Thanks. I was searching the same information since many months. Thanks for your hard work.
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Retina Image Retention
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Oh, thanks. You mean week 48 of 2012* right?
Would that increase my chance of a screen with image retention issues? Or is it not a factor really?
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Yep, typo.
It might, but without any way to determine whether an individual 13" screen is LG or Samsung, we don't know. I was going to see about making a Linux LiveUSB stick to see if the lack of serial number information is an issue with the OSX display drivers or if the 13" display is simply not exporting that information at all.Yes, I have the late 2013 13 inch model with display apparently manufactured in 2012. After running the test, I get "mild" image retention in the left portion of my screen. It fades after about 30 seconds and isn't noticeable unless I am on a gray background. However, my question is, if this is normal and if I should be concerned that any amount of image retention is apparent this early on. I have read many accounts of individuals with this issue and learned that it often gets worse. Should I go ahead and try and exchange the laptop? Ultimately, I am looking for facts, although opinions are welcome.
I have the late 2013 rMBP 13'' as well, and got "3016," so it looks like mine was manufactured in 2012 also. However, I ran the IR test on max brightness for the full 10 minutes and had no IR at all. Hopefully it stays that way... :/
Like I mentioned above, I'm not too worried. This is more a FYI type of deal. If it does happen to me during the three years of AppleCare they'll either replace with a screen produced a lot later than 2012, or if they have to do it too many times they might just replace my machine altogether.
That said, if it's already happening, exchange it right now.
Like I mentioned above, I'm not too worried. This is more a FYI type of deal. If it does happen to me during the three years of AppleCare they'll either replace with a screen produced a lot later than 2012, or if they have to do it too many times they might just replace my machine altogether.
That said, if it's already happening, exchange it right now.
Yep yep, thanks & agreed.
Like I mentioned above, I'm not too worried. This is more a FYI type of deal. If it does happen to me during the three years of AppleCare they'll either replace with a screen produced a lot later than 2012, or if they have to do it too many times they might just replace my machine altogether.
That said, if it's already happening, exchange it right now.
Agreed 100%!
Like I mentioned above, I'm not too worried. This is more a FYI type of deal. If it does happen to me during the three years of AppleCare they'll either replace with a screen produced a lot later than 2012, or if they have to do it too many times they might just replace my machine altogether.
That said, if it's already happening, exchange it right now.
Right, well I will attempt a return tomorrow. This will be my second return to the same store. The first time I returned a late 2013 13 inch mid spec due to the yellow screen issue for a high spec with image retention. Damn, I do not want to be that guy. But I find spending $1700 for a subpar experience and a potentially defective machine hard to swallow.
FYI, the EDID information is the exact same on Ubuntu. (Also, Ubuntu detected everything but the AirPort card. Impressive.) We can probably correlate Samsung and LG panels, or at least which are more likely to have problems, based on the A0__ string and production date.
For having followed large parts of the 500+ page thread on this at Apple Support Communities, I can tell you that there are few facts available. But there are distinct trends. On the gen. 1 models, once you get IR initially there is a very strong probability that it will get worse. Now the thread seems to have gone a bit south, but the first 200 pages are an interesting read.
If they're still using late 2012 panels then this all but confirms that IR is still an issue for late 2013 MB Pro's
I think it may be prudent for people to wait until that batch is exhausted and they move on to the newer (and hopefully) better 2013 LG panels.
I think it may be prudent for people to wait until that batch is exhausted and they move on to the newer (and hopefully) better 2013 LG panels.
If they're still using late 2012 panels then this all but confirms that IR is still an issue for late 2013 MB Pro's
I think it may be prudent for people to wait until that batch is exhausted and they move on to the newer (and hopefully) better 2013 LG panels.
If everyone waits then they'll never exhaust that batch.
Seriously though, this might only be a problem on the 13" models. I don't think anyone's tried to pull the manufacture date yet for 15".
Must have LG eyes
Hmmm... I wonder if you returned it to play the lottery, would you get Samsung's jaundice eyes instead?
If they're still using late 2012 panels then this all but confirms that IR is still an issue for late 2013 MB Pro's
I think it may be prudent for people to wait until that batch is exhausted and they move on to the newer (and hopefully) better 2013 LG panels.
Who said there is a better batch ? As far as we know they are all bad for the moment.
I just received my new rMBP 2.3/16mb/1TB 15", and it has an LG screen (A019).
I did the image retention test - none that I can see.
It also doesn't have any yellow splotching, thankfully.
The screen is definitely on the warm side out of the box (so more yellowish), so I did a custom calibration using the Apple Calibration tool and made it warmer (added a little blue.)
Looks perfect now. Although I'm having a hard time adjusting to the screen. It's making my eyes tired! (I came from a 2009 MBP)
I did the image retention test - none that I can see.
It also doesn't have any yellow splotching, thankfully.
The screen is definitely on the warm side out of the box (so more yellowish), so I did a custom calibration using the Apple Calibration tool and made it warmer (added a little blue.)
Looks perfect now. Although I'm having a hard time adjusting to the screen. It's making my eyes tired! (I came from a 2009 MBP)
Just got back from the apple store with an exchange on the 13 inch high end model. As far as I can tell, the screen seems to be of a more even, albeit yellow, color. Although there still seems to be a sort of blue halo right under the camera. After running the image retention test for 1 min at full brightness, some "mild" image retention occurred on the left portion of the screen. This disappeared completely within 20 seconds.
The display is a020. I am currently considering returning the device tomorrow or waiting a week or so, incase the store gets new stock. Thoughts?
The display is a020. I am currently considering returning the device tomorrow or waiting a week or so, incase the store gets new stock. Thoughts?
Are you looking at the screen when doing the test? Your eyes themselves will develop IR if you do that.
Ugh, my Haswell 13'' rMBP passes the IR test after 10 minutes...
But today I decided to leave the test up for 20 minutes, and surely enough, I saw image retention, faint, but it was there.
WHAT DO I DO? Return it or keep it? Is it guaranteed to get worse over time?
But today I decided to leave the test up for 20 minutes, and surely enough, I saw image retention, faint, but it was there.
WHAT DO I DO? Return it or keep it?
Is it guaranteed to get worse over time? Might as well just get an MBA. Or play the display lottery and try to find a 15" rMBP with a Samsung display. Or just don't get one at all. The issue has clearly gotten in your head and taken hold. Why continue to torture yourself over it?
If you insist on buying a 13" rMBP you're just gonna have to take a leap of faith because there are no guarantees at this point nor will there be a week from now.
Ugh, my Haswell 13'' rMBP passes the IR test after 10 minutes...
But today I decided to leave the test up for 20 minutes, and surely enough, I saw image retention, faint, but it was there.
WHAT DO I DO? Return it or keep it?
If you like the computer keep it. I highly doubt in you daly usage you will have a checker board pattern up at full brightness for 20 minutes. Did you get applecare? If so just sit back and you have 3 years of computer enjoyment. I get apple care with every laptop I ever owned.