Report Claims 4.7-Inch iPhone 6 Will Feature 2,100 mAh Battery

[chrisbru]

Who are you people who want your phone to last 2-3 days? What's wrong with charging it while you sleep? When it comes to a device like the iPhone, thinner and lighter > multi-day use for the vast majority of users - because the vast majority of users already plug their phone in every night.

Sure, having mutli-day battery would come in handy on occasion - short vacations, camping, etc. - but they make battery packs for that. Until multi-day battery can be achieved in a small form factor, I'll stick to charging it at night.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Tell me every detail about all of your settings and I'll help you get that full day.

Thank you but I'm pretty knowledgable about being mobile device energy efficient. Nevertheless, the stock iPhone 5s couldn't deliver enough for my own uses so I went the battery case route, roughly doubling the battery. That does work but even that can sometimes get tight.

Problem solved? For me, yes. But how it's solved is by paying another company for another device with a battery into which I can insert an iPhone. This thickens the overall phone by adding more battery but also by involving walls of the case on walls of the iPhone.

The point would be that if Apple decided to take on this problem or opportunity, they could eliminate 2 useless walls (of the case and connection circuitry, buttons, etc), and squeeze the battery within that case into the new width & height of the 6. And everyone could benefit from such a move. Even the crowd who finds the existing battery just fine must occasionally find themselves in a spot where they are running out of juice and no readily available charging option. Even with double the stock battery (with the case) I find myself in that scenario from time to time.

IMO, for those who never need the added battery life, more battery in the 6 would have no negative effect. It would just be an extra benefit, like unused space in the on-board storage or whatever extra the A8 is capable of doing. More "good to have if I need it" than not have it at all because "thinner" was deemed more important.

 

[Carlanga]

And the iPhone would be still be 12mm thick and would weigh 170g if people like you were in charge.

nah, at the contrary… they are making bigger screens because that is what they think people want based on android devices that are selling, so it's not far fetched to have a bigger battery capacity over thinness as to eliminate one of the biggest complaint of people considering an iPhone.

 

[ImpostorOak]

Um yeah.. I meant with current battery tech. Of course when batteries can last days to weeks that is totally different. Still though, you'd charge it overnight (no, not every night); you'd just never run out of battery life.

I think you completely missed what he was trying to say You said:

Omg someone with intelligent thought for once. Whether you end the day with 1% or 90%, you're going to charge it overnight

If you end the day with 90%, that's only 10% of your battery missing, meaning if you used that much every day, your battery would last 10 days. "Why would you charge a 10 day battery every night?" is another way of saying "If you end the day at 90%, why on earth would you bother charging overnight?"

 

[chrisbru]

Thank you but I'm pretty knowledgable about being mobile device energy efficient. Nevertheless, the stock iPhone 5s couldn't deliver enough for my own uses so I went the battery case route, roughly doubling the battery. That does work but even that can sometimes get tight.

Problem solved? For me, yes. But how it's solved is by paying another company for another device with a battery into which I can insert an iPhone. This thickens the overall phone by adding more battery but also by involving walls of the case on walls of the iPhone.

The point would be that if Apple decided to take on this problem or opportunity, they could eliminate 2 useless walls (of the case and connection circuitry, buttons, etc, and squeeze the battery within that case into the new width & height of the 6. And everyone could benefit from such a move. Even the crowd who finds the existing battery just fine must occasionally find themselves in a spot where they are running out of juice and no readily available charging option. Even with double the stock battery (with the case) I find myself in that scenario from time to time.

IMO, for those who never need the added battery life, more battery in the 6 would have no negative effect. It would just be an extra benefit, like unused space in the on-board storage or whatever extra the A8 is capable of doing. More "good to have if I need it" than not have it at all because "thinner" was deemed more important.

No thank you - I choose not to use a case because I prefer the thin, light iPhone to something more bulky and heavy.

 

[Carlanga]

Tell me every detail about all of your settings and I'll help you get that full day.

yeah, only a newb would say this. LMAO no way an iPhone can last you a full day if you are actually using the device. Even android phones suffer from this when you are actively needing to use your phone constantly through the day. Until we see a smartphone w/ 4000 capacity that consumes as much as the phones of today then they those will last you a full day of moderate use.

 

[andromeda107]

You missed the point of design over form.

Evolution of technology does not mean thinner. That is only in the apple world.

Naturally devices get smaller over time, in case if apple they sacrifice functionality at the sake of thinness.

What exactly is wrong with a little thicker And longer battery life??? Does a few mm make the iPhone crap??

Frankly I think Ives is going to far with his obsession with thinness .

They weigh their options with great attention to detail. A bigger, thicker battery causes both weight, and thickness sacrifices (possibly heat too). They decided on a battery that lasts the vast majority of people, a full day, under normal usage conditions. If you guys can't understand that then I don't know what's wrong with you.

To address your question: "What exactly is wrong with a little thicker And longer battery life??? Does a few mm make the iPhone crap??"

It makes the device thicker, and weigh more, and possibly creates more heat, and no, a few mm doesn't make the iPhone crap, but does more battery % left when you go to sleep at night make the iPhone better? No, it's useless. The objective is to get the vast majority that full day battery life through normal usage.

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yeah, only a newb would say this. LMAO no way an iPhone can last you a full day if you are actually using the device. Even android phones suffer from this when you are actively needing to use your phone constantly through the day. Until we see a smartphone w/ 4000 capacity that consumes as much as the phones of today then they those will last you a full day of moderate use.

Yeah you got me, I'm a noob. Damn.

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I think you completely missed what he was trying to say You said:



If you end the day with 90%, that's only 10% of your battery missing, meaning if you used that much every day, your battery would last 10 days. "Why would you charge a 10 day battery every night?" is another way of saying "If you end the day at 90%, why on earth would you bother charging overnight?"

No. I'm talking about current tech. No one can use 10% battery in a day with any usage other than a few minutes (standby ect). Thus, if you didn't use it and ended up with 90%, you'd still charge your device because tomorrow you might actually use the device, and you'd definitely want it to be at maximum capacity.

 

[zipa]

Who are you people who want your phone to last 2-3 days? What's wrong with charging it while you sleep?

I'm spending most of my weekends during the open sea season off the electric grid with just a noisy and somewhat annoying petrol generator for power. I'd sure love to be able to not power up that bad boy just to charge my iDevices. The phone in particular is a crucial safety device when you are out on an island all by your self or with young kids.

Also I find that long treks or bike trips with some kind of an activity tracker enabled (especially if the screen is on for checking lap times etc.) eats through the battery at a rather quick pace.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

No thank you - I choose not to use a case because I prefer the thin, light iPhone to something more bulky and heavy.

I'm with you. That's also the point. I'd like to get rid of the "bulky & heavy" brought on with the case by Apple putting the extra battery part of that case inside the iPhone 6. As is, the case is useless shell walls, circuitry and added buttons plus "more battery". This new iPhone 6 will be wider and taller, creating the room for "more battery" inside.

If the 5s is not too bulky, then retaining that thinness for the 6 would create a LOT of space for more battery. But even if Apple (and some of us) really wants "thinner", the 6 could still thin a bit from the 5s AND retain the space for more battery.

Unfortunately, I speculate that Apple will chase "thinnest" instead of "thinner" shaving a lot of the thinner space that could have held more battery for esthetics. Personally, I think the iPhone 4 was plenty thin and the 5s is borderline "too thin" so thinner than the 5s has little appeal to me (though I respect that others may feel the 5s is too thick and thus need the 6 to be thinned).

 

[TallManNY]

Maybe, but it is likely to have a more energy-demanding (bigger) screen. Or not. None of us knows for sure.

I think the point is that while 2,100 is a bigger number that could mean a longer-lasting battery life, there was/is also opportunity in a wider and taller phone to put in an even bigger battery- like some competitors have demonstrated can be done in similarly sized phones- to strengthen the perception that longer battery life is on the way.

Personally, I'm suspicious… believing that Apple has chosen to once again go for maximizing thin over the utility gain of same thin with much more batter or a little thinner with much more battery. My guess is we're going to get the marketing spin combination of "thinnest iPhone ever" with "about the same battery life as the iPhone 5s".

What I'd love to hear instead is maybe nothing about "thinner" (I think the 4 was plenty thin enough myself) and something like "double the battery life of the 5s". Is double possible? I don't know. What I do know is that the phone is getting taller & wider and that creates a lot of space in which more battery could go. I know that third-party battery cases can add a little thickness to an iPhone and more than double the battery reserve. So I think if Apple decided it was important to significantly up the battery life, they could do it at or below the thinness (thickness?) of the iPhone 5s and probably get a double. Key words though are "Apple deciding it is important".

My skepticism is driven by the concept that "thin" has just about no unit cost for Apple vs. actually adding more battery. And Apple knows a lot of the primary fan base will passionately argue for "thin" against the practical utility of more battery life because that's the way Apple wants it to go. If there was a genuine demand for "thinner", there should be lots of people- even here- faulting iPhones 5s as being too thick. Try to find such posts anywhere here.

There is going to be plenty of room in that form factor to be thin and to fit in a 2,100 battery. Samsung GS5 has a 3,000 battery and isn't that much wider. And Smasung doesn't have Apple's ability to miniturize their forms. (Android phones were initially large simply because they couldn't make a phone that worked and lasted more than a few hours without the huge battery and that meant they had to be big phones.) A 2,100 battery is a 34% increase in size from the iPhone 5. Let's assume that "only" translates into 25% longer battery life because of the screen size you point out. That is still great. Let's say one typically are a power user and your phone dies in 12 hours of being out in use. Now you can make it 15 hours. That's going to be a nearly full day even for the power users.

If we get 30% more usage (because of efficiencies from the programming and the new smaller CPU), then I would say the battery life issue will be pretty close to licked.

 

[Millah]

This could be a sign that Apple is starting to take battery life more seriously. This is a 35% increase in battery capacity.

You would only need about 10-15% extra to power a bigger 4.7" screen. And the A8 is rumoured to be a 20nm chip... so we can see significant power reduction there.

Yup, here is hoping for a real increase in battery life

Starting? Are you kidding? Apple has ALWAYS taken battery life seriously, whether the trolls on the forum belittle them or not. Look at the engineering and battery life of the battery packs in the MacBook Pro/Air or the iPads and tell me Apple does not care about battery life.

The problem is, Apple has different priorities than many of the complainers on this forum. First and foremost, the biggest factor you people on here don't consider when you scream "bigger battery" is the impact it has on the environment. If we know anything about Tim Cook and Apple these days, environmental responsibility is a very high priority for them. Just stuffing a bigger battery increases Apples carbon emissions. Not just from manufacturing, but from customer USAGE which Apple DOES include in their emissions (very few others do).

It's disappointing to be on an Apple fan site with so many users who just don't seem to get Apple at all. Apple tries to solve problems by looking deeper. Not just saying "slap a bigger battery inside, that solves everything!" Apples trying to make their products as efficient as possible, and keeping the battery as small as possible. So they'll increase battery life through hardware optimizations, NOT by throwing bigger and bigger batteries inside a device that becomes increasingly less efficient (like competitors do)

 

[ImpostorOak]

They weigh their options with great attention to detail. A bigger, thicker battery causes both weight, and thickness sacrifices (possibly heat too). They decided on a battery that lasts the vast majority of people, a full day, under normal usage conditions. If you guys can't understand that then I don't know what's wrong with you.

I think the issue people take with that statement is its accuracy, not its understandability. There's not really a way to prove that it fits "the vast majority of people" so it's kind of a moot point.

No. I'm talking about current tech. No one can use 10% battery in a day with any usage other than a few minutes (standby ect). Thus, if you didn't use it and ended up with 90%, you'd still charge your device because tomorrow you might actually use the device, and you'd definitely want it to be at maximum capacity.

Does 90% really matter versus 100%? I mean, if the iPhone has such great battery life that it's not even worth considering keeping the onerous weight and thickness of the 5S in the 6 to increase that battery life, what good is that extra 10% going to do you?

In my opinion, people that absolutely insist on charging their batteries to 100% are just ridiculous. 90% satisfies the uses of the vast majority of users so taking the time out of your day to find a charger and plug your phone in is just ridiculous.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

There is going to be plenty of room in that form factor to be thin and to fit in a 2,100 battery. Samsung GS5 has a 3,000 battery and isn't that much wider. And Smasung doesn't have Apple's ability to miniturize their forms. (Android phones were initially large simply because they couldn't make a phone that worked and lasted more than a few hours without the huge battery and that meant they had to be big phones.) A 2,100 battery is a 34% increase in size from the iPhone 5. Let's assume that "only" translates into 25% longer battery life because of the screen size you point out. That is still great. Let's say one typically are a power user and your phone dies in 12 hours of being out in use. Now you can make it 15 hours. That's going to be a nearly full day even for the power users.

If we get 30% more usage (because of efficiencies from the programming and the new smaller CPU), then I would say the battery life issue will be pretty close to licked.

I'll hope it's as you imply- that this 2,100 battery will yield 25% or more battery life in real-world usage. That's certainly a gain if it comes. Nevertheless, I'd love to see what Apple could have done with that 3,000 in there. As is, I use a battery case with 2,300mAh in addition to the 5s stock battery. I'd love to not need a battery case with this 6.

 

[jimbo1mcm]

New Processor Tech?

I think Apple might surprise us with very adequate battery life in the Ip6. They will use a larger battery, very good, but not over the top screen resolution, and processor technology that will automatically reduce battery consumption when it is not needed.

For the average user, when a non-average event will be occurring, like an overnight plane ride or a camping trip or a 6 am to midnight day, companies like Mophie will be happy to provide auxilliary power.

Apple is building the phone for the average user, not the power user.

 

[the future]

But if "record sales" is the determinant of "no problems", Android dominates the smart phone OS by far now, so, apparently, Android's "record sales" makes it the superior mobile device OS.

You'd have a point here if not for the fact that the vast, vast majority of Android phones ar sold by price, and by price only. In the premium sector of the market, the iPhone is still untouchable.

Once again, putting in a bigger battery doesn't require a thicker iPhone… (...) More battery has no effect on Apple's ability to deliver an "optimized OS", nor is there any loss of design differentiation either.

It wouldn't require a thicker iPhone than the most recent iPhone, but an iPhone that is thicker (and thus less attractive) than it can be at this point in time. The iPhone 4 was as svelte as was possible in 2010, same for the iPhone 5 in 2012, same for the iPhone 6 in 2014. Making it thicker and heavier than that would be a severe problem because the iPhone absolutely needs to be on the bleeding edge of materials and design to continue commanding the price premium it sells for. As a nice sidde effect, the thinness of the 4,7" iPhone 6 will allow Apple to claim that it's still fine for one-handed use.

Every reasonable smartphone market analysis concludes that the iPhone differentiation (vs. the race to the bottom of the Android world) is based on ease of use (iOS) and premium, bleeding edge materials and design. Apple won't give up on one of those factors just to please 1% (or even 5%, or make it 10% if it makes you feel less isolated) power users. Just face the fact that you are not a typical iPhone customer and it all makes sense.

 

[Bahroo]

would've been 3,000 mAh, but Jony Ive wanted the iPhone to be 1 mm thinner.

hahah, 2100 mAh should prove really good for the iPhone 6 imo, more is always better of course, but i think the i6 will have amazing battery life

-20nm Apple A8 SoC, more side cores like the M7, contextual core for Siri now,etc

-DRAM use in the screen to save battery life a good amount

-more efficient,better LCD technology that is obviously coming since iphone 5s and iphone 5 screen technology is about 2 years old now.

-AC wifi which will increase wifi performance and less battery drain

-even more efficient antenna design

-iOS ecosystem is ready for apple's beast A8 SoC 64 bit ready since alot of apps are catching on 64 bit support now which will improve battery life and the transition to it is seamless of course.

Android is quite behind here with the 64 bit support , they will have a harder time making everything play nice together like Samsungs Exynos 64 bit SoC, qualcomm's, mediatek's, Intel, AMD, etc , but 64 bit support is coming to Android in Android L

iOS 8 software optimizations too and all of this added together I think the iPhone 6 is gonna have greater battery life then everyone thinks

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

You'd have a point here if not for the fact that the vast, vast majority of Android phones ar sold by price, and by price only. In the premium sector of the market, the iPhone is still untouchable.

Got 'cha (I knew there would be some alt observation that would make "record sales" only apply when it fits a point in support of Apple). "We" are nothing here if not consistent. Rah, rah Apple!

It wouldn't require a thicker iPhone than the most recent iPhone, but an iPhone that is thicker (and thus less attractive) than it can be at this point in time. The iPhone 4 was as svelte as was possible in 2010, same for the iPhone 5 in 2012, same for the iPhone 6 in 2014. Making it thicker and heavier than that would be a severe problem because the iPhone absolutely needs to be on the bleeding edge of materials and design to continue commanding the price premium it sells for. As a nice sidde effect, the thinness of the 4,7" iPhone 6 will allow Apple to claim that it's still fine for one-handed use.

Every reasonable smartphone market analysis concludes that the iPhone differentiation (vs. the race to the bottom of the Android world) is based on ease of use (iOS) and premium, bleeding edge materials and design. Apple won't give up on one of those factors just to please 1% (or even 5%, or make it 10% if it makes you feel less isolated) power users. Just face the fact that you are not a typical iPhone customer and it all makes sense.

OK, so if I read that right, the implication is that "thinnest possible" at the time is key to "svelte" and that a little thinner rather than a maximum thinning could not be spun as "svelte" or "bleeding edge"… even by Apple. Thus, if Apple did decide to ignore this "now" chance to maximize thinness and instead rolled out a thinner (than 5s) iPhone 6 with say "double the battery life", the "reasonable market analysis" people who are apparently the judge of what is defined as "bleeding edge" would fault Apple for doubling the utility of battery life when they could have used a smaller battery to achieve an even thinner shell.

And maximizing thin now plus ease of use is key to this perception of "bleeding edge". A radical thing like- say- doubling battery life could not be deemed "bleeding edge" since such a benefit is neither aesthetic (like thin) nor "ease of use".

Why wouldn't this "reasonable market analysis" fault Apple for using this 2,100 battery then? I mean, why not shrink the battery even more so they can achieve an even "thinner" shell? Per many of the arguments in this thread, the existing battery is more than enough for a whole day FOR EVERYONE, so there's clearly an opportunity to shrink the battery and still deliver the same "ease of use" and make the "6" even thinner.

I'll try to buy all of that, which then seems to imply that the iPhone 7 must be thinner than the 6 and 8 must be thinner than the 7 and so on, which naturally means that the battery will soon have to come out of the phone as even the stock one used now takes up most of the space. I don't know how to reconcile "ease of use" with a battery-less iPhone 11 or so but jettisoning that battery altogether will certainly yield the opportunity for "thin" (er svelte) and thus "bleeding edge".

Furthermore, I can't reconcile why the judges will support the bigger screens either. 4" or even the former perfection of 3.5" would seemingly also support the "svelte" and "bleeding edge" design goals better than bigger 4.7" and 5.5" screens. But, let me guess, somehow the judges of what is bleeding edge approve of bigger screens but not more battery life at the expense of maximum thin.

 

[bushman4]

Bigger battery sounds good. However being the IPhone 6 will have greater functionality including some monitoring functions which will be on constantly I don't think we're going to see much battery improvement. But I'm still hopeful

 

[zipa]

It wouldn't require a thicker iPhone than the most recent iPhone, but an iPhone that is thicker (and thus less attractive) than it can be at this point in time. The iPhone 4 was as svelte as was possible in 2010, same for the iPhone 5 in 2012, same for the iPhone 6 in 2014.

This is just plain nonsense. Any iPhone could have been the thickness of a credit card if Apple had wanted it to be. Thickness is just another feature/design aspect along with everything else, and like so many other aspects on a phone, it depends on a myriad of things.

 

[firewood]

I'm spending most of my weekends during the open sea season off the electric grid with just a noisy and somewhat annoying petrol generator for power. I'd sure love to be able to not power up that bad boy just to charge my iDevices. The phone in particular is a crucial safety device when you are out on an island all by your self or with young kids.

Solar panels and backup battery packs with USB or Lightning connectors to recharge your iPhone at night. Assuming the weather was nice.

 

[chrisbru]

I'm spending most of my weekends during the open sea season off the electric grid with just a noisy and somewhat annoying petrol generator for power. I'd sure love to be able to not power up that bad boy just to charge my iDevices. The phone in particular is a crucial safety device when you are out on an island all by your self or with young kids.

Also I find that long treks or bike trips with some kind of an activity tracker enabled (especially if the screen is on for checking lap times etc.) eats through the battery at a rather quick pace.

Sure, but users like you are a small percentage. And they make battery cases and the like for you. I'm talking about the vast majority of users who charge every night. Which is the group of people that a consumer device should be tailored for.

 

[Toltepeceno]

They're using it as a smartphone! We've got a number of mobile users who have iPhones (mostly the iPhone5 with a few iPhone5s) and the number one complaint (infact the only real complaint) is battery life. Most of the people with them tend to find the battery doesn't last beyond 1 day and if it does it would certainly need charging to use it for a second day

Iphones are not to actually use, they are to whip out around other people to try and be cool.

 

[Jvanleuvan]

My iphone 5s seems fine for me; and if you look at this Anandtech review it seems like it pretty competitive:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/9

It's better that average in the WiFi Browsing (43% better than an S4)
it the BEST in 4g web browsing
it's worse than average on talk time (though still offers over 9 hours)
it's second best in Graphics Battery life

so if Anandtech is to be trusted (they seem reputable) and if the Iphone's battery life is insufficient, then a vast majority of popular android devices are even worse!

 

[Piggie]

Wait a minute,you people saying the iPhone battery is bad and even some say its worse than the competition i ask you..have you really used the competitions phones? I had a note 2 and note 3 before going back to iPhone and my reasoning is that the android os is poor at battery life. It is horrendous and always has been, My gfs galaxy phone dies all the time and my iPhone goes on the whole day. iOS is by the far the best battery optimized os around just like the macbook air battery is great. Android is junk and the only reason i went to it is for the bigger screen but i also came running back eventually cause battery life and other things are more important to me. I am sticking with iPhone now. I learned my lesson using that junky os. It may even have slightly more features but there really aren't useful features i ever used either. iPhone os is well made, easy to use and does what i want and need. Your iPhone really should last u an entire day unless you don't work and have too much time on your hands. I guess if you use it all day for work too thats a good excuse but then you get some external battery or battery case or charger because no phone will last u through the day. if your just one Facebook 2 hours a day or something then just get a life

Really ?

http://bgr.com/2013/11/05/iphone-5s-android-battery-life-comparison/

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This is just plain nonsense. Any iPhone could have been the thickness of a credit card if Apple had wanted it to be. Thickness is just another feature/design aspect along with everything else, and like so many other aspects on a phone, it depends on a myriad of things.

Errrrr no. Apple could not make the iPhone the thickness of a credit card

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

My iphone 5s seems fine for me; and if you look at this Anandtech review it seems like it pretty competitive:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/9

It's better that average in the WiFi Browsing (43% better than an S4)
it the BEST in 4g web browsing
it's worse than average on talk time (though still offers over 9 hours)
it's second best in Graphics Battery life

so if Anandtech is to be trusted (they seem reputable) and if the Iphone's battery life is insufficient, then a vast majority of popular android devices are even worse!

I don't think this discussion is an anti-Apple or "Android is better" argument. There's an opportunity here. Even if Anandtech had iPhone 5s #1 in all measurements of battery capability, the next iPhone is going to be bigger (wider and taller). So the opportunity is to take advantage of that added space by raising the battery bar even higher.

Whether Apple is #1 or #10 in some measurement for anything Apple makes, "we" generally want Apple to try harder, do more, deliver "wow!". If they are #1, we don't want them to halt there. We want them to outdo themselves.

Do we want "good enough" graphic cards when we could have better graphics cards? Do we want "good enough" CPUs when we could have better CPUs? Isn't the A7 good enough? Why do we want an A8? Wasn't 32 bit good enough; why did we need 64? 2 cores vs. 4 cores vs. 8 cores? RAM size? Retina vs. non-Retina? Etc.

Like the quote in the post before yours, there are people who have this as an issue in how THEY use their iPhones. I would guess if there was a "next iPhone wish list" or "biggest iPhone gripes" poll, iPhone battery life would rank high. I would further guess "iPhone is too thick" would not rank as highly (if at all). Thus, if Apple was taking on the wants of it's market, I suspect they would be trying to tackle matters like this instead of those- like "my iPhone 5s is too thick"- that don't seem to be a problem for just about anyone. I'm still to see anyone gripe about their iPhone 5s being too thick. But we all need a thinner 6???