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You're a reminder to everyone that just because some don't share the same viewpoint or opinions on something, it's very hard to ignore facts.

I've read much of what you wrote and while we disagree sometimes, a simple fact check of what you say has shown that you are correct in what you say.

To that, I must say that I agree 100%. Add to that the fact that Beats were almost exclusively sold at ARS in the beginning. The popularity of Beats is owed to Apple and much of what everyone else is spouting is nonsense on one side and hidden racism on the other.

In the end, if it makes Apple money, it will happen.
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Take the hip white guy out of the equation, then take the hip black guy out of the equation. Now just look at their resumes as business executives. Not only will you see that they are more than qualified but very few in any industry have accomplished what they have.

If that's the case Apple should probably acquire Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia next.
And while we are at it, acquire the Oprah Winfrey Network also.
 
No, people just hating on a genuine thug and murderer. If apple is going for the gangster, thug, criminal, hoodlum "culture" then they've found it with these goons. Whatever though.

It's comical that apple pulls a popular app that deals with totally harmless cannabis but is fine with having some rapper Neanderthal lead their PR campaign. Yeah. OK.


Dre did assault a woman back in the day. But he didn't murder anyone unless you can show us where he did.

Lol goons huh? Leading their PR campaign? So the musical influences, billion dollar business they've created doesn't matter huh. Well you can buy beats products right now on the apple website so again it seems like apple doesn't mind Dre and Iovine. I guess apple has to be the high horse of morals and not care about being a for profit company.

It'd be funny to see this deal happen these forums would blow up with people swearing off apple. Then in September they'll buy an iPhone and in the fall they'll buy an iPad.
 
Millennials are currently 19 - 35 years old. If you think Apple is targeting 2 - 18 year olds, which would be the as yet unnamed "Generation Z" than you're not too bright.

As a Millennial, you're old. Generation Z is where Apple is focused. Now get the hell off my lawn.
 
For 3 Billion, they can buy Bose, and have scientists work on reviving 2Pac to negotiate record deals for Apple.

Maybe there'll be enough money left to pay Justin Bieber off to go back to Canada.

  • Bose doesn't get them a music subscription service.
  • Bose has an existing network of 160+ retail stores.
  • Bose has been headed steadily downmarket over the last two decades.
  • Bose has annual revenues in excess of $2B and (reportedly) solid margins on their products as well as patents and trademarks, meaning any acquisition of Bose would be far more expensive than ~$3B (if it were possible).
All that being said, any acquisition of Bose would be more or less impossible short of maybe Bose declaring Chapter 7 Bankruptcy:

"Under the terms of the gift, MIT cannot sell its Bose shares and will not participate in the management or governance of the company. Bose Corporation will remain a private and independent company, and operate as it always has, with no change in strategy or leadership."

Amar Bose ’51 makes stock donation to MIT
 
Thanks for trying to give your opinion as fact. Spoiler: It's not fact.

Some of the strongest hip hop - and art in general - has come out in the last few years including Kendrick Lamar's Good Kid, MAAD City,
Lupe Fiasco's Food & Liquor II, Wale's "The Gifted" and Childish Gambino's "Because The Internet".

Wrong.

COMMERCIAL hip-hop is garbage. But that's because it appeals to young, white, suburban kids who want to be sold a dream of being "hard" or "gangsta." If you don't believe me, look at any statistics on who actually buys hip-hop music.

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Lord have mercy...stop making sense. This is a FORUM, FFS....People can't nerdrage when you use facts and sense to analyze a subject....
 
No two people are worth 3.2 BILLION dollars (unless they are people who already have 3.2 BILLION dollars.)

Dre and Iovine are worth $1.5 billion net worth combined. :p

But seriously, this is not how deals are valued. I'm a finance analyst for a $5 billion software company (Intuit). We look at strategic acquisitions all the time and like Apple they are typically a number of smaller acquisitions as a play for key technologies that together in our stable have more value than being apart.

That's partly what this is about. But a nuance to this is that Beats/Dre/Iovine may not be worth $3.2 billion in, say, Microsoft's stable because Microsoft may or may not feel it has the moving pieces to make it worth taking them off the table from everyone else at such a price.

If Apple does, it's because their M&A analysts and consultants have identified that future returns on that investment are substantially in excess of $3.2 billion but only because of what they can do with it. What company XYZ can do with it is completely immaterial to Apple's valuation except as baseline for knowing how much over that do they have to be to guarantee that Beats will take their offer and not XYZ's.... especially if there's a chance that XYZ can throw out a similar number.

As Warren Buffett is known for saying, "Price is what you pay. Value is what you get." $3.2 billion is the price they may be floating, but the total value goes beyond just tangible book value of the assets involved or the current operating cash flows and includes, generally, an analysis of the future operating cash flows discounted to net present value.

Is it an exact science? Of course not. But such valuations usually are approached from three or four different methodologies and they take a best, worst and average case scenario of them to arrive at an offer based on whatever metrics make the most sense.

It's not dart throwing when there's this much money involved, unless it's a financial institution you're buying in which case there aren't any widgets to count and the "value" of a good chunk of the cash generating assets is highly questionable.
 
  • Bose doesn't get them a music subscription service.
  • Bose has an existing network of 160+ retail stores.
  • Bose has been headed steadily downmarket over the last two decades.
  • Bose has annual revenues in excess of $2B and (reportedly) solid margins on their products as well as patents and trademarks, meaning any acquisition of Bose would be far more expensive than ~$3B (if it were possible).
All that being said, any acquisition of Bose would be more or less impossible short of maybe Bose declaring Chapter 7 Bankruptcy:

"Under the terms of the gift, MIT cannot sell its Bose shares and will not participate in the management or governance of the company. Bose Corporation will remain a private and independent company, and operate as it always has, with no change in strategy or leadership."

Amar Bose ’51 makes stock donation to MIT

I like how your rebuttal doesn't get into the science behind reviving 2Pac.
 
Running a supply chain, and being chosen by Jobs does not make him a Genius CEO. What exactly has he done to improve Apple post Jobs, something he can be credited for? For me he is replying on the products Jobs was responsible for, and spec bumps and minor design changes to those products are not game changes.

And yes I have doubts about his long term vision for Apple if he is looking to acquire Beats.

Same tired arguments. Seems the only thing Tim Cook has done to piss people off is his full time role as Not Being Steve Jobs.
 
I do find the sentiment shown in a lot of posts on this topic pretty unnerving, to me it seems a lot of people here have problems not with the Beats brand itself, or the headphones, but the people that often buy the headphones. I've seen comments about trash and the urban crowd, and bad taste, and things like a keyboard modified to look like a gang shirt. Funny, I've only ever seen Beats products packaged almost exactly as Apple packages their products. Their design language and branding is actually very Apple-esque.

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I knew it! lol I've been thinking Beats' products looked very much like they could be made by Apple.

If you know a bit about design then you will know it is absolute incorrect, the industrial designer of Beats is Robert Brunner, not Jony Ive, other stuff was developed by Monster just to get the fact straight.

Just because things are stuffed in a fancy box, it does not make the product better or worse just more expensive. Fun though a box like the one Monster and Beat are using cost around $10.- to produce in China, but I guess you need a nice box to sell the product.

Check http://www.fastcompany.com/3030571/bottom-line/designer-of-beats-by-dre-on-asking-tough-questions
 
Apple revolutionizes the smart phone - yes.
Beats revolutionizes the headphone - no.
Beats revolutionizes headphone marketing - yes.
To reason why I say beats revolutionized the headphone market is because people that normally would not have purchased over the ear headphones are now buying them.
 
If you know a bit about design then you will know it is absolute incorrect, the industrial designer of Beats is Robert Brunner, not Jony Ive, other stuff was developed by Monster just to get the fact straight.

I think the reply you quoted was referring to the fact that Robert Brunner (who recruited Jonathan Ive) was once Chief of Industrial Design at Apple.
 
Bolded from your quote: Not liking Beats has nothing to do with racism. Nothing in your entire criticism of Beats had a racial component. You'd be labeled a racist if you made racist statements. Not sure how you make the leap from not liking Beats to possibly being labeled a racist.

I made that comment somewhat tongue in cheek, but honestly there are people who see racism in everything. I'd like to say it's a product of the current times, but it's always been true. Heck, it's routinely commented when people try to discuss problems with Obamacare. People that have issues with it are frequently regarded as being racially biased.

"If you are part of the large contingent of the American population that opposes Obamacare, it’s probably because you’re a racist." - Senator Rockefeller in a committee meeting on 5/21

No doubt he's saying this for political reasons, but it's still silly.
 
$280 buck for wireless headphones? That's as much of a rip-off as the Nokie Purity Pro. No one should have to spend that much cash on friggen headphones!
 
The biggest problem I see with Beats is having Dr. Dre part of Apple. First off, he leaked the deal with his drinking buddies on YouTube. Apple doesn't like that.
Dr. Dre represents the gangster rap community which I don't think Apple wants to have THAT culture as part of Apple's culture. Face it, if ANY Apple member of upper management went public and called women "Bitches" and their friends or people as "Niggas" as he commonly does his HIS own music and that of others that he produces, that person would be fired IMMEDIATELY. He's a known quantity with regards to that disgusting form of expression and really don't want Apple to accept that culture as part of theirs. Apple needs to get away from that mentality not accept it.

I'm sure there are other members of Apple upper management that do NOT want to get near Dr. Dre. He's a liability that Apple's simply doesn't need.

As far as headphones are concerned, Apple doesn't NEED that line of business, but only to prevent Google from buying them. Beats music hasn't proved that they can create a profitable music subscription service. In fact, the content sales, rental and subscription service business model simply doesn't make good margins. Apple has to watch that even with iTunes.

Dr.Dre hasn't released an album in 15 years.Hes been a record exec. And producer for all types of artist.So he's not a gangster rapper.
 
I just love the armchair/keyboard CEOs telling everyone about Tim Cook's imminent downfall and what really bad business acumen he must have! :D

FWIW, I'm a white UK guy in my 40s.

When I heard Apple might be buying Beats, the first things that popped into my head were:

  • Streaming Service & great access to music labels via Iovine.
  • Improved head/earphones.
  • Some kind of tie in with iWatch (i actually think tnis will play a BIG part in this.

Other than that, I don't have anything! :p
 
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Still? This has happened before? I must say a lot of closet racists came out of the woodwork on this beats thing.

Oh yes! They flock in droves over in PRSI. It's surprising to see it in the News forums.

It's one thing to say that I have "X" feelings about "Y" group of people.

It's another thing to say "X" group of people can't say "Y" about whites because it makes me feel uncomfortable. Which Mums is saying and is the root of white privilege.
 
I'm amazed the sheer amount of hate that's going on here.

But then again that's normal before anything big - the iPod was royally hated by MacRumors members when it came out, the whole internet thought that iPad was the stupidest name ever and it was "just a big iPod touch."

Something I've learned is that the more controversial an idea Apple has, the more likely it'll be a good decision :p

Agreed. Too much fake futurecasting going on here. No one knows how the future will turn out in terms of this acquisition being a good or bad thing....but Apple / Tim didn't wake up one day and just feel like burning 3.2 Billion away.

This site maybe should be re-named to "Read, Complain, Still Eventually Purchase."
 
Ok I think just about vomited my dinner. So basically Apple is turning into a fashion company and using Beats to try and inject "cool" into the company, while also pandering to African-Americans and teenagers. #vomit

and you separated African Americans from teenagers because....? So people of african descent can't be teenagers? You speak of them as if they are some separate species or so.
 
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