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Report Claims 4.7-Inch iPhone 6 Will Feature 2,100 mAh Battery
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I came from an LG G2 with amazing battery life to the iPhone 5s two weeks ago. One of my biggest fears was the battery on the iPhone as all my friends with iPhones seemed to always be out of battery. After two weeks of heavy use I've been surprised that I usually go to bed with at least 10% battery left and this is after using the phone pretty heavy all day. My typical day is waking up at 4am and going to work, browsing the internet on break for 30 minutes and again at lunch for an hour. Then when I get home I'm on it all the time until I go to bed at around 10pm, so I'm pretty happy.
With my LG G2 and the same usage I'd go to bed with around 50% battery, but in reality what does that do for me? I still charge both phones every night so I don't notice a difference on my end. Maybe if I were to go camping or something I would miss the battery of the G2 but I do have a battery pack to take for that situation.
With my LG G2 and the same usage I'd go to bed with around 50% battery, but in reality what does that do for me? I still charge both phones every night so I don't notice a difference on my end. Maybe if I were to go camping or something I would miss the battery of the G2 but I do have a battery pack to take for that situation.
I know. I just recently saw a chart of the 10 longest lasting smart phones and the iPhone wasn't on the list. One would hope that the bigger form factor would result a bigger battery, but this is a modest addition which will be more than offset by the power required by the larger screen. So my prediction is we will be lucky to have improved battery life. We will see...
#1 Fallacious argument: Assumes the writer has no interest in balance whatsoever (9mm and better battery life)
#2 What exactly would be wrong with a 12mm 170g phone? Anything? Perhaps it mightn't be as aesthetically pleasing.... or maybe it would be. Maybe our ridiculous obsession with thinness is just that: A ridiculous obsession with thinness. From a practical standpoint, how exactly does the original iPhone's form factor hinder you? I mean, really, realistically? Does it make you sacrifice those precious 2-3 credit cards in your wallet? You could always lose a few pounds so your thighs aren't pressing up against your pockets. (And by "you," no I don't mean you.)
Assuming battery life really is an important factor for many people, who *cares* if the phone remained thick?
Personally I'd prefer something closer to 8-10mm rather than 12, but hey. To each their choice of phone.
I think you have that backwards. The only moaners are the ones who want a bigger battery and complain about battery life. Everyone else is happy with the current size and performance.
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By your reasoning, ultrabooks are the only things being sold.. with the exception of people who need a longer battery life. Why buy a desktop when you can buy a laptop? Why buy an ordinary laptop when you can buy an ultraportable? Why buy an UP when you can buy a small tablet? Why buy a tab when you can get a smart watch? Why even bother with a smart watch when you can write your ideas down on paper? Why bother with paper when you can store information so much more space-efficiently on fraction of a neuron?
People buy laptops because they are faster than ultra books. People buy desktops because they don't need portability. People buy paper because it doesn't require any power and is cheap. I thought my reasoning was clear.
Omg someone with intelligent thought for once. Whether you end the day with 1% or 90%, you're going to charge it overnight, so it literally makes absolutely no difference, as long as you make it through the day. This is what Apple strives for, and there is absolutely no reason to aim for better, until battery tech changes and they can last for days or weeks. Love your comment about the camping too, you'd just use external battery packs, it's so obvious, and it's equally obvious that Apple isn't aiming for the people going camping once a year... Haha
rebuttal to battery complainers
Americans like simple numbers, we tend to want more watts, GHz, HP, RPM, etc. even if we don't understand what those things do for us or how those specs interact with others to influence actual performance of a system or device.
First... let's all agree that a 2,100mAh isn't all that high a capacity, it is on the order of a good NiMh rechargeable AA battery and on the low end of a lithium or alkaline AA form factor battery's capacity. So this isn't a lot of power over all we're talking about here.
As with all the specs I mentioned above there is a ratio between the spec (almost always a rate of work) and something else that actually is the performance metric people really care about, often without knowing it.
In this case a phone with a 2,100mAh battery and average load of 87.5mA will run for about 24 hours. Lower the average draw to 60mA and you get 35 of run time. Since Apple has tight control over the hardware components, design and software they have a very good ability to get the ratios to a design point they want. To that end, what does it matter to most end users if the battery has more mAh capacity or the phone has lower average load as long as they get more use time?
I think it is the US automotive industry that started a lot of this, hyping horsepower as a raw performance number ignoring two things: 1. vehicle weight/HP is that actual performance number to use and 2. What most people consider "performance" is much more greatly affected by the torque (again really vehicle weight/torque) specification of the vehicle. Let's not even get in to the complexities of aerodynamics, power curves, gearing, etc.
Long story short: marketers have convinced a majority of people that a single, simply explained (but usually meaningless) number is better when it is larger(or smaller) whether you're talking about battery capacity or car performance or computer speed or calories in a cookie or many, many other things.
Americans like simple numbers, we tend to want more watts, GHz, HP, RPM, etc. even if we don't understand what those things do for us or how those specs interact with others to influence actual performance of a system or device.
First... let's all agree that a 2,100mAh isn't all that high a capacity, it is on the order of a good NiMh rechargeable AA battery and on the low end of a lithium or alkaline AA form factor battery's capacity. So this isn't a lot of power over all we're talking about here.
As with all the specs I mentioned above there is a ratio between the spec (almost always a rate of work) and something else that actually is the performance metric people really care about, often without knowing it.
In this case a phone with a 2,100mAh battery and average load of 87.5mA will run for about 24 hours. Lower the average draw to 60mA and you get 35 of run time. Since Apple has tight control over the hardware components, design and software they have a very good ability to get the ratios to a design point they want. To that end, what does it matter to most end users if the battery has more mAh capacity or the phone has lower average load as long as they get more use time?
I think it is the US automotive industry that started a lot of this, hyping horsepower as a raw performance number ignoring two things: 1. vehicle weight/HP is that actual performance number to use and 2. What most people consider "performance" is much more greatly affected by the torque (again really vehicle weight/torque) specification of the vehicle. Let's not even get in to the complexities of aerodynamics, power curves, gearing, etc.
Long story short: marketers have convinced a majority of people that a single, simply explained (but usually meaningless) number is better when it is larger(or smaller) whether you're talking about battery capacity or car performance or computer speed or calories in a cookie or many, many other things.
Not every mAh is the same, it depends massively on how the battery is charged and discharged, this is a huge increase for an apple product that should lead to 18-20 hours web surfing with the right chip. Apple is just better at the integration, i'm always shocked by how small iPhone batteries are every time i hear it quoted!
I personally feel the ios7 software has a bug that causes the battery to not balance charge properly resulting in 5-6 hrs battery and inaccurate discharge figures, this is solved by running down the battery 10-20 times causing the cells to drop to the same level and allow charging each cell fully. I hope they sort that bug out in ios8 because thats why people are getting awful battery life from their iPhones, it's happened to me and my wife so it can't be that uncommon!
Here's the thing, Apple has done more testing than you would care to know about. Apple understands that the goal is to provide the vast majority of users, a battery life which will last them exactly 1 day (i.e. from the time they wake up, to the time they go to bed). The fact is, they've provided that. It makes absolutely no sense to go beyond the 1 day battery life, because you simply charge it overnight... It would only ever make sense when there is new battery tech which will last days or weeks.
The thing people need to do, when they can't get the battery to last a full day, is ask themselves why that is. Do you watch videos all day? If so, don't expect a full day of battery life, because remember, Apple isn't expecting the vast majority of users to be watching porn on their phones all day. Do you use one of the worst things ever created by man...Facebook? Then don't use that, because it's embarrassingly awful, and the app kills battery life I've heard. If you use it normally, then you need to google, or find the person's comment which I saw earlier, showing the common mistakes people make with too many unnecessary features killing their battery. For example I feel bad for anyone with Facebook, and not knowing what background app refresh is, because they might have that on, and that's like doomsday for your battery.
Much less if you turn on the energy saver feature?Looks like it will retain the same battery life as the 5S, which unfortunately much less than the competition
It weighs basically nothing as it is. A little more weight won't hurt anyone.
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Exactly. I'd rather my phone last longer than be a few ounces lighter or a few mm thinner. It's ridiculous. It's been light/thin enough since the 4. It didn't ever need to go thinner or lighter.
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Omg, while your view of that comment makes sense, it should apply to just about ANYONES day, not just that guy's day. Apparently, either his Android or iPhone battery is sufficient for HIS day. Others- even others in this very thread- are clear that their iPhones do not last through THEIR day. Their day should be as important as his day.
If Apple left battery life "as is", people like him (and you?) get just enough battery life to work fine for their day.
If Apple boosted battery life, people like him (and you?) would still get enough battery life to work fine for their day. BUT people not like him (and you?) might get the added battery life they want to make it work well for their days too.
See the difference?
There's always chunks of this Apple crowd that lets a self-centered view drive universal thinking (good enough for me so good enough for everyone else too). What seems to always be overlooked is that some of what these "crazy" others desire would have absolutely no effect on the "good enough" (for me) crowd. Instead, it would just make more "good enough for me" iPhone users.
"We" can't want them to get what they desire even if it has no effect on us. We have to instead spin & rationalize why since whatever we're talking about (iPhone battery life in this case) is good enough for "me" as is, it must be good enough for everyone else too. They are wrong to want better. Why? Because "I" don't want or need better. Even if they got what they wanted which- in this case- would deliver the potential added benefit that should "I" use my iPhone heavier than usual or not be able to charge it exactly when I do now, I might get the extra juice I need for such odd scenarios, "I" still argue against them getting that want fulfilled anyway.
Think about it. What's the loss for those with satisfactory battery life if Apple would build in more battery life?
Then you are, by definition, a fan boi.
Apple has lost touch with reality and consistently cripples their machines for the almighty design-God Jony Ive. Just look at the new iMacs and how you can barely add ram to any of them anymore.
Look at the new Mac Pro; it is an overpriced G4 Cube from a decade ago. The computer still has the same problems the Cube had then - a major lack of expandability (unless you fork out as much for the computer again on Thunderbolt peripherals).
While slimness is a desirable trait in terms of ergonomics and aesthetics, there is a fine line between being practical and impractical. Apple has crossed over to the impractical side for a lot of their products now. EDIT: or maybe it is practical...for them and their share holders. Making something small and non upgradable leads to more sales because everyone needs to upgrade sooner than they normally would.
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This could be a sign that Apple is starting to take battery life more seriously. This is a 35% increase in battery capacity.
You would only need about 10-15% extra to power a bigger 4.7" screen. And the A8 is rumoured to be a 20nm chip... so we can see significant power reduction there.
Yup, here is hoping for a real increase in battery life
4.7" over 4.0" means increase of 38% in Surface Area. So, Battery increase corresponds linearly to that.
Software Optimization might result in additional power saving, but I doubt that it will exceed current quoted usage.
I have iPhone 5S which lasts me for 1 and a half day, so its perfect for my use.
Have you ever seen a battery pack in your life? Do you know how thick (or thin) 1 mm is?
Do you actually think it's completely unreasonable for people to want a phone to be 1mm thicker with significantly improved battery life, but it's not completely unreasonable for you to want to force people to use a case that doubles the thickness of the phone because you want your phone to be "slim and light"?
Show me a battery case that literally adds 1mm to the thickness of the phone and you'll have a reasonable argument. If you expect people to actually carry around a separate battery pack to recharge their phones, you'll never have a reasonable argument.
Nope, read my previous comment. Apple aims for the vast majority making it a full day. The few people on this forum are .0001% of Apple's user base.
Who really knows how big the battery is going to be! I'm sure all the engineers at Apple has already figure it out! If Samsung , HTC or other has a bigger battery, I'm sure Apple can get the same! This is a major upgrade and I'm sure they will make sure it's a hit!
When I had a Samsung S4 it had a bigger battery but about half the battery life of an iPhone 5.
Battery capacity is only half the solution.
I get about 1.5 days with the Apple; I was lucky to get through a day with the Samsung.
Passed it off on a relative. Can't wait for the iPhone 6!
Battery capacity is only half the solution.
I get about 1.5 days with the Apple; I was lucky to get through a day with the Samsung.
Passed it off on a relative. Can't wait for the iPhone 6!
me too,every one wants that.
no it doesn't have great battery life.
unless you use it very little,it won't last a full day,and that's not "great battery life".I'm not interested in samsung phones but compared to the 5s,the galaxys5 has much better battery performance and that's a fact.and they are very slim and light devices.
iPhone's battery life is an area that really needs improvement.
Going to Disney World Magic Kingdom soon. Going to be a bummer that I can't trust my 5s's battery to last (taking lots of pictures and videos) and will have to buy a battery case. Good for the new iPhone (though I hate the bigger size).
Indeed yes, I do not disagree
However that still does not mean one day say needing to recharge the device every single day is "GREAT"
Why would I need a source for something so completely obvious? If iPhone battery life was a problem for the majority of users, Apple wouldn't sell record numbers quarter after quarter.
If, on the other hand, the iPhone design wouldn't stand out anymore, these numbers would go down. No, I don't have a "source" for that either, but the positioning as an "affordable luxury" item simply wouldn't work with a bloated, undifferentiated design. And like it or not, the thinness of the device, enabled by a very optimized OS and a just "normal" battery life, is a major design differentiator for Apple. Just look at the MacBook Air and the iPads ...
Yes, but this is on a new iPhone. In a year, the battery will have lost at least 10% of its capacity, maybe more considering the heavy use you are giving it. So a year from now it probably won't last through the day. Two years from now and the battery will be even worse and perhaps an updated OS will be hitting it harder as well. Then three years from now you will have a real problem. iPhones are so strong and so well supported that one should expect to get at least three years of use from them, maybe even four if they don't get dropped. But in that case I doubt it is four years with the original user.
What I do is I replace the battery after about a year and a half. That seems almost necessary with the phones that have been made and with pretty heavy use.