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Retina MBP UI performance - with video

Don't worry about any of this. I had a little lag on mine in some apps. Installed Mountain Lion DP4 and it smooth as can be.

EDIT: In fact its perfectly smooth even in the highest scaled resolution. So much screen real estate.
 
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CapnJackGig said:
Ugh, the garbage that fanboys will forgive. It's a 2200+ laptop, it's not forgivable! Hopefully there's a fix coming for it, but there's a major issue if my 2010 Air is smooth as butter on every website and the Retina isn't.
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Well apparently it's fixed in the developer 4 preview of mountain lion. And it has nothing to do with fanboyism this the first MacBook I actually buy myself. Only had a 17 incher before that belonged to my girlfriend. It's just that I am use to windows and coming from that it's not as horrible as you people make it out to be.
 
CapnImAnIdiot said:
Ugh, the garbage that fanboys will forgive. It's a 2200+ laptop, it's not forgivable! Hopefully there's a fix coming for it, but there's a major issue if my 2010 Air is smooth as butter on every website and the Retina isn't.
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How many people can't read in this thread? It's been stated multiple times that the lag issues are only with the RMBPs in Apple's stores. People who purchase the machine and install the stability update are NOT experiencing lag. It amazes me how many time people seem to be ignoring this fact.
 
JacinTatt said:
How many people can't read in this thread? It's been stated multiple times that the lag issues are only with the RMBPs in Apple's stores. People who purchase the machine and install the stability update are NOT experiencing lag. It amazes me how many time people seem to be ignoring this fact.
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People love to complain with bothering to read the facts. Don't you know it's cool to point out flaws of other peoples purchases? 😛
 
JacinTatt said:
How many people can't read in this thread? It's been stated multiple times that the lag issues are only with the RMBPs in Apple's stores. People who purchase the machine and install the stability update are NOT experiencing lag. It amazes me how many time people seem to be ignoring this fact.
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*still scrolling lag in Safari though.
 
millerrh said:
I was just in an Apple store today and noticed the same type of thing when scrolling in a web site that had a lot of images. It seemed jerky and jumpy. Almost like it would stop scrolling until it could render the entire image, then caught up with where it should have been.

Just to check myself, I went over to a regular MBP and didn't notice this same behavior, so it's definitely something with retina.

Unfortunately, I also tried switching to the discrete graphics and noticed no difference.

I think I'll be holding off...
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I had the same experience, and was really surprised/disappointed. It's a beautiful machine, but I won't be rushing to buy one. I'll be waiting w/ interest to see whether the next iteration has better graphics solutions (probably not since they're stuck w/ Intel & using the dedicated GPU will be killer for battery life).
 
Sounds like a software issue to me. I seriously doubt a system that has the capability to play D3 2880x1800 @ 20fps can't render some website imagery. Even the on-board graphics should suffice for a task such as this. Sounds like the Safari image sampling/rescaling and scrolling algorithm will need to be improved. Still, it is quite the oversight.
 
Lopes said:
This is exactly what's causing the lag you're seeing in store on the floor models. Last year I tested a 17" MacBook Pro in store and saw the same exact poor performance and lag with expose and other animations on the floor model. Ended up buying one, and upon using it at home have NEVER seen any lag whatsoever.

I'm a firm believe that it's that store concierge app they have running. I've noticed this behavior on every laptop they offer in store.
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I just can't understand why don't they fix it. A mediocre developer could fix it in less than a day, and it would help *so much.*

It's so un-Apple-ish.
 
I sometimes wonder about the Apple stores since they could be a lot slicker. I went in yesterday to try and play with a rMBP, but they didn't have any available. Just one model in the window with the huge laptop display thing.

They did have the new 2012 MBAs and classic MBPs, sort of. All of the 11" MBAs were still the 2011 models. The 13" ones were the 2012 models. The iPad information things were set incorrectly for most of the MBPs. For example, one was telling me that I was looking at a MBA, when it was in fact a 15" MBP. Another one was saying that I am looking at a 15" MBP when it was a 13" MBP.

The "geniuses" were clueless about what models they had in stock.

Seb: Do you have the new high-resolution MBP with retina display in the store?
Genius: No sorry, but we do have the new normal MBP... (pause) I think.. wait.. (we walk over to the MBP, pause)... Yes, I think these are the new ones. I think someone refreshed them overnight... I am not sure (Sebastian checks whether it is in About this Mac)
Seb: Yes, it definitely is
Genius: Oh yes.
Seb: *facepalm*
 
JacinTatt said:
How many people can't read in this thread? It's been stated multiple times that the lag issues are only with the RMBPs in Apple's stores. People who purchase the machine and install the stability update are NOT experiencing lag. It amazes me how many time people seem to be ignoring this fact.
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In fact there are people who own one and complain about the lag issues. They don't mention the lags seen in this video but the lags in safari (some even in the latest update of chrome) an itunes are still there. Somebody mentions though that he installed the developer preview of mountain lion and all the laggy stuff disappeared.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1385227/
 
Eriksrocks said:
Well, turns out they actually did have one in stock and I bought it. I'm typing this on it now. It's a base model (2.3 GHz), running at default retina resolution right now with automatic graphics switching on.

The problem is definitely not happening, and I can say this with confidence because I witnessed it in person at the Apple store. Transitions look absolutely fine, no lagginess or choppiness at all.

Safari is still a bit laggy for my taste, but the issue demonstrated in the OP's video is not there.

Case closed: it's the store software.
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sounds good.

Hi, can you try to flick it FAST up and down the below link on safari ?

http://www.apple.com/mac/
http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/features/13-and-15-inch/

Please let us know how it perform.

thank you
 
Played with one today. Screen looked gorgeous...at optimum resolution. The moment you start scaling there is some noticeable degradation. Also its still a glassy screen so there's still some of that glare going on...albeit at a lesser effect.

Overall i liked the screen but i just wasn't...wowed.
 
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Lag under MLion

rick98761 said:
Don't worry about any of this. I had a little lag on mine in some apps. Installed Mountain Lion DP4 and it smooth as can be.

EDIT: In fact its perfectly smooth even in the highest scaled resolution. So much screen real estate.
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Hey rick,

could you tell in more detail how the performance under mountain lion behaves? Is the overall lagging completely smooth like on older generation MacBook Pros? Or is ti just noticeably better? How is the switch between fullscreen and window?

Tahnks
 
Just want to point out that almost every Mac I've played with shows choppy graphics performance in store for some reason when activating UI animations. However every Mac I've seen in the wild doesn't. Maybe it has something to do with that reservation app they always run on the desktop?
 
rick98761 said:
Don't worry about any of this. I had a little lag on mine in some apps. Installed Mountain Lion DP4 and it smooth as can be.

EDIT: In fact its perfectly smooth even in the highest scaled resolution. So much screen real estate.
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Well, that's really good to hear. Not surprising either, as I've heard of better UI smoothness on every machine with ML installed.

daneoni said:
Played with one today. Screen looked gorgeous...at optimum resolution. The moment you start scaling there is some noticeable degradation.
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I can understand if there's degradation if you scale towards lower resolution, but there really shouldn't be anything visible when you go towards higher. Not with the method they employ to render it, and not at that level of pixel density, I'd think.

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seaw said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIagqm-z3uQ

This guy unboxed his MacBook Pro with Retina and experienced same problem!
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Not really. I just saw it in the video he did safari full screen transition, and it was pretty damn smooth. The scrolling issue in Safari is a different (and legitimate) problem.

*edit* Later on in the video he sets it to 1650x1050 resolution and does another full screen transition. Still looked quite smooth.
 
To all those saying Apple would not release a device with video issues, I can personally recall that when my iMac came out that had the Radeon 4850 HD card, we went for nearly a month having lock ups before Apple released a firmware update to fix it.
 
theSeb said:
The "geniuses" were clueless about what models they had in stock.
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Yeah, the Geniuses are the repair people, and they don't sell stuff (or really keep up with the detail of what's on the sales floor).

The Specialists are the employees that sell stuff and should know what's on the floor.
 
Disagree

Marconelly said:
Later on in the video he sets it to 1650x1050 resolution and does another full screen transition. Still looked quite smooth.
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Hm. I see a very bad behavior. Maybe just because I tested one myself and experienced ... again... a very bad performance. Have you seen one in person yet?
It was awful. It was not just NOT-Apple-like, but almost not usable on some pages.
 
seaw said:
Hm. I see a very bad behavior. Maybe just because I tested one myself and experienced ... again... a very bad performance. Have you seen one in person yet?
It was awful. It was not just NOT-Apple-like, but almost not usable on some pages.
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I will hopefully test one myself today, but I don't think it matters even, as there's a visibly large gap between an in-store model full screen performance displayed in the video from the start of this thread, and the video posted by that guy, where FS in/out happens smoothly.

What bad behavior are you talking about? If you're talking about webpage scrolling, I'd tend to agree. It does look jumpy. I really wish someone with 2.6Ghz model would test this kind of thing :\
 
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