Retina-Resolution Displays to Add Up to $100 to Apple's MacBook Pro Costs

east85 said:
Why is everyone down voting my posts?! :eek:

I just want a good display on my next MacBook! :mad:
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Because you are calling the best displays on the market (in their respective domain), subpar-idevice displays. It seems to me you are asking for it, then complaining. For all the complaints of the new iPad, the screen isn't one of them. Yes there are issues with quality control, but for the problem free iPads, there is simply nothing that currently compares on the market.
 
apolloa said:
If "According to Shim, a Retina 15.4-inch display at 2880x1800 resolution for a density of 220 pixels per inch (pip)"

Is true, then what's going to run it? According to Nvidia, the GT 650M can support a resolution up to 2560 X 1600!

http://www.geforce.co.uk/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt-650m/specifications

That's what I don't get with these 'Retina' rumours, what the hell is going to power the screen? That's why I think sure the screens will be high res, but NOTHING like what the rumours proclaim.

This is why you can forget gaming at the screens native res, the GPU will simply lack the power needed at that resolution.

And as for any price difference, Apple can damn well assort that themselves considering the massive mark up they slap on their computers!!
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So now Apple is condemned for having too high a spec?
 
markcres said:
Your dream will surely come true. If retina adds $100 to the build cost, Apple will just double it (or even treble it) to maintain their extortionate profit margin....whilst paying the people who build it the sort of wages that robs them of dignity. Thats what I call "magical".
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So..then why wasn't the new iPad more expensive? They added better camera's, a Retina Display, better GPU, etc

Apple is not going to increase costs on their product when they are trying to bring even more people into the fold of the Apple umbrella.
 
JohnDoe98 said:
Anyone else becoming concerned this is going to sell like wildfire? I really hope there won't be considerable wait lists for these new MacBooks. I'm genuinely concerned there won't be an international roll-out for the first month...
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That will never happen.
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
Apple could easily afford to bite the bullet on this and only have a 10% margin instead of a 30% margin while they wait for prices to drop.

I seriously doubt they will, though. They'll probably let the margin drop 5% or so in the interest of keeping their prices roughly where they are.




Isn't that DVD drive worth under $20?
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Have you seen how much Apple marks up its RAM and storage?
 
Does anybody remember Tim Cook saying margins were going to be lower due to Macs and iPhones at the last earnings call ?

I say these will stay the same price.
 
jontech said:
So now Apple is condemned for having too high a spec?
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So you didn't read what I said? IF THE SCREEN HAS A RESOLUTION LIKE THAT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING TO POWER THE SCREEN WHEN THE 650M CANNOT DO IT??

Clear enough?

Oh and before you state a more powerful card, according to Nvidia's spec sheet on the top of the range GTX 675M here:

http://www.geforce.co.uk/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-675m/specifications

It TOO can support a maximum digital resolution of 2560 X 1600.

It has jack all to do with Apple being 'Too high specced" it has to do with the fact no single GPU on the market can support a screen with a resolution like that! So are Apple going to install SLI or Crossfire solutions? Which will kill the battery when using the discrete cards.
 
It seems interesting that everyone assumes this is the price "premium" that Apple will pay...Tim Cook has shown to be a master of the entire manufacturing line...who's to say they haven't locked up a certain number of displays at a much smaller premium?

I remember people saying there was no way Apple could get a retina iPad display and not charge more, and yet they did...

I think Apple, with all it's cash, and it's experience the past several years with manufacturing and supply chains has figured out how to upgrade a lot of these technologies while keeping their costs down, and remaining competitive in pricing...I think this is what they're going to do with the new retina displays...I also am EXTREMELY hopeful they do this with SSD drives...
 
Am I the only person who is surprised that it would only be a $100 increase?

I am sure that Apple could, and probably would, eat that cost. But I'd still be willing to pay the full premium myself (though I'm probably gonna for an iMac this cycle, regardless).
 
CBJammin103 said:
I'm all for a matte option, but I'm confused as to why we used to support glass CRTs heavily over LCD monitors in the professional world if the reflection level was SO AWFUL as many would have you believe.

I for one freelance in photography and design quite successfully with a glossy iMac. Now if I had a MBP that I used outside, I'd look for some kind of glare-reducing option... but that's kind of an extreme situation.

I'll take double DPI over matte any day for my personal workflow.
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Because LCD monitors only recently became responsive, bright, and not astronomically expensive? I paid $300 for a 17" 4x3 LCD in 2006, today $300 will get you a top of the line 22" LED monitor.
 
Removing glass display panel, optical drive, gigabit ethernet, FireWire will offset some of the cost of retina display panel. The rest will come from either base model not getting as big of a spec bump as planned (e.g., little or no storage and RAM increase) or higher premium for options or higher-end configurations.
 
Peace said:
Does anybody remember Tim Cook saying margins were going to be lower due to Macs and iPhones at the last earnings call ?

I say these will stay the same price.
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And kudos to Apple if they hold the current price points. I think wer're seeing a more "humane" Apple under Tim.
 
Has nobody mentioned yet (sorry for not checking) that retina could just be an option, just like matte is an option?
 
Igzo?

Does anybody know if the currently available high resolution screens use IGZO technology already? If not, the laptops might get quite hot and the battery life would probably suffer, too.
 
"According to Shim, a Retina 15.4-inch display at 2880x1800 resolution for a density of 220 pixels per inch (pip)"

The effective resolution for this claimed retina display is only 1440x900, MUCH MUCH lower than my MBP today at 1680x1050.

As you know, we are not having suddenly 2880px wide screen, because you will not be able to see anything if that's the case. It's just that everything (icon, text) will take 4x as many pixel as before. The problem with this is that, unless you are doubling 1680x1050, otherwise you will face a degradation of experience. While I love the sharp quality of retina display, I still rather have a bigger effective resolution so I can fit more stuff on my screen.

Because of this tradeoff, I am pretty sure retina display will be an option, NOT a standard feature. By default, every MBP will still have a higher effective resolution screen like 1680x1050, and you probably have to opt for the higher CPU/Graphic Card combo to even have the ability to upgrade retina, so we are looking at addition $300 (retina option) on top of the highest level of MBP 15 ($2100), so total we are looking at $2400 for something that has a lower effective resolution.

Just my prediction/educated guess....
 
santaliqueur said:
"Retina", according to Apple, just means that the eye is unable to see individual pixels at a normal viewing distance. Every MacBook, iMac, and Apple display is already "retina".
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Go to your local store that has the new iPad and try its retina screen - then you'll see what Apple means by "Retina".
 
Oh Yeah!!

djrod said:
Retina +100
No DVD -100

And we are good to go
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That would be good if.....

Could they figure out a way to burn/save a movie to an SD card, like you would burn it to a DVD? The size of an SD card is way smaller than a DVD, plus you could save up to 128 gigs to one, ( more gigs in the near future ). Why don't they just come out with movie players that work off of SD cards? Is this feasible, or not?

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
apolloa said:
So you didn't read what I said? IF THE SCREEN HAS A RESOLUTION LIKE THAT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING TO POWER THE SCREEN WHEN THE 650M CANNOT DO IT??

Clear enough?

Oh and before you state a more powerful card, according to Nvidia's spec sheet on the top of the range GTX 675M here:

http://www.geforce.co.uk/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-675m/specifications

It TOO can support a maximum digital resolution of 2560 X 1600.

It has jack all to do with Apple being 'Too high specced" it has to do with the fact no single GPU on the market can support a screen with a resolution like that! So are Apple going to install SLI or Crossfire solutions? Which will kill the battery when using the discrete cards.
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That is not true. The only reason this resolution is listed is because it is currently the highest resolution on a consumer product (30'' LCD). All of those cards can run some form of multimonitor multiples of FullHD or even 2560x1600 resolutions.
 
I still don't fully understand the move to get rid of the optical drive.
I know plenty of people who still use them to burn samples etc to CD or DVD.
I for one make use of it regularly!
A laptop is supposed to be mobile, and allow you to have a mobile office if you like. You shouldn't have to carry around too many accessories to make that mobile office as complete as possible.
 
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