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haha, $1,100 cancellation fee.

I'd say rogers is very slowly trying to get the boat turned around on this whole mess. Right now there doing knee-jerk reactions to seeing forum post like "ok, I'll just buy the iPhone, cancel my contract and pay the $400 fee and use my iPhone as I see fit" so Rogers is pulling a "oh no you don't" move.

Personally I think we'll see better data rates in September, after rogers find themselves sitting around with unsold stock and a pile of bad press.
 
What are you guys talking about... getting an iphone with no data plan.

The point of the iphone IS to use a data plan. Not just a wifi spot.

Otherwise all your really doing is having an ipod touch and a phone in one.

So you get to carry one less device if you get the iphone.

You need the data plans. That is what the iphone was designed for.

Data + phone.
meh, I need a new phone anyway, so a touch+phone would suit me well, as long as it was the subsidized price.
 
What are you guys talking about... getting an iphone with no data plan.

The point of the iphone IS to use a data plan. Not just a wifi spot.

Otherwise all your really doing is having an ipod touch and a phone in one.

So you get to carry one less device if you get the iphone.

You need the data plans. That is what the iphone was designed for.

Data + phone.

In fact, I'd like to see a data-only plan as an option, not a voice-only plan. I don't have a cell phone now and don't really need one for talking. I just want the internet in my pocket.
 
"Your iPhone will be enabled for data usage. If you subscribe to a plan with no data included, data charges at a pay-per-use rate of 5¢/KB for data sent and/or received over the Rogers network will apply, unless you subscribe to a data plan, which we highly recommend."

Edit:

CrzyCanuck72, you beat me to it!

This looks like "good" news. Maybe they added this in response to all the shouting?

I still don't know if the value is there. No data plan? Kinda sucks.

No data plan, not a big deal, they should have it disabled from using data though! 5 cents a KB is over $50 for 1 (one) MB. That is outrageous. They are just trying to snow people. This is not a good thing, and do NOT think it is
 
No data plan, not a big deal, they should have it disabled from using data though! 5 cents a KB is over $50 for 1 (one) MB. That is outrageous. They are just trying to snow people. This is not a good thing, and do NOT think it is

Nobody is forcing you to get a data plan, and if you do you have a slew of options now.

Nobody is forcing you to use data also.
 
Nobody is forcing you to get a data plan, and if you do you have a slew of options now.

Nobody is forcing you to use data also.

If you read what is on their site, let me paste it here

Data Usage - Your iPhone will be enabled for data usage. If you subscribe to a plan with no data included, data charges at a pay-per-use rate of 5¢/KB for data sent and/or received over the Rogers network will apply, unless you subscribe to a data plan, which we highly recommend. Roaming charges apply while using your iPhone outside Canada. U.S. data roaming on iPhone Packages is $3/MB. The standard international data roaming rate applies. Visit rogers.com/roaming for our roaming rates and destinations. Data usage is measured in KB rounded to the next full KB.​

I Bolded the important part. They are enabling it no matter what. They could flag your SIM as no data, but instead they would rather try and screw you for more money
 
Just saw this (new?) page, linked from the
Early cancellation fee: minimum of $1100. Jesus H Christ.

Actually, hang on a minute. Here is the full text from that page:

[...]

So, if you cancel the contract the day after signing it, the penalty is $220 * 36 months = $7920.

The intent here is dubious, though; I don't understand the latter bit of the last sentence. A maximum of 400 what? Months? That's 33 years.

As much as we all want this device, I think the lesson here is clear: you're basically a retard if you sign a contract with this company. I get my home cable and internet from them, as well as my home phone, and consumer rape aside: I have had nothing but horrid experiences with this company.

The last time I moved, Rogers failed to properly transfer my account to my new address. Instead, some moron in their customer service department, created a new account at my new address and failed to cancel the account at my old address.

Then another customer support person, incorrectly assigned the disconnection order for my old address to my new address. So basically they came and hooked up my cable the day I moved, and then came and disconnected the day afterward.

It got even worse. They had trouble provisioning my old phone number for the new location, and some kind of crazy problem with their system prevented them from hooking up my phone line for three weeks after I moved. I have NO land line. I was using Skype over the internet for everything. it was a pain in the ass.

Then they gave me "free phone service for 8 months" to compensate me. Except of course, I saw one credit on my bill for one month, and then proceeded to get billed normally after that. So despite being promised 8 months, I got 1 month free.

As for my cable service, they gave me the month free, and promised me 8 months of all the specialty channels and HD service. Thanks! Except, once again I saw one credit on my bill, and then proceeded to get double-billed every month there after. Yes, I had a specialty pack they were charging me like $39 for... and then they were separately billing me like $49 for the ALL speciality channel package completely redundantly. This went unnoticed by me for months. Mainly because I was just too upset to deal with them, I gave them my credit card and they put me on automated billing.

And whatever happened to that old account they forgot to shut off at my old address? Well it got disconnected for nonpayment. And they somehow managed to send a collection agency looking for me... I owed them like $600 apparently.

Then I got on the phone with some senior Rogers rep who told me she couldn't do anything about it. I argued on the phone for about 45 minutes, trying to explain to her my previous horrors with their company, which she admittedly was able to reconcile from the CS records they had with me. But she claimed that there was nothing she could do about my old account, and that it was ultimately my responsibility to close it (my responsibility? I TRANSFERRED my services to a new address... I wasn't even aware I had a NEW account).

Anyways, fed up with dealing with the *******s, I offered to give her my credit card # immediately, pay the $600 that I didn't owe, and have her cancel ALL of my services with Rogers effective immediately, along with a threat to go to the media with the story.

She put me on hold for about 5 minutes, and came back and ultimately agreed to forgive the debt that I never owed.

All-in-all I've wasted too many hours of my life with this company.

I have a cellphone with Telus (who's customer service is impeccable), even if their prices--much like Rogers--leave something to be desired. Telus tends to have reasonable CSRs, who actually have a great deal of authority to make customers happy. They also don't make you hold for more than like 20 seconds with their wait time guarantee thing.

I'm not trying to pimp Telus here, but only to make a point: signing ANY sort of contract with Rogers that commits me to doing business with them for any period of time is a nightmarish thought for me.

Overpriced plan? Less minutes? Higher roaming charges? (I have fairly cheap North America roaming and calling with Telus -- and I travel quite a bit), Less data? (I have unlimited data on my Blackberry for $30), and having to deal with rude, arrogant CSRs? Sign me the f*ck up!
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A102 Safari/419.3)

With the current iPhone you may use it without wireless data by simply turning Data Roaming off, in the Settings>General>Network menu. I do this when traveling to the USA. It will not turn back on by itself, without prompting you. To get it to stop prompting you, just go to that same area of the Settings and select EDGE and delete the user id and password. Then the iPhone only goes online with WiFi. Easy.

So, what if we all bought iPhones but no one subscribed to data? Other than wall to wall 3G iPhone users at Starbucks that is. ;-)
 
So I emailed rogers asking about a data-less iphone plan and what did I receive

Dear Scott , Thank you for taking the time to write to us, we appreciate your use of online customer service. In your recent email, you have informed us that you are dissatisfied with the price of our iPhone plans.

...
...
...

For future email correspondence with respect to this e-mail, please quote reference number xxxxxxxxxxx Regards,Grant C.Rogers Online Customer Service.

http://www.rogers.com Original Message Follows:------------------------*** Your Cellular General Inquiry ***

Account Number -->xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Name --> xxxxxxxxxxxx
Email --> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Address 1 -->
Address 2 -->
Postal Code -->
Subject --> Your Cellular General Inquiry Comments -->

Hello, I was reading an article on canada.com
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/t....html?id=e08b9229-c40e-4f84-b44d-e89e34ea7bbf
and was wondering if you can confirm or deny the statement that

"Rogers said data-less plans for the iPhone, with just voice and basictext, will start at $15 a month."

If so will the phone still be subsidized to a point and when will more details be released.

Thanks Scott


Looks like they are not even taking the time to read these emails anymore and just throwing back the same response to every email about the iphone.
 
hmm.. on the rogers iphone page now, it is saying "save $11" on the $15 value pack. Are they giving away call display and all those text messages for $4 or am I misinterpreting?

I read that to mean "normally we would squeeze you $26 for these features, but for now you can 'save' $11".

Despite this, I am left to wonder what the hell are "WhoCalled" and "Caller Ring Trax"? I interpret these as being "list of missed calls" and "per-caller rings", and aren't those functions inherently performed by the phone itself?

-b
 
So get data disabled on your line. One phone call to the Data department. Done.

If you read what is on their site, let me paste it here

Data Usage - Your iPhone will be enabled for data usage. If you subscribe to a plan with no data included, data charges at a pay-per-use rate of 5¢/KB for data sent and/or received over the Rogers network will apply, unless you subscribe to a data plan, which we highly recommend. Roaming charges apply while using your iPhone outside Canada. U.S. data roaming on iPhone Packages is $3/MB. The standard international data roaming rate applies. Visit rogers.com/roaming for our roaming rates and destinations. Data usage is measured in KB rounded to the next full KB.​

I Bolded the important part. They are enabling it no matter what. They could flag your SIM as no data, but instead they would rather try and screw you for more money
 
You fail at consumerism.

As much as we all want this device, I think the lesson here is clear: you're basically a retard if you sign a contract with this company. I get my home cable and internet from them, as well as my home phone, and consumer rape aside: I have had nothing but horrid experiences with this company.

The last time I moved, Rogers failed to properly transfer my account to my new address. Instead, some moron in their customer service department, created a new account at my new address and failed to cancel the account at my old address.

Then another customer support person, incorrectly assigned the disconnection order for my old address to my new address. So basically they came and hooked up my cable the day I moved, and then came and disconnected the day afterward.

It got even worse. They had trouble provisioning my old phone number for the new location, and some kind of crazy problem with their system prevented them from hooking up my phone line for three weeks after I moved. I have NO land line. I was using Skype over the internet for everything. it was a pain in the ass.

Then they gave me "free phone service for 8 months" to compensate me. Except of course, I saw one credit on my bill for one month, and then proceeded to get billed normally after that. So despite being promised 8 months, I got 1 month free.

As for my cable service, they gave me the month free, and promised me 8 months of all the specialty channels and HD service. Thanks! Except, once again I saw one credit on my bill, and then proceeded to get double-billed every month there after. Yes, I had a specialty pack they were charging me like $39 for... and then they were separately billing me like $49 for the ALL speciality channel package completely redundantly. This went unnoticed by me for months. Mainly because I was just too upset to deal with them, I gave them my credit card and they put me on automated billing.

And whatever happened to that old account they forgot to shut off at my old address? Well it got disconnected for nonpayment. And they somehow managed to send a collection agency looking for me... I owed them like $600 apparently.

Then I got on the phone with some senior Rogers rep who told me she couldn't do anything about it. I argued on the phone for about 45 minutes, trying to explain to her my previous horrors with their company, which she admittedly was able to reconcile from the CS records they had with me. But she claimed that there was nothing she could do about my old account, and that it was ultimately my responsibility to close it (my responsibility? I TRANSFERRED my services to a new address... I wasn't even aware I had a NEW account).

Anyways, fed up with dealing with the *******s, I offered to give her my credit card # immediately, pay the $600 that I didn't owe, and have her cancel ALL of my services with Rogers effective immediately, along with a threat to go to the media with the story.

She put me on hold for about 5 minutes, and came back and ultimately agreed to forgive the debt that I never owed.

All-in-all I've wasted too many hours of my life with this company.

I have a cellphone with Telus (who's customer service is impeccable), even if their prices--much like Rogers--leave something to be desired. Telus tends to have reasonable CSRs, who actually have a great deal of authority to make customers happy. They also don't make you hold for more than like 20 seconds with their wait time guarantee thing.

I'm not trying to pimp Telus here, but only to make a point: signing ANY sort of contract with Rogers that commits me to doing business with them for any period of time is a nightmarish thought for me.

Overpriced plan? Less minutes? Higher roaming charges? (I have fairly cheap North America roaming and calling with Telus -- and I travel quite a bit), Less data? (I have unlimited data on my Blackberry for $30), and having to deal with rude, arrogant CSRs? Sign me the f*ck up!
 
Just saw this (new?) page, linked from the bottom of the iphone rates page as "terms & conditions"):

<http://www.rogers.com/cms/html/iphone_vpterms.shtml>

Early cancellation fee: minimum of $1100. Jesus H Christ.

Actually, hang on a minute. Here is the full text from that page:

>An Early Cancellation Fee (EECF) applies if, for any reason, your
>service is terminated prior to the end of the service agreement. The ECF
>is the greater of (ii) $1100 or (iii) $220 per month remaining in the
>service agreement, to a maximum of 400 (plus applicable taxes), and
>applies on each line in the plan that is terminated.

So, if you cancel the contract the day after signing it, the penalty is $220 * 36 months = $7920.

The intent here is dubious, though; I don't understand the latter bit of the last sentence. A maximum of 400 what? Months? That's 33 years.

Also, where is article "(i)" in that list?

Am I reading this right?

-b
400 dollars. Do you work for Telus or Bell? What does 400 plus applicable taxes mean to you?
 
400 dollars. Do you work for Telus or Bell? What does 400 plus applicable taxes mean to you?

Well, to any English speaker, that doesn't make any sense. Re-read what you quoted. The greater of ($1100) or ($220/month remaining to a max of $400)? The second phrase would always evaluate to less than the first ($1100 is greater than $400). Furthermore, such an interpretation would imply "$220/month for 1.818 months", which is patently bizarre.

-b
 
Well, to any English speaker, that doesn't make any sense. Re-read what you quoted. The greater of ($1100) or ($220/month remaining to a max of $400)? The second phrase would always evaluate to less than the first ($1100 is greater than $400). Furthermore, such an interpretation would imply "$220/month for 1.818 months", which is patently bizarre.

-b

I think in the other plans it's usually $20/month penalty per month up to a maximum of $400 so maybe that's where the confusion arises. It wouldn't surprise me to see them make that $4000 or something ridiculous.
 
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