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You have no idea what I know and where I have worked.

Bugs "being part of the process", is what is called "low expectations". As long as the majority have "low expectations" Apple will not spend the money to minimize bugs. Meaning that as long as customers accept bugs, there is no reason to fix them. Which exactly explains why Apple ignores a lot of bugs until the media calls out the bug.

A lot of children grow up to be criminals. Raising children with low expectations implies that a parent would feel that it is ok for their children to commit criminal acts. That also happens a lot and is one reason why we have so many criminals.

People tend to raise to expectations, which is why it is good to have high expectations.

In Apple's case we pay a premium price and should expect premium performance, including not having to put up with stupid and easily preventable bugs.
If adding new features and changing the code base was so easy, Apple wouldnt release Beta testing versions widely and encourage bug reporting. They'd just change code and through it out to the wild.

And often they discuss coming features that get delayed or not added.
It's not about low expectations for quality.

Apple is hardly the bad parent with criminal children you allude to... ;)
 
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Haha no. Only in the US they still use SMS or care about the colour of message bubbles. The rest of the world has moved on to cross platform solutions long ago.

It's still funny to see people discussing the merits of primitive or platform locked (and also primitive, let me know when replies to iMessages are as readable as on WhatsApp) messaging solutions.
Most places moved on because they got charged per SMS message by their carrier. Here in America, SMS is free and unlimited, unless it is a very basic plan.
 
There is nothing rcs will do for me that I can’t already do. I already have all those features with iMessage and if I unfortunately have to talk with someone with android I have sms and if I need to send a video I use one of the ten other messaging apps on my phone.

I don’t get why android users on MR or pro-rcs fans get so sensitive when I and others say we don’t care about rcs, don’t need it, and are turning it off.
Lol, no one is sensitive and why are you assuming people pointing out your hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance are android users? I suspect others find you a bit incredulous. This is all even more ironic given you also use android.

RCS is replacing SMS, it may not be immediate as few things are, but you are in denial if you think otherwise.
 
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Because I’m fine with how iOS you’re bothered by that? Lmao.

If it’s fisher price then go get android. It cracks me up when you guys complain about apple but refuse to go to an alternative.
Of course that’s your attitude unfortunately you can’t stop innovation like RCS or AI because that’s the way tech scene is heading no matter how hard you cry about these features get implemented.
It’s not IOS 6 anymore go back to the Stone Age if that’s what you want
 
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Nope. RCS was conceived almost 20 years ago, and implemented by mobile carriers not long after that. Apple isn't stupid.
I beg to differ, they claim to invent crap all the time that's been out for years. They aren't that stupid. They just think we are.
 
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I beg to differ, they claim to invent crap all the time that's been out for years. They aren't that stupid. They just think we are.
You clearly don't understand how Apple works. They know that they are the first to do it and never say they invented it. And they are presumptuous with this but are saying they are doing it better ...
 
If adding new features and changing the code base was so easy, Apple wouldnt release Beta testing versions widely and encourage bug reporting. They'd just change code and through it out to the wild.

And often they discuss coming features that get delayed or not added.
It's not about low expectations for quality.

Apple is hardly the bad parent with criminal children you allude to... ;)
I never alluded that Apple is any kind of parent at all. The problem is low expectations from Apple users and developers. Apple will do whatever they can get away with, that is the nature of corporations.

I've managed a lot of code development, including code that could kill people if buggy, and it has been my experience that it is always the developers that graduated at the bottom half of the class that use the excuse "All software has bugs." They also tended to produce software that had more bugs than their higher quality counterparts.
 
Lol, no one is sensitive and why are you assuming people pointing out your hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance are android users? I suspect others find you a bit incredulous. This is all even more ironic given you also use android.

RCS is replacing SMS, it may not be immediate as few things are, but you are in denial if you think otherwise.
Apple is quite possibly the only reason that RCS has not replaced SMS already.
 
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There are a few reasons why I use Android and not an iPhone.
1) price, iPhones are so much more expensive than a lot of Android phones and I don't need an expensive phone,
2) I did not have a Mac until last year and I have had my Android phone just over 3 years now and I am not going to replace it unless I really have

3) I am not a fan of IOS, had a muck around with it a few times, but I prefer the way Android looks and work.

To be honest, if there was a decent linux based phone that had the apps I needed and at a decent price, I would go for that. The same as a computer, if there was the software i needed on Linux, then I would have gone for Linux and not a Mac.

As for RCS, I can understand why it is there, Google wanted a message system to act like WhatsApp and Imessage, the problem is very few network providers supported it, well not in the UK. there are some now, but I think they are only the main networks, I don't think any of the virtual networks, like smarty, who I am with supports it.
This is why Google had to step in and is why RCS messages will go through Google network.

I don't know how true it is, but I heard that the majority of people in the U.S. use WhatsApp anyway, so RCS on Iphone or Android is not going to make much difference.

A lot of people in the U.K still use SMS or some form of it and while WhatsApp is popular here, I don't think it gets the same amount of use as in the U.S.
I don't use WhatsApp myself, never found the need for it, I have a third party SMS app called Textra, Mainly because I like the way I can delay a message.

SMS is what it says on the tine, a short messaging service, allows me to send messages to people, without all the rubbish that we get these days with a million emojis and photos and that sort of thing. I have email if they want to send photos or videos.


I doubt I will ever get an iPhone, I normally keep my phones for as long as I can and then buy cheap again, mine cost me £130 and is a great phone, also having less power, i doubt any AI stuff will be chucked on it.

As for AI on the new MacOS, i expect that will only work on the newer macs, so my Mac mini2 pro will not be able to use it, hopefully, otherwise I will just aty on MacOS 14.
So there are a few things to note.
RCS is Google’s answer to the fact that's impossible to change the current establishment regarding messaging apps and what people use no matter how good your app is, no matter how big and how much money you have. Google learned this the hard way so they turned to what's essentially the next step after SMS, Google didn't invest RCS and RCS isn't even a new idea but they felt this is something they can be successful for them and they were right, now with Apple's adoption to RCS its clear that Google’s bet on RCS worked.

Another thing, RCS works automatically on Android smartphones, it doesn't need support for carriers (although recently carries actually started supporting Google’s RCS rather than their own version). Maybe at the beginning 5-7 years ago when Google started pushing RCS there were some problems, it didin't work on some phones, you needed to activate it or install Google messages , but in the last few years these issues were solved.

Regarding WhatsApp, it's the most popular messaging app in UK by far, way more popular than in the US although WhatsApp is growing in the US.

There's no reason to use Textra in 2024, you can very easily schedule messages with Google Messages, which is the default messaging app anyway and you also get E2E encryption if you have RCS turned On and use it to comunicate with other Android users. Textra is just another third party holder of sensitive data when there are already more than too many.
 
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I beg to differ, they claim to invent crap all the time that's been out for years. They aren't that stupid. They just think we are.
Can you list a dozen or so things Apple has publicly claimed to have *invented* (with a citation) where that's clearly not the case?

Just to pick something out of the air... The MacOS GUI was inspired by what Jobs saw at Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research Center). But I don't believe Apple ever claimed the GUI was their invention. Ditto the mouse (invented by Doug Englebart at SRI).
 
RCS is Google’s answer to the fact that's impossible to change the current establishment regarding messaging apps and what people use no matter how good your app is, no matter how big and how much money you have. Google learned this the hard way so they turned to what's essentially the next step after SMS, Google didn't invest RCS and RCS isn't even a new idea but they felt this is something they can be successful for them and they were right, now with Apple's adoption to RCS its clear that Google’s bet on RCS worked.
If it gets people to to stop whining about what color their bubbles are, I'm all for adding it to Messages app.
 
I never alluded that Apple is any kind of parent at all. The problem is low expectations from Apple users and developers. Apple will do whatever they can get away with, that is the nature of corporations.

I've managed a lot of code development, including code that could kill people if buggy, and it has been my experience that it is always the developers that graduated at the bottom half of the class that use the excuse "All software has bugs." They also tended to produce software that had more bugs than their higher quality counterparts.
What I find funny about this is the expectations are so high people freak out over bugs. No matter what you do you will get bugs it is just part of the process, they are never fun and I guarantee Apple takes a lot of steps to prevent them from making it to a release, but stuff will still get missed with these massive systems.
 
Can you list a dozen or so things Apple has publicly claimed to have *invented* (with a citation) where that's clearly not the case?

Just to pick something out of the air... The MacOS GUI was inspired by what Jobs saw at Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research Center). But I don't believe Apple ever claimed the GUI was their invention. Ditto the mouse (invented by Doug Englebart at SRI).
Some people take comments without the humor intended. The Android community has running gags at every keynote things that Apple says they have done but are not original. That's all I meant. I'm sorry that you didn't get it.
 
Some people take comments without the humor intended. The Android community has running gags at every keynote things that Apple says they have done but are not original. That's all I meant. I'm sorry that you didn't get it.

Humor? Where was that? Referring to Apple: "I beg to differ, they claim to invent crap all the time that's been out for years."

No worries and certainly no need to apologize. My mistake for believing you were stating truth/facts. I'll know better next time.
 
I think Google has panicked and overreacted to openAI and is actively tanking their bread and butter product (search) over AI. I don't think Apple will make the same mistake, not that they could even if they wanted to, being so far behind.

At the same time, it seems evident now they've been on the wrong track with the car and vision pro. We're going to find out how nimble they are and how fast they can course correct

In the meantime, the best thing they can do to improve user experience on the iPhone is to improve the damn keyboard. It's not Siri bad, but it's pretty bad
 
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Of course that’s your attitude unfortunately you can’t stop innovation like RCS or AI because that’s the way tech scene is heading no matter how hard you cry about these features get implemented.
It’s not IOS 6 anymore go back to the Stone Age if that’s what you want
I can if given the options. You can turn off rcs on android. Millions do it because it’s unreliable for them. I’d be shocked if you can’t on IOS. It’s apple. They aren’t going to do more than bare minimum.

I don’t have to use AI. it’s a choice.

I would love to go back to iOS 6 when apple wasn’t being forced to conform to android standards.
 
RCS just replaces the protocol used for green bubble messages (SMS/MMS). It will be invisible to you. All the iMessage stuff will still work in blue bubble chats. But your green bubble chats will get better. They already cannot use Apple Pay or iMessage apps or sharing location. But they also cannot have message groups with more than like 16 people nor can they send full quality photos and videos.

There is NO disadvantage for using RCS over SMS/MMS. But OF COURSE you would NOT use it in place of iMessage.

Green bubbles get better — blue bubbles are still best. RCS is a total win.
This person wants to convert people to iPhone. They want to make things actively worse for Android users. RCS works against their agenda. They keep saying they don't care, but it's clear they're keen on maintaining some kind of digital caste system.

I thought the whole green and blue bubble thing was just a thing with teenagers and overblown by the media. Maybe not.
 
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I can if given the options. You can turn off rcs on android. Millions do it because it’s unreliable for them. I’d be shocked if you can’t on IOS. It’s apple. They aren’t going to do more than bare minimum.

I don’t have to use AI. it’s a choice.

I would love to go back to iOS 6 when apple wasn’t being forced to conform to android standards.
Scott forstall called he wants to know if you want to go back to 2012
The sad situation is Apple are going to bake this stuff into iOS 18 & your deliberately not going to implement them which is key to the whole experience of the new operating system.
My question is why upgrade to iOS 18 if your not going to use it & stay on iOS 17
If your so backward thinking
 
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