Speak for yourself, not me. My G2 could EASILY last 2 days of heavy usage (I routinely got 6.5-7 hrs screen on time). The Note 3 was the same, if not better.
You can't take what people at your "school" do and extrapolate it to everyone in general.
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Speak for yourself, not me. My G2 could EASILY last 2 days of heavy usage (I routinely got 6.5-7 hrs screen on time). The Note 3 was the same, if not better.
You can't take what people at your "school" do and extrapolate it to everyone in general.
Yeah, the GS5 has a 2A stock wall charger which charges very quickly. Perhaps Apple will up the amps on the new iPhone's charger as well (current iPhone charger gives 1A) if the battery capacity has indeed increased.
Some of what the competitors do is to offset the battery draining of Android and Android apps. Android has improved tremendously but it's not quite as efficient as iOS in part because the hardware and software are not as closely integrated.
Some manufacturers have done a great job with improving Android device battery life but many times the answer to improving battery life is bigger batteries rather than optimized hardware and software.
I keep harping on this, but I would care less about the size of the battery if Apple threw a curve ball and introduced 1m wireless charging.....
You can't say what you do and extrapolate it either. Both of you presented anecdotal evidence. It means nothing.
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Look at the competition? They were doing this
When Apple did this (see below)
And please speak for yourself. Personally I would want the phone as minimal as possible when it comes to weight and thinnest. Battery life? I have many ways to charge it when it runs out, everywhere. Or if I wanted to I can buy a battery pack for it and make it thicker and longer battery life.
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Statistically speaking, my extrapolation based on what 100 people do is more valid than your extrapolation of what a single person, you, does.
While that's a fair observation on your part, I was talking about personal experience while the other poster was talking about other people's experience.
I doubt they've ever even owned an Android device.
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Statistically speaking, my extrapolation based on what 100 people do is more valid than your extrapolation of what you, one person, does.
You expect me to believe you've got 100 people walking around one school with Android phones tethered to battery packs?
Nice try.
Funny how those who are closing apps always complain about battery life. You could think, that they close apps because of the short battery life, but it could be the other way around as well.
I do both, my iPad keeps everything open and I reset it once a week... which I think closes apps. My iPhone I spend a lot of time taking care of selecting which apps to use location data and other things to optimise battery life. I don't get great battery life on either those machines.
I'd like to think batteries and charging will be the next big tech revolution.
I know, just was saying that everyone's experience varies. Believe it or not some people get great life out of their iPhone battery.
I have a g3, and if I wanted to I can make that thing last probably 2 days without a charge. I could also drain it in five or six hours.
Us forum users are power users, some people are happy with their battery life. That doesn't mean apple shouldn't always be trying to improve it, of course.
Oh, absolutely I agree that everyone's experience varies (vastly in most cases). And I apologize if it seemed like I was bashing the current iPhone's battery. Frankly, it works fine for me and last long enough. But I realize there are people that need more battery life and I just don't see the harm in Apple overdoing it by putting a much larger battery in there than constantly seeking this ridiculous thin idea.
Yeah, it's already thin enough. The 4S was thin enough. I would rather have a phone as thick as the 4S with a battery that outshines all competitors than a phone that is thinner. Thinner just means more fragile. Phones shouldn't be fragile. We use them too much. Why can't apple see that and just give us a real battery?!
I've owned the old Nokias with 2 weeks between charges but that's not comparable to a smartphone imho. When I was a kid my family had a wall mounted phone that never needed charging so the Nokia phones was terrible in comparison.
I'm a iPhone user since release of iPhone 3G and I have tried several flagship Android phones. Comparing my current iPhone with these other smartphones is what I base my statement that my 5s has great battery time. If you want the definition of great to be a non existent product of your dreams or a 15 year old device that lacked every other feature than phone call I think you are the one who are unrealistic.
First, I have owned a several Android phones. I'll give you that I haven't owned single one released in the past two years; but I got sufficiently burned with my Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus, and the awful upgrades to ICS and JB, that I admittedly still hold a grudge.
Second, my law school graduating class was about 300 people. Of those with smartphones, which was about 90% or higher, it was a pretty even split between iOS and Android. I didn't do an exact count, but it's pretty easy to tell from afar. When sitting in the largest lecture room, you can see who has their phones plugged in to the socket available at every seat. When a phone was plugged in to charge, it was an Android phone. In the largest lecture room, about 100, I would see maybe one or two iPhones charging, and I would see several dozen androids charging. From that, of my 300-person class, I estimate that about 100 of them are carrying an android charger in their bags at all times. Of note, I never saw any of the people with dumbphones charging.
This isn't scientific, and it is anecdotal. However, I think it's a pretty good back-of-a-napkin estimation. I don't know what specific models these people had, but it's clear to me.
If I were to pick a random android phone from a pile of android phones, that phone would have worse battery life than a phone randomly picked from a pile of iPhones.
The battery life on the old android phones were dreadful. No joke I'd get two hrs before having to find an outlet. They've improved leaps and bounds though. I don't know if it's because of bigger batteries or actual battery improvements but the newer android phones should get you through the day
If I want my 5s battery to last a whole day, I have to turn off LTE.
LTE sucks the life out of my iPhone.
LTE sucks the life out of my iPhone.
All technology requires tradeoffs. Apple, unlike every other phone maker, is able to make decisions that lead to a clear position in the market. They are not known for their longest battery life (although they are better than most). Apple is known for the best design and a big part of that is their devices getting thinner every generation.
Any company can cram a giant battery into any device. Andoid phone makers do it all the time. If you want that you have many non-Apple alternatives.
Don't be worried about Apple's iPhone runtime. Be worried when Apple stops caring about making devices thinner, lighter and more elegant.
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That's probably because you live on the edge of LTE reception so your iPhone is amplifying it's LTE connection all day to stay connected to the base stations. Your problem is where you live and the carrier you choose. I used to have your problems with 3G and Edge but LTE came into town and now my iPhone never has anything less than full LTE all day.
You're gonna make a great lawyer because you've got the misdirection of a conversation down pat.
While you are welcome to use your anecdotal evidence from your class, you have no personal experience with Android devices if the last ones you used were the Nexus S and GNex (2 phones that are KNOWN for their awful batteries). If your last experience with Android was ICS and JB, then you've completely missed the boat on what Kit Kat has done for battery life, not to mention how much better and more optimized Android phones of the last year or so are when it comes to battery life.
And the next iteration of Android (Android L) has already shown significant improvement to battery life on the Nexus 5, and it's barely a beta...more like an Alpha. Somewhere around 30% improvement on existing hardware. That's impressive, no matter where your allegiances lie.
Look, everyone's experience is different. I love both platforms. Heck, I traded my 5S for a Oppo Find 7a a month or two ago and I actually just bought the exact same 5S back from the guy I traded with because I missed iOS so much. I like having both platforms in my "stable". When the iPhone 6 4.7" is available, I'll be getting one (and I may pick up the purported 5.5" later when it's available). Point being, I don't have anything against the iPhone...I just want people to understand that the old arguments about Android being awful when it comes to battery life are pretty much null and void now.
Imagine what a splash it would make if the battery life was worse! I'm not running Apple, but I'd imagine it's a no brainer to not improve the battery life even a little bit. I'm not really that concerned that they haven't found a way to improve the technology to use less power and delivering more battery life.
No one is missing the point. It's just not true anymore. GS5 with larger battery charges quicker than the iP5S with smaller battery.
You are such an apple apologist
The number one thing people want is better battery life.
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Exactly. This is likely going to be the usual spin combo of "same battery life as the 5s" with "thinnest iPhone ever". Per Apple marketing, thin trumps tangible utility on this particular topic. Plus, "thin" has lower unit costs than "bigger battery", so as long as the faithful can be wooed with "thin," there's more margin in it for Apple.
The most vocal Apple fans will rationalize thin to no end… yet they won't gripe about the current iPhone's "thickness". To genuinely crave thinner seems like it would need a benefit catalyst… something like "iPhone 5s is just about perfect but a little too thick for me". However, we pretty much never see that per the "can't put anything Apple offers now down" rule. So this group craving of "thinner" seems to mostly be driven by a confidence that Apple is going to go there anyway.
Now flip the view. There's a segment of the crowd that wants a tangible utility benefit- longer battery life. That's a genuine benefit that offers potential utility for every single iPhone buyer. What do we do with that? "We" beat that desire down. Why? Because we don't expect Apple to go there. Our lack of confidence Apple will do that makes us lash out against the idea. Then what? Then, we rationalize it with spin like "pay extra for a battery case if you want more battery" and "my usage never drains the battery (so no one else has battery life problems either)" and so on.
The best one though is the implied concept that the "more battery" crowd would require Apple to make a thicker phone. I've yet to see anyone wanting better battery life argue that. Generally their argument is about keeping the same thinness (thickness) of the 5s but filling the added width & height of the physically-bigger 6 with more battery. It's how both groups could get what they want as the "thin > more battery" crowd is apparently content with the thinness (thickness) of the 5s now and the "more battery > thin" crowd could get what they want too. This transition to the bigger screens is the ONE time to do this, but it seems Apple will reject that opportunity so that they can spin "thinner" once again at the launch.
"We" can't unify on the "same thinness with bigger battery" concept because "we" know that Apple will choose thinner over that utility. So we'll do what "we" do and argue how all of us having added battery capacity is unnecessary when all of us want(?) "thinner" instead.
For the group that wants more utility, the good news is that physics will eventually end the "thinner" spin game. There will be a point where an iPhone 9-12 cannot get thinner than a sheet of paper. Somewhere toward that thinness will be the point when improvements in the next model will need to be based on adding tangible utility for users over leaning on marketing spin bullets like "even thinner".
Or, Apple will start talking about chipping away at "thickness" in micrometers instead of millimeters. Nanometer and picometer "savings" could then follow. Eventually, we open the iPhone 14 box and can't see the phone because it's become so thin, it's fully transparent.
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