a strategic disaster, too heavy and too useless. And I think for the generation 1 iPad they weren't exactly wrong. It was indeed all of the things they mentioned and all of the shortcomings identified were accurate.
It’s not my opinion it’s fact. The data says that people don’t want it. It cost a lot that’s true. But everything related Apple is not cheap and yet people still want it. The reality doesn’t lie. People don’t see value in Vision Pro.
Funny thing is that Tim Cook himself said once at the D conference that smart headset have to be light, unintrusive and fashionable. He also said that people who don’t wear glasses won’t wear anything on their head. You may argue that Vision Pro is not Google Glass. But the comparison is real. They shouldn’t never release this product in current form factor. But Apple rightly feels that market want some new thing from them. But this is not it, sorry.
Well, there's revenue.
Which is meaningless without mentioning profitability, or the lack thereof, which is never mentioned regarding the AVP.
Typical Apple move. Release the hardware that can do amazing things and let it die on the vine software-wise.
Like the latest M4 iPads.
Like the latest M4 iPads.
should've started with a cheap model then gradually add more expensive pro models.
give us a $1,000 headset and give it proper support and it will be a success. pro model could be for years down the line when there is a solid user base.
give us a $1,000 headset and give it proper support and it will be a success. pro model could be for years down the line when there is a solid user base.
Thing is, the first iPhone was a cool new product that was reasonably priced. The first iPad, again, was a very useful product with a very reasonable price. And so was the first watch; again, it was priced very well. Each of these products was better than anything else in the market at the time.
The AVP, on the other hand, was already competing with pretty popular headsets like the Quest 3, which is significantly cheaper and does the job just as well. The AVP is an overpriced, overcomplicated piece of hardware that was already launching into a niche market. In order to sell in large quantities, they should have made a far simpler and cheaper headset to compete with devices like the Quest 3 to try and at least get people hooked. Then, in the future, if it was selling well, they could try and go for the higher-end market.
The problem is that they went super high-end in a very niche market to start, and it flopped. Anyone with a brain cell should have seen this coming.
The AVP, on the other hand, was already competing with pretty popular headsets like the Quest 3, which is significantly cheaper and does the job just as well. The AVP is an overpriced, overcomplicated piece of hardware that was already launching into a niche market. In order to sell in large quantities, they should have made a far simpler and cheaper headset to compete with devices like the Quest 3 to try and at least get people hooked. Then, in the future, if it was selling well, they could try and go for the higher-end market.
The problem is that they went super high-end in a very niche market to start, and it flopped. Anyone with a brain cell should have seen this coming.
We have language for a reason. To communicate to each other. And for that reason words matter. Saying something is a “turd” in the English language at least communicates a specific view point that isn’t really open to much interpretation.
Not Having “value to you” is one thing. Defining it as a turd in the English language is objectively wrong. Especially as the forum we are on (tech enthusiasts?) would infer that something being a turd would mean it was a terrible device. If you are going to say that then qualify your statement.
Language matters… dont use common phrases if you have your own unique interpretation that no one else is privy to. It’s pointless.
Let's not forget that Tim rushed this out the door (ostensibly to pad his "legacy") while rumors swirled that Apple engineers begged him not to, because it wasn't ready.
Tim's certainly cemented his legacy, alright.
Tim's certainly cemented his legacy, alright.
They forgot the most important thing, developers.
they followed Windows Phones experience, great hardware, no software…….and the even made it worse by pricing themselves out of the market.
lots of users = dev interest , few users….well you get it.
they followed Windows Phones experience, great hardware, no software…….and the even made it worse by pricing themselves out of the market.
lots of users = dev interest , few users….well you get it.
Well, they have enough inventory for now is what the article is really saying. Its not like its going away yet. I've used a lot of VR headsets and the Vision Pro is the best one I've ever used, period. Its too bad its too expensive for most. It really is an amazing headset.
I'm not sure what will really do
The market has spoken in general and just increasing the market size won't change the percentage of uninterested
I guess just offload inventory?
Is that what you mean?