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No one is missing the point. It's just not true anymore. GS5 with larger battery charges quicker than the iP5S with smaller battery.

And that explains why Sony Xperia Z2, HTC One m8 and LG G2/G3 take significantly longer to charge? Having an exception doesn't make something the norm. :rolleyes:
 
Not sure I agree.

In terms of screen, a 4.7" screen has a 38% larger area than a 4" one. Top that with a pixel density increase and you have significant more than a 15% impact on power consumption (of the screen component).

You can't exactly do it like that because the screen tech will likely change so power consumption is not the same. If Apple goes to an IGZO panel for the 6 the larger display size impact on power consumption is not really there.

Look at the iPad 4 to the iPad Air. Apple went to IGZO panel and the battery had about 25% less capacity but gets longer battery life.
 
The most important part of that, to you, is that it takes longer to load the battery to 100%? Are you an alien?

Or perhaps he's part of the population that uses his phone a lot until very late in the day and will have to charge the phone more than one time to satisfy such usage. Perhaps it's so mind-boggling for you to kinda understand that many people have such busy lifestyles, hence charging time is kinda important to them. I guess Apple just needs to conduct courses about lifestyle diversity as well just because so obviously some people miss that fact.
 
My guess is this has everything to do with the signal in the area they live. Where I live, AT&T has excellent coverage. I get full bars of LTE pretty much everywhere I go and battery life is superb. But every time I travel to a certain state where I usually only get 1 to 3 bars of 4G and no LTE, battery life is atrocious.

In situations like that, the radios have to use a lot more power to get a better signal. And it doesn't matter if the screen is on or not.
Indeed strength of cell signal impacts a lot battery life as the phone tries different frequencies to connect and increases the usage of SOC/radio chips.

My experience when I travel is that the roaming handshake/network negotiation always produces higher power usage thus causing the battery to drain faster.

I also noticed that having your iPhone on wifi most of the time (home/work/restaurant) does save battery life in comparison to 3g/4g data service.
 
And that explains why Sony Xperia Z2, HTC One m8 and LG G2/G3 take significantly longer to charge? Having an exception doesn't make something the norm. :rolleyes:

The Z2 has a 3200mAh battery but the charger only charges at 1.5A. Had they shipped it with a 2.1A charger (3rd party companies will supply you with one) then it will charge significantly faster.

Just because Sony 'chose' to do that doesn't mean it's not possible!
 
This is just such a typical geek debate.

Folks who bother to spend hours on macrumors (or The Verge etc.) obviously tend to be very techno-phile "power users" of their devices. Hence for (some of) them the iPhone battery runs out before the day ends.

On the other hand, 99% of iPhone customers are *not* power users and get through the day easily on a charge.

Why would Apple make the iPhone thicker and heavier if it would only benefit 1% of their customers and would irritate 99% of their customers who appreciate that unique, svelte Apple design they love and pay for?

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The Z2 has a 3200mAh battery but the charger only charges at 1.5A. Had they shipped it with a 2.1A charger (3rd party companies will supply you with one) then it will charge significantly faster.

Just because Sony 'chose' to do that doesn't mean it's not possible!

I'll tell you a little secret: if you charge an iPhone with an iPad charger, it will charge significantly faster as well!
 
On the other hand, 99% of iPhone customers are *not* power users and get through the day easily on a charge.

Why would Apple make the iPhone thicker and heavier if it would only benefit 1% of their customers and would irritate 99% of their customers who appreciate that unique, svelte Apple design they love and pay for?

Oh my- the very tired "99%" argument. Can you cite your source for such a claim? Who was surveyed to yield that 99% number- you and maybe your friends? You know if you and your friends all have iPhones, it doesn't mean that 99% of the world uses iPhones… anymore than if you and your friends are all male, it doesn't mean the entire world is all male.

And building in a bigger battery doesn't have anything to do with negatively affecting the unique, svelte Apple design "we" love. I'm certain Apple could fill the bigger width & height of the 6 with more battery without sacrificing any svelte. Do we think a bigger battery is some great burden such that Apple could not engineer one in if they wanted to do so? At least in this transition to the 6, they'll have this added width & height space where it could go if they didn't decide to maximize "thin" instead.
 
All I know is that on my Nexus 5 (with a custom rom and a custom kernel), my daily habit of reading the news and responding to messages when I wake up takes about 10% of the battery (down to 90%).

Doing the exact same thing on the 5s takes it down 22% (down to 78%).

Why?

Because something is horribly wrong with the battery on your 5s. My two year old iPhone 5 is at maybe 95% battery after news/email/web/etc in the morning (2-3 signal bars from AT&T and on wifi). Now I can't say whether we're using our phones for exactly the same amount of time or in exactly the same way, but a 22% drop is nuts, unless you're using GPS at the same time or something.
 
"Actually, I can't remember the last time the 5s lasted me a whole day. It usually dies down around 4pm, if I don't use an external charger.

The problem is, there is only so much optimisation [sic] you can achieve before the laws of physics take over."


One has to be careful about extrapolating a personal experience as the norm. You're most probably getting less than a full day's worth because your 5s isn't set-up optimally. Stuff like open apps, Bluetooth, Localization, roaming, bad installs, etc. can drain a battery quickly. So can watching videos, checking email compulsively, and so on. While I think no one would complain if they could get several days off one charge, there is only so much energy you can squeeze from a thin little cell. So, if Apple can add a bunch of nice improvements and add an hour or two (realizing 10-hours or so on a charge), I think no one will complain...too much.

Total ********. You are using the tyranny of extrapolation against all logic. Last week I went to the Billy Joel concert with seven other people. By the end of the concert, only two of us still had battery life. The other six phones, all iPhones, 100% dead, and the users had not been able to take pictures. The two users who had battery life remaining had put their phones into Airplane mode, because we were into separate groups and we needed to be able to contact each other after the concert.

THe killer app that Apple could use to really differentiate itself from the competition is battery life that actually lasts most people, not just ****ing crazy Internet posters, more than 12 normal hours of usage.
 
technology evolves should everything stay the same thickness? they will continue to get smaller thats just what happens.

Mkay. At some point it'll be possible to have it thinner than a razor. Where do you draw the line? Across the fingers you've sliced to the bone?

Yes, technology evolves (a very astute point, by the way). That doesn't mean things have to be changed for the sake of change.
 
Actually, I can't remember the last time the 5s lasted me a whole day. It usually dies down around 4pm, if I don't use an external charger.

What in the hell?! :eek: Someone either needs to untether themselves from their phone for a few minutes an hour or needs to read this.
 
Better 2100 than 1810...because with 1810 the usage should be the same like iphone 5s...but with this extra we could get some 20-30% better usage

>_> if 1810 in a 6 = equivalent of iPhone 5S how do you suppose increasing the battery life by (less than) 16.67% will yields 20-30% "better usage"?
 
I'll tell you a little secret: if you charge an iPhone with an iPad charger, it will charge significantly faster as well!

Ssshhhh!

I know that, but don't tell the 'a bigger battery= the end of the world brigade' or they'll have nothing to moan about!
 
He didn't say he doesn't care about thickness, in that he wants a thicker iPhone, unless I missed one of his posts?

In the tech industry, not caring about thickness is there same as preferring thickness. No one chooses thickness over thinness unless they care about a specific performance metric like battery life over everything else.
 
It's all good. Already get almost 2 days on my 5S quite consistently, so I'm sure the 6 will have decent battery life.

Lol.. that would make you... well, whatever the opposite of a power user who uses his phone with any frequency is =P

The rest of us get about 8-10 hours tops.
 
Actually, I can't remember the last time the 5s lasted me a whole day. It usually dies down around 4pm, if I don't use an external charger.

The problem is, there is only so much optimisation you can do before the laws of physics take over.

A 4.7inch screen, no matter what optimisation iOS8 has, will take up power. Will an 1800mah or 2100mah battery last as long as an Android phone with a comparable screen, having a 3000mah battery? No. It just isn't possible to take away the power draw of the screen in software.

Of course, tasks can be optimised and the CPU can be underclocked so CPU processing tasks take less power.

I fear that the new iPhone will have a similar battery life to the current one, which is sadly not enough at all.

Pretty sure the laws of physics are constantly working. Anyway, if your phone only lasts until 4PM, I strongly recommend you shut down features you don't need. Which by the way is the only reason Andriod can last longer... there is literally an energy saver mode which shuts down virtually everything...
 
With the same current draw the larger battery will take longer.

More mAh = bigger/heavier.

I have no argument with bigger being requisite for more mAh. Heavier, pedantically yeah. But we are talking about a few milligrams so a bit of perspective is needed. Even some of the largest phones available aren't even considered heavy. An iPhone with a bigger battery would technically by heavier, but not heavy by any stretch.

Equivalent current draw is irrelevant in this instance. I wasn't addressing hypothetical scenarios. I was addressing the current situation as is. I was simply pointing out bigger battery doesn't automatically equal longer charge time. It doesn't.
 
If 2100 maH is true, this gives me hope that the screen resolution is 1704x960 and not a dumbed down lower resolution to save battery power.
 
In the tech industry, not caring about thickness is there same as preferring thickness. No one chooses thickness over thinness unless they care about a specific performance metric like battery life over everything else.

By your reasoning, ultrabooks are the only things being sold.. with the exception of people who need a longer battery life. Why buy a desktop when you can buy a laptop? Why buy an ordinary laptop when you can buy an ultraportable? Why buy an UP when you can buy a small tablet? Why buy a tab when you can get a smart watch? Why even bother with a smart watch when you can write your ideas down on paper? Why bother with paper when you can store information so much more space-efficiently on fraction of a neuron?

:rolleyes:
 
In the tech industry, not caring about thickness is there same as preferring thickness. No one chooses thickness over thinness unless they care about a specific performance metric like battery life over everything else.

I'll repeat myself again, as you missed it the first time...

He didn't say he doesn't care about the thickness!


Why yes, yes he can. Don't question is bro-thority, ever.
Point taken and duly noted. It won't happen again! :eek:
 
What in the hell?! :eek: Someone either needs to untether themselves from their phone for a few minutes an hour or needs to read this.

Exactly, people have no idea what to do. They all have numerous things obliterating their battery, with no concept as to why that is, why it is that other people's last much much longer... they just assume they use it hardly ever. False. They probably have Facebook open all the time, which I can't wait for iOS 8 to show people how much battery that abomination is eating up.
 
Bigger battery doesn't equal better. Bigger battery is heavier, thicker and most importantly takes longer to load to 100%.

More efficient power usage = better.

THIS.

What more needs to be said? Except of course for those that NEED to bash?
 
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