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oh, it will
maybe not right away, but its only a matter of time before EU is pissed enough so the devices are either open or GTFO
Yes, the EU can force Apple to do whatever they want, but they should also be careful not to keep pissing iPhone users too much.
 
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Right it's not an app, so of course they wouldn't have to pay Apple. That was never in question. This discussion is about native apps and the app store. The entire reason they went with the browser method is precisely because MS and their customers would've had to pay Apple.
Microsoft never intended to make native apps. They wanted to compete in the App Store with other game developers that did make native apps. So Apple's requirement that Microsoft submit each game individually was supporting fair competition within the App Store, i.e., Microsoft wasn't allowed to undercut those sellers that had taken the time/expense to port the games to native iOS format.
 
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This is so hilarious. Does this law apply to PS5? Anyone know the scope and how they choose the scope?

It does not as it only applies to "Gatekeepers". Specifically, the PS5 would need "at least 45 million monthly active end users established or located in the Union and at least 10 000 yearly active business users established in the Union" to qualify.

The regulation has the details on the criteria and also this article has a summary.
 
Next thing I will ask why, you will say extensions, and we will end at ad blockers, right? Or now you will say you are not running an ad blocker?
ad blocker is available also for Safari. Uh shocker! Extension for "thieves" supported and appreciated by Apple. Somehow breaks your logic, right?

No, I actually want just full featured browser. Not crippled Safari. Not everything works best in Safari.

Again, projection. You know what I want before I say it. Will you projecting stuff ever ends or this is just how you discuss normally?

You can still buy Gameboy cheap, you know, if you own games :D Phone can't replace the authentic experience of the games you own, right?
Apple does a 100% right thing to not allow emulators on the platform. It's a grey area. They can't check if you own a game or not. Not exactly illegal, but they get smacked by IP owners regularly.
I have Gameboy, thank you. And iPhone can't replace authentic experience fully, you are completely right. But still even with your suggestion I would like to have possibility to play these Gameboys in my pocket.

Now, you were saying I'm stealing from somebody when emulating my previously bought games, right? Your logic is again quite interesting right there. What kind of mental gymnastics must one use to get your conclusion?
 
Try selling your brand in say Costco and see if you can get away without paying any fees. “Rentseeking” is an absolutely justified term for a justified fee.
Your analogy is incredibly bad.

This is akin to opening a store on your own property in another state and being expected to pay Cosco and needing Cosco to approve everything you sell.

Cosco/Apple is your direct competitor. It's utterly insane that they would have any power like this at all.

In this context, Apple's services are of dubious value. Nobody has asked for them. And yet they expect to collect 27%.

For what? For making and selling the iPhone? They already collected money from the customers for that. For making the iPhone SDK? They already charge an annual developer fee for that. What on earth is this 27% fee for? It's not for hosting or distributing the app, because they don't. It's not for payment processing fees, because they don't. The only thing they're doing it is "reviewing" it.

Is Apple really a company you want to have "review" your software?

1. They're your competitor.
2. They can't even maintain the quality of their own software. Nobody trusts Apple to get anything right on version 1 anymore.

If customers want Apple to review the software, fine - let customers opt into that (by choosing to use the iOS App Store). But neither the merchant nor the customer have requested this service. It's rentseeking. It's a monopoly. It's a Mafia style "protection" fee.
 
You don't have to buy everything you see in every ad. But by skipping sponsored block you completely remove the ability to communicate with you about the product you might not need today, but might need at some point in future.
I really sincerely hope that you forcefully watch all the ads on the streets, not to miss a one, because that would remove the ability to communicate with you about the product you might not need today, but might need at some point in the future.
 
People want something for nothing. In this case, it's all of Apple's development tools (Xcode, etc), plus the right to use their IP (all the frameworks and APIs like UIKit/SwiftUI). Building and maintaining these costs money. They are free because they are subsidized by the annual developer fee and the commission. Before the App Store, they were subsidized by a much higher annual developer program fee (up to $3499!) and charging $129 for Mac OS X. If you want Apple to get rid of the commission, prepare for prices elsewhere to go up.
 
Consoles don't have a monopoly. There are a multitude of competitors in home gaming: PlayStation, Xbox, Nintendo, PC and Mac at the bare minimum.
Nobody has a monopoly. Game developers have a lot of different choices when it comes to selling their products. Multi-platform development is more common than not.

Example: Epic developed Fortnite for PC/console originally. It was a huge success on those platforms. Later on, Epic decided to maximize revenue by porting Fortnite to iOS/Android. It was successful on mobile too, but not to the degree that it was on PC/console. I think iOS/Android combined was about 15% of their total revenue from Fortnite.
 
I feel like the most logical implementation is something similar to Gatekeeper on the Mac. Certificates to identify the developers and make sure apps are legitimate. This helps handle pretty much everything Apple would want and allow for them to block apps by pulling certs. Theoretically. Plus they do it on the Mac by default already.

Except that on our Macs we can still install any piece of software, Apple just gives us a warning if it does not have a certificate. If they implement a similar system on the AppStore, this will be fine by me. The closer to the current macOS setup, the better.
 
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Will be interesting to see Apple’s actual plan and what regulators think of it. Based on what's being reported here, this would seem to flout the spirit of the law. The only material difference from the status quo would appear to be the server the app is hosted on. Does anyone really think the DMA was passed just so that devs could host apps off of Apple's servers?
As started in this and many other articles, Apple have worked with thr EU on the regulation so I’d imagine they have a far better understanding of it than you. The regulation is about the ability to sideload not that Apple shouldn’t be paid for the use of their services.
 
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People want something for nothing. In this case, it's all of Apple's development tools (Xcode, etc), plus the right to use their IP (all the frameworks and APIs like UIKit/SwiftUI). Building and maintaining these costs money. They are free because they are subsidized by the annual developer fee and the commission. Before the App Store, they were subsidized by a much higher annual developer program fee (up to $3499!) and charging $129 for Mac OS X. If you want Apple to get rid of the commission, prepare for prices elsewhere to go up.
Now they change 4X-10X the cost of ram and storage upgrades on there hardware. So they are makeing up for Mac OS X being free.
Also with windows OEM sales in large volumes is like $15-$25 per system.
Google changes devs much lower fees then apple to be able to load apps into there store.
 
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ad blocker is available also for Safari
Come on, don't pretend you have no idea I'm talking about uBlock. Safari doesn't block everything.

Again, projection.
Nah, we already figured out you are stealing from content creators. How can it "again" be a projection.

you were saying I'm stealing from somebody when emulating my previously bought games
"Previously bought games" are always used as a final excuse for sideloading and most of the time people just want to pirate games. Can't deny or confirm your words, neither me or Apple. So not allowing emulation is morally right.
Get Android, emulate, Apple is not a monopoly.
 
Not sure what all the surprise is here. This was about being able to sideload. Ok here you go. Absolutely nothing says Apple can’t get paid for hosting companies products. Apple will still get its 100% deserved commission/reimbursement for its platform hosting expenses.
lol, no. The whole point of this law was to prevent gate keepers from leeching money, and to force competition over the Apple tax.
 
Reading this article after the Spotify one was brilliant.

Bet their heads have exploded!
Really. Spotify absolutely hate Apple. I bet every time Daniel Ek sees an Apple product, he seethes with pure venom.

He thought EU lawmakers had finally changed the law to give him what he wants and beat down big, bad Apple. Turns out, no.

I’m sure he’s going through all the stages of grief right now. Fuming, ranting, raving, crying, etc.
 
So you taking someone else's money is their own fault. :D

It's not their money until they earn it and there is no obligation on a viewer to have them earn said money.

It's not a difficult concept: you cannot argue you are owned something unless you are actually owned something and if there is no obligation you are owned exactly nothing.

Again, there is no legal nor moral obligation for a viewer to watch any specific part of a video, regardless of the financial consequences on the content creator.
 
I feel like the most logical implementation is something similar to Gatekeeper on the Mac. Certificates to identify the developers and make sure apps are legitimate.
Who defines the criteria for what is “legitimate”? The issue is that Apple has been much too restrictive and arbitrary in what it allows, while still letting a lot of scam apps through.
 
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“This is just three percent lower than its default fee”

No, it is not. It is three percent points lower.
30% minus 3 percent points = 27 percent
30% minus 3 percent (3 percent of 30 is 0.9) = 29.1 percent.

The difference between percent & percent point should be known by every journalist.
 
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Google changes devs much lower fees then apple to be able to load apps into there store.
Because their store is much less lucrative for devs than Apple's, so charging 99 will just turn devs away completely.
Don't think they wouldn't charge 99 if they could or they are not charging as much just because they are kind.

Also 99/yr is not much money for IT.
 
Come on, don't pretend you have no idea I'm talking about uBlock. Safari doesn't block everything.
AdBlock is readily available on App Store and even promoted in the most downloaded Safari extensions by Apple.
So you're wrong here.


Nah, we already figured out you are stealing from content creators. How can it "again" be a projection.
We? So now you're not just projecting stuff but also talking for others? Are these others in the room with us now?

"Previously bought games" are always used as a final excuse for sideloading and most of the time people just want to pirate games. Can't deny or confirm your words, neither me or Apple. So not allowing emulation is morally right.
Get Android, emulate, Apple is not a monopoly.
How can I pirate something that I've already bought? Again, what kind of mental gymnastics are you using?

Get Android, emulate, Apple is not a monopoly.
It's all right, I'll wait for the EU to smack down the Apple with fines for not following the DMA and use my emulators properly and legally on my iPhone. But thank you for your suggestion again. Lot of suggestions from you today.
 
Looks like the EU’s Digital Markets Act is dead on arrival.

Reading this article after the Spotify one was brilliant.
Maybe you should have read the source article:

Apple hasn’t provided a final package describing its solution to the commission or tested its plans with market participants.

Once it does, the commission will review the full package to look at whether it will make the market more open and contestable, and whether the company’s plans meet all the individual provisions of the law, according to a person familiar with its plans.

MacRumors’ reporting tends to be somewhat …selective.
 
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remove the ability to communicate with you about the product you might not need today, but might need at some point in future.
You mean the tenth VPN service, that is much better than the other nine I already signed up for? Or the $50 per sip supplement that will make me look like a model? Or maybe the Bitcoin trading account that will make me rich like Elon Musk?
 
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