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Am I the only one who don´t like the new 15 inch retina Macbook?

I feel they sacrificed too much to make it thin.

They took the dvd drive out of the machine, like the Macbook air, but still, its not as thin as the Air. And that turns the machine into a third category, between the Air and the Pros.

Before it was simple, Airs were thin and did not have DVD drive, Macbooks had DVD drives and were a bit bigger and more powerfull.

I don´t know if people honestly miss the kensington lock. I don´t, but they took that out too.

And there´s one thing I miss on the newer Macbooks. They had all the plugins on ONE SIDE. That was much more clever and visually pleasing. I have the October 2008 Macbook, which had all plugins on one side.

I feel that Apple is little by little, straying from some of their values that made their products great.
 
Quoted for 100% agreement.

Hmmm,

Lets look at the 1984 Mac

Needed a special screwdriver to open it.

No hard drive and no slot to allow one to be fitted.

128k RAM that was soldered onto the motherboard.


TBH I think Apple may have gone back to their roots!
 
Until USA enforces more recycling of e-waste to take place locally instead of the current practice of shipping e-waste to other third-world countries for 'reprocessing', programs like EPEAT are a waste of money and time.
 
I have following Apple for about 10 years now ,
with the latest iPad and macbook retina ... I think Apple's quality is already slipping away after Steve Jobs death.

This company turned from "quality" based , to "aesthetics+huge sales" based .

To prove this I want to say that my 2002 iMac lasted 7 years, and it was still good when i replaced it(only dvd burner died/still reads) . I would like to see current computers live that long with no issues.
 
I have following Apple for about 10 years now ,
with the latest iPad and macbook retina ... I think Apple's quality is already slipping away after Steve Jobs death.

This company turned from "quality" based , to "aesthetics+huge sales" based .


Same as what I was trying to say earlier.

I mean look at Mountain Lion, it is a complete mess, and it´s almost breaking the border of the simplicity, that they used to have.

Now OSX is starting to be all about features features features, which are canceling each other out. It´s starting to be packed too full of it. If Steve was allive, I think he would have objected to this.

I really feel they need a fresh clean start with a new OS.
 
Probably not, actually. Government offices and corporations don't use Macs very much to begin with, and when they do they usually aren't portables. Assuming it just affects the RMBP, anyways.

The FBI only uses Macs. So do all advertising agencies. All portables (who uses towers?).
 
So what happens when it needs replacing? You take the MBP to Apple, you hand over the cash, and they replace the battery. What's the problem?

Agreed. Seems that would make it more recyclable since Apple will recycle the battery whereas the consumer might just pitch it.
 
Same as what I was trying to say earlier.

I mean look at Mountain Lion, it is a complete mess, and it´s almost breaking the border of the simplicity, that they used to have.

Now OSX is starting to be all about features features features, which are canceling each other out. It´s starting to be packed too full of it. If Steve was allive, I think he would have objected to this.

I really feel they need a fresh clean start with a new OS.

How is Mountain Lion a mess? It's more of a mess to have to go into Mail to find a note you jotted down. And what happens to those reminders I made on my phone? Oh, right. They're in iCal (if anywhere).

Messages is GREAT, as is iCloud Safari tabs. I really have no idea what you're expecting.

Apple's biggest problem at the moment is photo management. Now THAT is a bit of a wreck (particularly on iOS devices).
 
Am I the only one who don´t like the new 15 inch retina Macbook?

I feel they sacrificed too much to make it thin.

They took the dvd drive out of the machine, like the Macbook air, but still, its not as thin as the Air. And that turns the machine into a third category, between the Air and the Pros.

Before it was simple, Airs were thin and did not have DVD drive, Macbooks had DVD drives and were a bit bigger and more powerfull.

I don´t know if people honestly miss the kensington lock. I don´t, but they took that out too.

And there´s one thing I miss on the newer Macbooks. They had all the plugins on ONE SIDE. That was much more clever and visually pleasing. I have the October 2008 Macbook, which had all plugins on one side.

I feel that Apple is little by little, straying from some of their values that made their products great.
Just curious what people use DVD drives on a laptop for these days? I can't remember the last time I used mine.
 
How is Mountain Lion a mess? It's more of a mess to have to go into Mail to find a note you jotted down. And what happens to those reminders I made on my phone? Oh, right. They're in iCal (if anywhere).

Messages is GREAT, as is iCloud Safari tabs. I really have no idea what you're expecting.

Apple's biggest problem at the moment is photo management. Now THAT is a bit of a wreck (particularly on iOS devices).

Look at what they have turned the once beautiful Expose into. Something absolutely horrible, that links several features together, thats not really equally important. Like dashboard widgets.

And you talk about reminders, yes? Before it was simple - you added reminders in your calendar. That made perfect sense. Then shortly after Steve died, or before he died - they added reminders. A completely useless application, that did something another application already delivered.

These are just two examples, of how OSX is becoming more cluttered, and maximised with features, which are gradually destroying the simplicity.
 
not an option for everyone

Really? Who can't fill-out a form on-line, wait for the box to be hand delivered to their door, then put their unwanted decade old computer into that box, call the number on the box, and then leave it the box in front of their door for pick up?

(I mean I can see some people have difficultly with that, but I'm talking someone whom IS able to take their unwanted computer to a conventional computer recycler and pay any required fee.)
 
And you talk about reminders, yes? Before it was simple - you added reminders in your calendar. That made perfect sense. Then shortly after Steve died, or before he died - they added reminders. A completely useless application, that did something another application already delivered.

Fair point on Expose. It's a bit more complicated now (although I find it useful, it took me a long time to get used to it). However, you can still do everything in the new dashboard that you could in the old exposé.

But I always really disliked the slim right-hand column of to-do's in iCal. Those were afterthoughts crammed onto a calendar app. It was visually busy, uncategorized, misordered, and they never went away when you completed them.

My day is so packed with double-booked meetings that the last thing I want is "pick up milk, dog food, and pay the housekeeper" in my already packed calendar.

To each his own, but I appreciate the (relative) simplicity of having things in my computer OS match the locations and items on my phone.
 
The FBI only uses Macs. So do all advertising agencies. All portables (who uses towers?).
I call BS on the FBI claim.

The two FBI agents who came to collect a server drive array from us after we had a breach were both carrying Dell laptops.

As for saying "all" ad agencies use Macs, I'll just have to say BS on that as well.
Many or even most perhaps, but all.... I doubt it.
 
Fair point on Expose. It's a bit more complicated now (although I find it useful, it took me a long time to get used to it). However, you can still do everything in the new dashboard that you could in the old exposé.

But I always really disliked the slim right-hand column of to-do's in iCal. Those were afterthoughts crammed onto a calendar app. It was visually busy, uncategorized, misordered, and they never went away when you completed them.

My day is so packed with double-booked meetings that the last thing I want is "pick up milk, dog food, and pay the housekeeper" in my already packed calendar.

To each his own, but I appreciate the (relative) simplicity of having things in my computer OS match the locations and items on my phone.

I think you perhaps use calendar more than most people then.

And you can also do everything in Windows, that you can on a Mac. So that argument doesn´t fly with me. They destroyed expose, and sacrificed simplicity in regards for cluttery mess. In fine words, someone at Apple now thinks all functions should be able to do as much as possible.

That way of thought, is gradually steering OSX into the way of Windows. Soon we´ll be able to adjust everything on the graphics chips also. Frequency, temperature, Open GL, etc etc. Theres a reason they keep this out, because it clutters the interface and confuse the user.

Another example is the two apps News stand and iBooks. Two completely identical apps, with just slightly different content.
 
I call BS on the FBI claim.

The two FBI agents who came to collect a server drive array from us after we had a breach were both carrying Dell laptops.

As for saying "all" ad agencies use Macs, I'll just have to say BS on that as well.
Many or even most perhaps, but all.... I doubt it.

The FBI switching to Macs was a story in Wired last year. Don't know if that applied to field agents.

Um. Yes. All real ad agencies use Macs. Good luck finding anyone in any creative department who uses a PC. Not gonna happen.

Even Microsoft's agencies of record flatly refuse to use them. Razorfish, CP+B, 72 & Sunny, Wexley School for Girls etc etc...all on Macs.

As a condition of them getting the account, MS told CP+B they had to use Windows machines. The agency was having none of it. So their excuse was "we're going to continue using Macs, and our measure of success will be when and if everyone here wants to use Windows."

True story. And that was over $100M in business they put at risk.
 
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The FBI switching to Macs was a story in Wired last year. Don't know if that applied to field agents.

Um. Yes. All real ad agencies use Macs. Good luck finding anyone in any creative department who uses a PC. Not gonna happen.

Even Microsoft's agencies of record flatly refuse to use them. Razorfish, CP+B, 72 & Sunny, Wexley School for Girls etc etc...all on Macs.

As a condition of them getting the account, MS told CP+B they had to use Windows machines. The agency was having none of it. So their excuse was "we're going to continue using Macs, and our measure of success will be when and if everyone here wants to use Windows."

True story. And that was over $100M in business they put at risk.

Speaking from experience you will find that whilst the creatives at ad agencies use Macs this does not mean they only use Macs. In addition to this your earlier comment stating that they all use laptops because no-one uses towers is preposterous. Some may use laptops when going to see clients, but the majority will use towers still for the raw power. especially for artworking of final designs along with complex 3D work.
 
Probably not, actually. Government offices and corporations don't use Macs very much to begin with, and when they do they usually aren't portables. Assuming it just affects the RMBP, anyways.

Actually many of them do and yes it is more often portables.

That said, they don't likely need the power of the rMBP so wouldn't be buying that anyway. The places that would need and use it likely aren't bound by strict rules that take two years and 12 votes to change so not an issue.
 
Speaking from experience you will find that whilst the creatives at ad agencies use Macs this does not mean they only use Macs. In addition to this your earlier comment stating that they all use laptops because no-one uses towers is preposterous. Some may use laptops when going to see clients, but the majority will use towers still for the raw power. especially for artworking of final designs along with complex 3D work.

Sure, there are still some towers sitting around creative departments for Art Directors. But they're being replaced with portables. Studio and pre-pro uses towers (I don't see that going away), but I haven't seen someone be given a tower that didn't already exist in a long time.
 
I think this whole gluing the battery in thing is the worst idea Apple has ever had.

Batteries are consumable. They need to be replaced eventually. .

Being glued in doesn't mean they can't be replaced. Just means that not every yahoo can do it. Given the risks that come from the tiniest piercing of said batteries, it's actually a good thing that it is limited to trained staff with proper fire safes etc avail and not something your cousin Bubba can do in the kitchen for a 12 pack and a couple of blunts.

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Surely leaving the layer of glue out would help.

If you don't have glue you have to have a bracket or such to ensure that the battery doesn't come loose from the connectors.
 
What is apple thinking with the MBPR

No upgrade for ram,

True enough; it's a tradeoff to get smaller packaging and increased reliability.

Order the biggest capacity option.

No upgrade for the SSD

This is not true. *Apple* may not offer upgrades for SSD mass storage (just like they don't offer to upgrade physical hard drives), but the SSD is plugged in, not soldered, and third-party upgrades for MBA models already are on the market.

No replaceable battrie at all, and its glued in.

Not user-replaceable, replacement is available from Apple, if needed. Glued in or not, the service is available.

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This glue thing deserves to blow up in Apple's face.
Using glue is just poor engineering, it's not elegant and frankly undeserving of a (self proclaimed, no less) high end product.

Tell that to the aerospace industry. There are many applications where adhesives make more sense/work better than mechanical fasteners.

In Apple's case, it's a way to make a lighter, stiffer structure than would be possible with mechanical fasteners, given their necessary supporting structures.

There's more to (engineering) life than Elmer's glue.
 
So, what exactly is the replacement cost on a rMBP? My old Acer had a bad battery after 4 years of maltreatment and it was about $110 incl. shipping&handling. Is that in this price range, keeping in mind that it takes 5sec the remove it. The rMBP has it - as we know - glued to the shell, the track pad, and the cables. So, replacing all that for about $110? I doubt it. Not even mentioning that perfectly good parts will land in the trash...


Edit: It was the TravelMate 8000 2GHz which I payed about 4k Euro for. Was the top-of-the-line back then. It still works.

$199, and the parts don't get trashed, they go back to Apple for recycling. Unless the battery is damaged in such a way that it's unsafe to ship (in which case there are local disposal regulations), every battery from an Apple product which is replaced by an Apple Authorized Service Center or an Apple Store goes back to Apple and gets recycled. Can't say that about user-replaceable batteries, can you? That means that by not having user-replaceable batteries, Apple is insuring that close to 100% of them get recycled, while companies that let users replace batteries themselves can't guarantee that even one will be recycled (yes, some will, maybe even most, but far less than Apple's).

jW
 
To some extent, what you are talking about has long been possible with desktops. Intel created a socket to enable switching processors.

And they regularly change the socket supported by various generations of processors....
 
$199, and the parts don't get trashed, they go back to Apple for recycling. Unless the battery is damaged in such a way that it's unsafe to ship

I'm away from my laptop, so I don't have the link.

But I read where the problem is the glue holding the battery is so strong, that trying to remove the battery would destroy it causing further environmental exposure.

Therefore it cannot be recycled.

Other parts of the computer may qualify for recycling.
 
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