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rMBP display very yellow

mzbe said:
This is not a debatable slight tint. I tried (and failed) to correct using the built-in advanced calibration settings, the best I got (without fixing the uneven brightness and color shifts) was about a 800 Kelvin increase (= towards blue) to get rid of the yellow elements of the tint (it's not pure yellow, which why some on the forum have referred to it as pink, perhaps on displays with even more extreme variation).
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You make a good point. With all of the display variance out there, it's quite likely that some displays are so out of whack that calibration isn't an option. In my case, I was able eliminate the yellow tint to bring my display in line with my 27" iMac with only a 300K increase toward blue. I was actually surprised that such a small color temperature adjustment made such a big difference. This was all done by eye, so it's entirely possible that my iMac is too blue to begin with (I'm just using the default calibration on it) and my rMBP was where it should've been. I've got an X-rite i1Display Pro on order so we'll see what "reality" is tomorrow once it arrives.

I guess the overall point I'm trying to make is that it's very unlikely that anyone will get a "perfect" display (one person above went through 7 exchanges before getting a display they were satisfied with!). If your display is good (no dead pixels, even color/brightness uniformity) and the only issue is a slightly yellow tint, it might behoove you to calibrate the display rather than going through the hassle and pain of numerous exchanges.
 
bbasra said:
I'm not looking for any faults but I've just received my RMBP and i'm finding my display is very yellow so i compared it to my old Sony Vaio Z Series and the result is that my Sony Vaio display is significantly whiter and brighter :(
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Everyone here is mistaken. This issue was on the "new iPad" also. It's not calibration or a software setting. The tint is caused from the glue used in the retina screen. CultOfMac wrote an article on this issue. The tint supposedly can take up to 2 months to go away. If you can't stand it, send it back and apple will help you out.
 
ilgreatluigi said:
Everyone here is mistaken. This issue was on the "new iPad" also. It's not calibration or a software setting. The tint is caused from the glue used in the retina screen. CultOfMac wrote an article on this issue. The tint supposedly can take up to 2 months to go away. If you can't stand it, send it back and apple will help you out.
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I guess that's possible, but we don't know for sure that what's true for the iPad is also true for the rMBP. In other words, how do we know that the same glue and/or assembly process that was used for the iPad was also used for the rMBP?
 
kfscoll said:
You make a good point. With all of the display variance out there, it's quite likely that some displays are so out of whack that calibration isn't an option. In my case, I was able eliminate the yellow tint to bring my display in line with my 27" iMac with only a 300K increase toward blue. I was actually surprised that such a small color temperature adjustment made such a big difference. This was all done by eye, so it's entirely possible that my iMac is too blue to begin with (I'm just using the default calibration on it) and my rMBP was where it should've been. I've got an X-rite i1Display Pro on order so we'll see what "reality" is tomorrow once it arrives.

I guess the overall point I'm trying to make is that it's very unlikely that anyone will get a "perfect" display (one person above went through 7 exchanges before getting a display they were satisfied with!). If your display is good (no dead pixels, even color/brightness uniformity) and the only issue is a slightly yellow tint, it might behoove you to calibrate the display rather than going through the hassle and pain of numerous exchanges.
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Just for the record I attempted a calibration and it didn't really help the situation to a point that I was comfortable with or close to a truer white or I would have kept it.

It doesn't have to be exactly like my old one but it has to be close enough in my opinion for what I paid.

By the way, how do you guys check to see what type of LCD you have in your unit?
 
Stack said:
By the way, how do you guys check to see what type of LCD you have in your unit?
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go to a terminal window, execute this command:

ioreg -lw0 | grep \"EDID\" | sed "/[^<]*</s///" | xxd -p -r | strings -6

Looking at the resulting codes:
LP is LG/Philips
LSN is Samsung

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ilgreatluigi said:
Everyone here is mistaken. This issue was on the "new iPad" also. It's not calibration or a software setting. The tint is caused from the glue used in the retina screen. CultOfMac wrote an article on this issue. The tint supposedly can take up to 2 months to go away. If you can't stand it, send it back and apple will help you out.
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This is just a wild guess on your part.

What baffles me: Apple is completely silent on the issue.
Clearly the Apple Store sales reps (including geniuses and store managers) have not received any "playbook" on how to deal with it.

If this Is this going to be like bumper gate - what is the equivalent of the bumper that everybody is going to get? Blue tinted shades perhaps?
 
kfscoll said:
I think you're the first person in this thread who's main complaint is a yellow gradient. Others have mentioned it, but the overall issue that's causing all the returns is the uniform yellow tint.
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In this thread, posts #2, #20, #31 (3rd paragraph), and #36.

And this thread over here is absolutely about the "gradient" phenomenon, and someone trotted out the calibration suggestion there, too.

EDIT: This thread over at the Apple forums is also about it, and the pictures included there by poster "cplusd" are some of the best photographically-documented examples of the issue.

-- Nathan
 
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NathanA said:
In this thread, posts #2, #20, #31 (3rd paragraph), and #36.

And this thread over here is absolutely about the "gradient" phenomenon, and someone trotted out the calibration suggestion there, too.

EDIT: This thread over at the Apple forums is also about it, and the pictures included there by poster "cplusd" are some of the best photographically-documented examples of the issue.

-- Nathan
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The cplusd pictures match exactly what I have seen on the 4 LG paneled rMBPs (the 2 I bought and returned and the 2 on display in the store).
The Samsung panel was 1. white 2. uniform and 3. brighter than the LGs.

Unfortunately, only 1 Samsung vs. 4 LGs. Wondering if that puts you at 80% odds of receiving a mellow yellow lemon.
 
mzbe said:
The cplusd pictures match exactly what I have seen on the 4 LG paneled rMBPs (the 2 I bought and returned and the 2 on display in the store).
The Samsung panel was 1. white 2. uniform and 3. brighter than the LGs.

Unfortunately, only 1 Samsung vs. 4 LGs. Wondering if that puts you at 80% odds of receiving a mellow yellow lemon.
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I will be getting my third rMPB soon. I returned the first one due to multiple stuck pixels, and the second for this gradient issue (plus some random white spots in the yellow area of the screen. Applecare phone support and sales support seem to have no knowledge of this issue (or at least act that way). I am hoping my third unit is better.
 
My rYellow Mellow Pro has been returned and my new one is being prepared for shipment. I do hope i get a Samsung screen.
 
I find it interesting how many people find that tint to be "too yellow".

LED lighting (which is really just a blue LED coated with yellow phosphor) that you find in the back of notebook screens tend to be too "blue". Most consumer screens test in the 7500K-8500K range.

My properly calibrated 6500K, 2.2 gamma, 30 inch monitors at work definitely look much more yellow sitting next to my LG-panel rMBP.
 
NathanA said:
In this thread, posts #2, #20, #31 (3rd paragraph), and #36.

And this thread over here is absolutely about the "gradient" phenomenon, and someone trotted out the calibration suggestion there, too.

EDIT: This thread over at the Apple forums is also about it, and the pictures included there by poster "cplusd" are some of the best photographically-documented examples of the issue.

-- Nathan
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Wow, some of those gradients are awful. There's no fixing that with a calibration device. My rMBP has a very slight color gradient, but it changes based on viewing angle, disappears as you move away from the screen, and looks nothing like those pictures. :eek:

Here's mine up close:
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Here it is again farther away:
far.jpg


The color/brightness gradient to me looks much more obvious in the first picture than the second...and honestly, I had to change the background color from light to medium gray to get it to show up even this much.

Since the difference in angles between the your eyes' line of sight and the edges of the screen is much greater when you're close to the screen compared to when you're farther away, I'm not surprised that color gradient/shifts are more pronounced up close since (at least with my display) I can detect a pretty significant color shift over the entire display as I move my head side to side.

Once my calibration tool arrives tomorrow I can measure and post objectively exactly how uneven my display is.
 
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NathanA said:
In this thread, posts #2, #20, #31 (3rd paragraph), and #36.

And this thread over here is absolutely about the "gradient" phenomenon, and someone trotted out the calibration suggestion there, too.

EDIT: This thread over at the Apple forums is also about it, and the pictures included there by poster "cplusd" are some of the best photographically-documented examples of the issue.

-- Nathan
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I was able to make my display look better/ more in sync with my TB display with color calibration. But yeah, that's a very obvious, yellow splotch on the screen, as opposed to a general yellow tint of which I had mentioned.
 
My display isn't uniform color wise. Upper portions are reddish. It's an LG display and fortunately I'm already in the process of exchanging. Hope the next version is closer to perfection because on paper the Retina is unmatched. :)
 
mzbe said:
go to a terminal window, execute this command:

ioreg -lw0 | grep \"EDID\" | sed "/[^<]*</s///" | xxd -p -r | strings -6

Looking at the resulting codes:
LP is LG/Philips
LSN is Samsung

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This is just a wild guess on your part.

What baffles me: Apple is completely silent on the issue.
Clearly the Apple Store sales reps (including geniuses and store managers) have not received any "playbook" on how to deal with it.

If this Is this going to be like bumper gate - what is the equivalent of the bumper that everybody is going to get? Blue tinted shades perhaps?
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It's not a wild guess at all...
 
kfscoll said:
Here's mine...
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Dude, yours looks nice. :eek: I hope my replacement looks that good.

For the record...Samsung or LG?

I would expect a bit of brightness variance from side-to-side. What was driving me up a wall was the color temperature variance. And although I initially thought the color temperature/white point variance on mine was related to viewing angle, closer investigation revealed that it wasn't and that certain parts of the display were definitely different, regardless of viewing angle.

-- Nathan
 
NathanA said:
Dude, yours looks nice. :eek: I hope my replacement looks that good.

For the record...Samsung or LG?

I would expect a bit of brightness variance from side-to-side. What was driving me up a wall was the color temperature variance. And although I initially thought the color temperature/white point variance on mine was related to viewing angle, closer investigation revealed that it wasn't and that certain parts of the display were definitely different, regardless of viewing angle.

-- Nathan
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Thanks! You can see a little bit of color variance from side-to-side in the pictures I posted (reddish/pinkish on the left, yellowish on the right--especially in the lower right corner), but I don't think I'll do a whole lot better than that. It's definitely nothing compared to the pictures in the thread you linked to...those were outrageous.

Incidentally, I did calibrate the display by eye. Before calibration it was all-over a little more yellow than what you see in my pictures, but I only had to raise the color temperature by 350K to get to the results you see above.

Oh yeah, it's an LG display...go figure.
 
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kfscoll said:
Thanks! You can see a little bit of color variance from side-to-side in the pictures I posted (reddish/pinkish on the left, yellowish on the right--especially in the lower right corner), but I don't think I'll do a whole lot better than that. It's definitely nothing compared to the pictures in the thread you linked to...those were outrageous.

Incidentally, I did calibrate the display by eye. It was all-over a little more yellow than what you see in my pictures, but I only had to raise the color temperature by 350K to get to the results you see above.

Oh yeah, it's an LG display...go figure.
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The interesting observation that makes it more difficult for me to settle with a display like yours is that there are flawless rMBP displays out there (the one Samsung panel I saw) and it's a step back from my 4 year old late 2008 unibody MBP. I just cannot do that, with both side by side the new display (in the ones I returned) is cringe inducing.

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ilgreatluigi said:
It's not a wild guess at all...
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How do you explain then the yellow screen models on display in the Apple store, that have been there for weeks and have been constantly on and running?
If it's just some issue with glue that will disappear over time, how long exactly would you propose to wait?
 
kfscoll said:
You can see a little bit of color variance from side-to-side in the pictures I posted...
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Yeah, I actually didn't notice that until you mentioned it, but now I can see it, especially the yellow in the bottom-right corner. The colors in the photos themselves look a little blown out, so it's maybe a little harder to see details compared to the pictures taken by "cplusd".

kfscoll said:
Oh yeah, it's an LG display...go figure.
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Hmmm...

mzbe said:
The interesting observation that makes it more difficult for me to settle with a display like yours is that there are flawless rMBP displays out there (the one Samsung panel I saw)...
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I could be jumping to conclusions at this point, but as I pointed out in a post to the other thread I linked to earlier, I also visited an Apple store, and saw 4 display laptops: 3 LG, 1 Samsung, and the Samsung was noticeably the best display on the table. This is causing me to lean towards thinking that perhaps all of the color gradient displays are LG. The only anomaly so far is that the OP of the other thread was complaining about a dark spot in the "lower-left" corner of his display, which later turned out to be Samsung. But I went back and read it again, and he specifically mentioned that the corner was just slightly darker and definitely *not* "yellower" than the rest of the display.

mzbe said:
If it's just some issue with glue that will disappear over time, how long exactly would you propose to wait?
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The "it's just the glue still curing, guys" people kill me more than the calibration people do. That whole myth started back when the iPhone 4 with its new Retina display was first introduced. Some people were seeing distinct and quite small yellow spots in various places on their phone displays that disappeared after just a few days; example pics here. The so-called "glue" is clearly not what is causing either the entire display's white-point to be overly warm or the white-point gradient issue. That is a totally separate issue, but because it included the words "yellow" and "display", people latched onto it and figured it was a reasonable explanation for every possible issue with the display that had anything whatsoever to do with yellow-ness.

Sigh.

-- Nathan
 
NathanA said:
Yeah, I actually didn't notice that until you mentioned it, but now I can see it, especially the yellow in the bottom-right corner. The colors in the photos themselves look a little blown out, so it's maybe a little harder to see details compared to the pictures taken by "cplusd".
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The thing is that in person the display looks more uniform than the pictures I posted above suggest. In fact, the particular shade of gray that I chose for the desktop background makes the non-uniformities most apparent.

In any event, since perfectly uniform screens are out there, I'll probably take a shot at getting an advance replacement from Apple and keep whichever computer has the best screen. The overall, uniform yellow tint doesn't bug me in the least, but color gradients are pretty annoying and non-correctable to boot. Unfortunately, I think they may be par for the course, at least for the LG displays, and there's no way to know whether my new computer will have a Samsung display until I take it out of the box.

Regardless, I could live with display I currently own, but even though I promised myself I wouldn't do it, I'll have one go at the exchange game -- maybe the second sample will be better than the first.

I'll post post-calibration white point and luminance uniformity results once I get my i1Display Pro up and running tomorrow.
 
hey,
I just got my rMBP. Shipped 27th July (from China). Base model with 16 GB RAM.
My monitor ID:
LSN154YL01001

So far it looks good. But didn´t check everything. I might also have a gradient on the lower left. Looks little yellow on white...although I should just check deeper before I make a final judgment. So far it could also be a "viewing angle" thing.
Thank you all for your inputs!
 
Well, from everything I've seen so far it sure looks like Samsung panels are the big winners. However (and this is completely unscientific), I've noticed that most Samsung panels are associated with base model rMBPs. So...does that mean that if you get a BTO rMBP you're destined for an LG panel?
 
kfscoll said:
Well, from everything I've seen so far it sure looks like Samsung panels are the big winners. However (and this is completely unscientific), I've noticed that most Samsung panels are associated with base model rMBPs. So...does that mean that if you get a BTO rMBP you're destined for an LG panel?
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Well, mine is base, but I´ve added the 16 GB RAM option. Doesn´t this make it also BTO? And I got a Samsung screen. But this one also has a very very little yellow tint in the lower left. But you can only see it when you want to look for it at a totally white/grey background.
 
skydesigner said:
Well, mine is base, but I´ve added the 16 GB RAM option. Doesn´t this make it also BTO? And I got a Samsung screen. But this one also has a very very little yellow tint in the lower left. But you can only see it when you want to look for it at a totally white/grey background.
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You're right; yours is BTO. Who knows. Hopefully my replacement will be a Sammy panel because if it's another LG I can almost guarantee it won't be any better than the one I have.
 
This thread is making me wonder if my color is wrong as well but I have no one else to compare too. Well he's in and out of the office lots, I'll compare when I see him next.

Edit: Only have my iTouch on me:
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