Good point.
Plus I will probably sell it after a year anyways and get the newest Broadwell's.
In daily use I have noticed no IR whatsoever - and everything else about the laptop is perfect.
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Good point.
Plus I will probably sell it after a year anyways and get the newest Broadwell's.
In daily use I have noticed no IR whatsoever - and everything else about the laptop is perfect.
User reviews are often worse tbh.
People have a strong tendency to write favorably about products they bought for their money. Since all want to "defend" their buy, this is a very studied effect, and there are some really interesting articles about it if people are interested
Good point.
Plus I will probably sell it after a year anyways and get the newest Broadwell's.
In daily use I have noticed no IR whatsoever - and everything else about the laptop is perfect.
Agreed. These are really the key points to take away.
It's similar to the fact that you could die tomorrow in a horrific car crash, or that one in a million chance you are in a plane crash. Do you stay at home forever until you die? Or do you take your chances and see how far life takes you?
Not to equate a rMBP to life, but the point stands that in the end, Apple tends to make things right with its users, provided you are within the warranty (and maybe some exceptions if you are out). So in the mean time, while you are NOT experiencing IR, feel free to enjoy the display for as long as it takes you. It's something that I've come to terms with myself very recently.
Ugh, my Haswell 13'' rMBP passes the IR test after 10 minutes...
But today I decided to leave the test up for 20 minutes, and surely enough, I saw image retention, faint, but it was there.
WHAT DO I DO? Return it or keep it?
What's the model number given in ColorSync?
(open ColorSync, scroll down to bottom, item "17", 'mmod', then model (A018, A020, or something else?)
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Ugh, my Haswell 13'' rMBP passes the IR test after 10 minutes...
But today I decided to leave the test up for 20 minutes, and surely enough, I saw image retention, faint, but it was there.
WHAT DO I DO? Return it or keep it?
All LCD screens will exhibit IR eventually (Barco have a whitepaper on this). 20minutes of the black-white pattern is quite extreme and not likely to be an issue in real world usage. I would wait and see.
What is the panel model?
I'm also pointing to this thread which contains some facts and conjectures based on educated guesses (rather than the huge amount of uneducated guesses) on the matter:
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=18273789#post18273789
Yep. Otherwise stuff like the Dock would cause IR after several hours of computer use (which it hasn't for me).
There was someone here that had an early 2013 panel.
I guess it makes sense if you think about it. Apple must tell LG I need x amount of panels by Oct 2013, so they probably started to make them around that time.
I guess it makes sense if you think about it. Apple must tell LG I need x amount of panels by Oct 2013, so they probably started to make them around that time.
Just got my new 13 rmbp.
I wont run the test. Fell into that trap with imac 27 late 2012. Got two replacements sent while i kept my old one. All had light leaks, uneven whites etc and ended up keeping my original imac.
I never notice the IR in real usage on my inac. Only when i do the test. I'm happy with it.
The 13 in real usage is perfect. Lovely computer.
I bought applecare and will ask for a screen replacement when and if issues surface. I will probably only keep the laptop for 2 years anyway.
Enjoy the 13rmpb. Its a lovely machine!
I wont run the test. Fell into that trap with imac 27 late 2012. Got two replacements sent while i kept my old one. All had light leaks, uneven whites etc and ended up keeping my original imac.
I never notice the IR in real usage on my inac. Only when i do the test. I'm happy with it.
The 13 in real usage is perfect. Lovely computer.
I bought applecare and will ask for a screen replacement when and if issues surface. I will probably only keep the laptop for 2 years anyway.
Enjoy the 13rmpb. Its a lovely machine!
Plus the 15" rMBP originally came out in June 2012. Six months may be enough time to improve quality control for the next generation or for warranty service.
Not sure if they started making 13" screens around then though.----------
There's currently no command that will produce that on the 13". However, if you have the ability to photograph the subpixels on your display, Samsung and LG panels have slight differences in those subpixels. Thus, you may be able to tell definitively that way.
Once we have more data, the model number (A018 or A020) should be all that's needed.
Ugh, my Haswell 13'' rMBP passes the IR test after 10 minutes...
But today I decided to leave the test up for 20 minutes, and surely enough, I saw image retention, faint, but it was there.
WHAT DO I DO? Return it or keep it?
I'll just add my two engineering cents back to the mix.
IR after 20 minutes of an extreme pattern is not unexpected. My high quality NEC 2690WUXi does the same thing. The people with "real" problems are those that get IR after 1-2 minutes, or that do some word processing and see the last image on the screen after a short period of time (.e.g minutes, not hours).
After reading this entire thread, I have a hard time believing Apple is STILL using panels from 2012.
Has anyone compared the screen flex cable on the 2012 rMBP & newest 2013 rMBP? I would assume that since Apple re-worked the inside of the 2013 rMBP, they would have to update the flex cable ...Unless they manufacture the panels, then attach them to the flex cables? (last step of production)
(I always thought they were manufactured in one "step"?)
or maybe Apple just took the same "part" number, and carried it onto the updated 2013 line?
Has anyone compared the screen flex cable on the 2012 rMBP & newest 2013 rMBP? I would assume that since Apple re-worked the inside of the 2013 rMBP, they would have to update the flex cable ...Unless they manufacture the panels, then attach them to the flex cables? (last step of production)
(I always thought they were manufactured in one "step"?)
or maybe Apple just took the same "part" number, and carried it onto the updated 2013 line?
I just received my 13' retina and it is a a018, 0610. Im pretty choked, paid $2000 and there using these old panels. Do you think I would be able to change my computer down the line? If not im contemplating returning it for a 15'. I haven't ran the test yet, how does one do it?
Thanks
Thanks
http://www.marco.org/rmbp-irtest.html
I wouldn't jump to conclusions yet. There's a possibility that A018 is a Samsung panel due to the subpixel layout. Samsungs have traditionally been less likely to have image retention. Even if it's an LG panel, I trust Apple to make me whole by replacing the panel if it happens to me.
(FWIW, my 13" passed the 10 minute test above.)
I just picked up my mbpr from apple after they replaced my panel. Got another LG but no yellowish tint what so ever. My first screen was good up from Jan 13' to Aug 13' and then started doing IR and ghosting really bad. Hopefully this one doesn't do the same...if it does.....glad i got apple care because it will go back in.
I asked the tech for Samsung when i dropped it off in which he told me they have no power in which panel apple sends them for replacement.
I asked the tech for Samsung when i dropped it off in which he told me they have no power in which panel apple sends them for replacement.
Amen. I had the IR problem on my (2012) rMBP and got the screen replaced a couple of weeks ago, after two or three months of watching the problem devolve from a minor irritation to a major obstruction... but even when it was at its most negligible, it was always noticeable on its own. Like the above poster said, if you need to put up a checkerboard for 20 minutes in order to see any hint of IR on your screen, then it's really not a problem. If and when your screen does present with the IR issue, you definitely won't need a test to see it.
I ran the test and I found a little IR in the lower right corner. I can live with that since I never notice it during normal use.
On the other hand I paid a lot of money for the macbook and I can still return it. I also occasionally have the "freeze bug" with the keyboard and the trackpad, but that is from Mavericks, right?
Never change a running system! I am a little worried another macbook pro would be even worse.
What do you guys say??
On the other hand I paid a lot of money for the macbook and I can still return it. I also occasionally have the "freeze bug" with the keyboard and the trackpad, but that is from Mavericks, right?
Never change a running system! I am a little worried another macbook pro would be even worse.
What do you guys say??
Many people report that image retention that is light at first gets severe months later. Trackpad problems is Mavericks.
I took my July 2012 rMBP in yesterday to look at the image retention, the genius was really helpful - did the test and decided in a split second that the screen would be replaced. To be fair it was quite bad and I was fed up of being able to see dock icons when I was on my dashboard. He also said the samsung screens actually have as many problems as the LG
Very pleased I have AppleCare - he showed me on his ipad that a new screen is £414 without VAT and labour!
Very pleased I have AppleCare - he showed me on his ipad that a new screen is £414 without VAT and labour!